User talk:Melissaloddo

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Hello, Melissaloddo, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of your recent edits did not conform to Wikipedia's verifiability policy, and may have been removed. Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations verified in reliable, reputable print or online sources or in other reliable media. Always provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. Wikipedia also has a related policy against including original research in articles.

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WP:COI may also be informative. Mutt Lunker (talk) 18:44, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Matt

Thank you for sending me links. I tried editing again and included an academic citation and my changes were deleted again. I don't know what to do now. Is there any chance you'd be free for a quick chat today? There is a historic building and site in Maida Vale that I have references for and I really want to add information about it. I've looked at the information you sent me and it appears as if correctly cited edits are acceptable. Is it possible me change was deleted incorