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Auto templates

No, there is no thorough discussion about depreciation of these templates. What I'd eventually like to see is a tidy-up of Category:Conversion templates. There is so much redundancy in the category. If you want to convert inches to millimetres, for example, there are four different templates you could use.

{{auto in|18}} gives "18 in (457 mm)"
{{in to mm|18}} gives "18 inches (460 mm)"
{{unit in|18}} gives "18 inches (460 mm)"
{{convert|18|in}} gives "18 inches (460 mm)"

It just makes sense to me to have everything moved to a smaller set of templates. JЇѦρ 16:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I completely understand what you're trying to do and definitely agree with your ultimate goal. Consistency is very important to me. I'd want to see a standard convert template for horsepower that mimics {{auto hp}}. Roguegeek (talk) 18:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

{{Convert}} can mimic {{auto hp}}.

{{convert|100|hp|abbr=on}} gives "100 hp (75 kW)"
{{convert|100|hp|1|abbr=on}} gives "100 hp (74.6 kW)"

It can also do some things {{auto hp}} can't do. E.g.

{| class="wikitable" table align="left" style="margin-left: 1em"
|+ HQ powertrains
! style="background:#E8F4F8;" rowspan=2| Engine
! style="background:#E8F4F8;" rowspan=2| Displacement
! style="background:#E8F4F8;" rowspan=2| Compression
! style="background:#E8F4F8;" colspan=2| Power
! style="background:#E8F4F8;" colspan=2| Torque
! style="background:#E8F4F8;" rowspan=2| Transmission
|-
! style="background:#E8F4F8;" | [[Horsepower#Brake horsepower|bhp]] 
! style="background:#E8F4F8;" | [[Watt#Kilowatt|kW]]
! style="background:#E8F4F8;" | [[Foot-pound force|ft·lbf]]
! style="background:#E8F4F8;" | [[Newton metre|N·m]]
|-
| rowspan="2" | 2.84 L ''[[Holden Red motor|Red]]'' [[Straight-6|I6]]
| rowspan="2" | 173 cu in
| Low
| {{convert|112|bhp|disp=table}}
| {{convert|160|lb·ft|disp=table}}
| rowspan="6" | <ul><li>3-speed [[Manual transmission|manual]]</li><li>4-speed [[Manual transmission|manual]]</li><li>3-speed ''Tri-Matic'' [[Automatic transmission|automatic]]</li><li>
|-
| High
| {{convert|118|bhp|disp=table}}
| {{convert|168|lb·ft|disp=table}}
|-
| rowspan="2" | 3.3 L ''[[Holden Red motor|Red]]'' [[Straight-6|I6]]
| rowspan="2" | 202 cu in
| Low
| {{convert|129|bhp|disp=table}}
| {{convert|190|lb·ft|disp=table}}
|-
| High
| {{convert|135|bhp|disp=table}}
| {{convert|194|lb·ft|disp=table}}
|-
| rowspan="2" | 4.2 L [[V8 engine|V8]]
| rowspan="2" | 253 cu in
| Low
| {{convert|174|bhp|disp=table}}
| {{convert|247|lb·ft|disp=table}}
|-
| High
| {{convert|185|bhp|disp=table}}
| {{convert|262|lb·ft|disp=table}}
|-
| 5.0 L [[V8 engine|V8]]
| rowspan="2" | 308 cu in
| 
| {{convert|240|bhp|disp=table}}
| {{convert|315|lb·ft|disp=table}}
| <ul><li>4-speed [[Manual transmission|manual]]</li><li>3-speed ''Tri-Matic'' [[Automatic transmission|automatic]]</li><li>
|}

gives

HQ powertrains
Engine	Displacement	Compression	Power		Torque		Transmission
Engine	Displacement	Compression	bhp	kW	ft·lbf	N·m	Transmission
2.84 L Red I6	173 cu in	Low	112	84	160	220	3-speed manual 4-speed manual 3-speed Tri-Matic automatic
2.84 L Red I6	173 cu in	High	118	88	168	228
3.3 L Red I6	202 cu in	Low	129	96	190	260
3.3 L Red I6	202 cu in	High	135	101	194	263
4.2 L V8	253 cu in	Low	174	130	247	335
4.2 L V8	253 cu in	High	185	138	262	355
5.0 L V8	308 cu in		240	180	315	427	4-speed manual 3-speed Tri-Matic automatic

JЇѦρ 18:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

That's helpful to say the least. Roguegeek (talk) 18:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I added a ton of convert templates to the Honda S2000 page. Please let me know if you see anything funny with the edits. Thanks. Roguegeek (talk) 20:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks fine, though I did notice one thing. {{convert|0.375|hp|kW|0|abbr=on}} was rounding off to the nearest kilowatt (as specified by the zero). I deleted the zero so that it would use {{convert}}'s autorounding then I had second thoughts and deleted the "k" also so it now converts to 280 W. JЇѦρ 00:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

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SWG reversions

Hi RG. Was it really necessary to fully revert Treybien's edits? His/her changing of the date formats was unnecessary but largely harmless, and there were a lot of decent edits mixed in there. The only thing that really needed reverting was his/her linking of month-year dates. Powers ^T 15:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Your right. A day after I made that edit, I knew I probably shouldn't have done it because I do like the edits that editor made. I guess I just hate the fact that it takes time to set those time standards just to have an uninformed (non-malicious) editor reset them. Let's revert my edit and I'll work on the date formats again. Roguegeek (talk) 21:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I'd be happy to help with the date formats. Powers ^T 22:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Please respond to this:

Wikipedia_talk:Templates_for_deletion#Automotive_templates:_Template:Auto_hp_and_others.

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British Bikes

Hi Rich - I am slowly building up and improving images of British bikes on Commons in the category Motorcycles of Britain to support the Wikiproject Motorcycling British motorcycles. It would be great if you can donate any British bike pics - or have the time to add to any of the articles. Thanks Tony (talk) 19:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll definitely look out for any if I can find them. Thanks for your contributions! Roguegeek (talk) 19:22, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

British English but not American English?

So, "Motorcycle" can use the BrEng notice.

But "BMW (motorcycles)" cannot use the AmEng notice.

I am sure there must be a reason why you feel that way. Motorrad-67 (talk) 20:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure I follow. Could you elaborate? Roguegeek (talk) 21:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

O.k., let me try again. You object to using the AmEng notice in one article (and deleted it), but do not object to using the BrEng notice in another article. One article uses American English, the other uses British English. It is o.k. with you to put the notice about British English in the one article, but it is not o.k. with you to put the notice about American English in another.

Why?

I hope my confusion is now clarified. Motorrad-67 (talk) 22:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, I see what you're saying. Both of those templates are nominated for deletion and looks like they are about to be deleted. They simply don't belong on an article page. Check out the deletion process here. Roguegeek (talk)

First issue is that "BMW (motorcycles)" was written in the first edit and the first major edit in BRITISH ENGLISH! It's a shame that U.S. mis-spellers try and force their mis-spellings on others. M-72 (talk) 13:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Next issue is the chaos you have cause to BMW (motorcycles) over your insistence that the company is BMW Motorrad - A subsiduary of the BMW Group. A simple e-mail to the BMW Group shows that this is NOT the case. How do you propose to remedy the chaos that you have caused? What will YOU do to re-link every link that YOU have destroyed?M-72 (talk) 13:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Your tactics puzzle me. Roguegeek (talk) 18:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Not tactics. You create a page about a non-existant subsiduary, change all the links and then complain when things don't go your way. You created the chaos and then demand that others fix the problem that YOU created. You stuffed it - YOU fix it. Pretty simple in my book. Things were pretty good until you invented the BMW Motorrad subsiduary and changed everything. Now that it has been shown that you were wrong you blame everyone else for the chaos caused by your arrogance. Maybe returning things to how they were before you broke it would be a good idea. Oh! An apology would also be good!M-72 (talk) 11:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you forgot about the WP:NPA policy again. Let's see what others think about that. Roguegeek (talk) 23:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Methinks you should review some of your own comments thenM-72 (talk) 02:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Robotech

Hello, I've merged Robotech (film) to Robotech#Live-action film per the notability guidelines for future films since production has not begun and is not guaranteed to. You can add further details about the project's development at this section per the future films department's process. Some examples of this being done include Shantaram (film), Magneto (film), and Logan's Run (2010 film). Let me know if you have any questions! —Erik (talk • contrib) - 21:37, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

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{{Gal to l}} & {{l to gal}}

Hello again. {{Gal to l}} & {{l to gal}} are up for deletion. I've no-wikied the transclusions in your archive. JIMp_talk·cont 17:43, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Yeah, those templates should definitely be deleted IMO. Roguegeek (talk) 18:00, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the support. {{L to gal}} is now gone (speedied). It should only be a matter of time till {{gal to l}} is gone too. JIMp_talk·cont 18:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

SWG Criticism revisions and balance

It appears that you have removed a fair amount of detail while trying to establish balance in the criticism of the SWG. It is my feeling that at least some of this removed material is "significant views that have been published by reliable sources", and were cited.

I would suggest you revert and try to apply spot changes to the wording to remove bias (such as for the "4 months" portion) without actually removing items of historical or ongoing interest relating to SWG. The original text is in my opinion mostly balanced, and some of your edits could simply be applied within the framework of topics within the Criticism section, which could also be expanded to include "reception" as you have done.

Could you discuss this in more detail, or can we work together on an edit based on the pre June 26 version? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danhiel (talk • contribs) 06:38, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

We've been discussing this at Talk:Star_Wars_Galaxies#Controversies.21.3F. Please join the discussion there, but a full revert is probably not propable considering there's been discussion on revising this section like this already. Discuss there so everyone can see it. Roguegeek (talk) 07:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Minor edits

This is not a Minor edit. Please only mark minor edits as such.24.68.69.90 (talk) 18:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe I know you. Thanks anyway. Saul Douglas Whitby (talk) 21:57, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

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Top Gear (Australian TV series)

Instead of making snide comments, how about trying to edit it so that it doesn't look like it's full of rubbish? The tag that tags it as a possible advertisment is put back.--293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 12:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

As it should be. How about instead of assuming I removed the tag, you check the page history and assume good faith? roguegeek (talk·cont) 14:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Opps, you're right. I did a blind revert without seeing everything you changed in the edit. roguegeek (talk·cont) 18:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment

Over on Bull-Doser's talk page. I looked a little further into the Kia vehicles category, and it does in fact seem that more than one Kia vehicle page is described this way. I don't like it aesthetically -- and it is not applied consistently -- but a pattern does emerge. Vehicles with one name, so far as I could tell, apparently are sold under just one name. My guess is this is not consistent across Automobiles articles on Wikipedia, but I also don't want to leap to any conclusions about what that should mean here. Do you know if there has been any decisions on this issue or issues like it in the past? NMS Bill (talk) 00:19, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, to me, it's kind of a non-issue. Almost all automobile articles that have vehicles in different countries with different names work like this. The article should be called Kia Borrego. Kia Mohave should just be a re-direct to the Borrego article. Look at Daewoo Lacetti, for instance. Chevrolet Lacetti forwards to this article as well due to a different name in a different country. Articles like this would also start with an opening statement such as:

"The Kia Borrego (also known as the Kia Mohave in South Korea) is..."

Again, it's kind of a non-issue. I'd just put a request into Wikipedia:Requested moves to get it back to the way it is. Bull-Doser is kind of notorious around here for making these kind of moves (along with so many other questionable decisions) without discussion from other editors. Let me know if you need help with something. roguegeek (talk·cont) 01:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, it looks like Doser did respond to my original request, and has moved the article title. However, I had come around more to the thinking of User:PrinceGloria who had argued it should stay Mohave/Borrego. PG pointed me to the WP:CAR conventions guide, which does favor the name in the original market -- which I assume would be be Mohave, not Borrego. Anyway, I guess I am going to stay out of it for now, but I thought I'd update you since you had shown interest. Cheers. NMS Bill (talk) 16:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Camaro

Works great for me. --Leivick (talk) 00:29, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I just didn't want to disconnect the info from the 2010 section since it's 2010 specific. Yes, I know that's the only model year that's going to be made available for a while, but something about disconnecting that info seemed wrong to me. I don't know. Any feedback is always appreciated. roguegeek (talk·cont) 00:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

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Resolution

Given our total agreement here, d'you think you might update (or at least tone down) your comment here? —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 14:18, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to retract the thing entirely. roguegeek (talk·cont) 16:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I've reworked the convention text to permit explicitly the use of either convert or auto templates, but I've run into one unresolved issue with {{convert}}. It does not seem able to provide compliant output when converting engine displacement from litres. It'll give "cu in" or it'll give "CID", but it will not give in³, as it seems. Perhaps I'm not aware of the correct syntax? So far I've tried {{convert|3.7|L|CID}}, {{convert|3.7|L|CID|abbr=on}}, {{convert|3.7|L|in3}}, {{convert|3.7|L|in3|abbr=on}}, {{convert|3.7|L|cuin|abbr=on}}, and {{convert|3.7|L|cuin}}, without success. —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 17:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Let's throw a request over at Template talk:Convert and see what they come up with. roguegeek (talk·cont) 18:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Motor Press Guild

Hi Rougegeek, I have deleted Motor Press Guild under speedy deletion criteria A7. Let me know if you think you can make an indication of importance for the group. Marasmusine (talk) 11:25, 27 September 2008 (UTC)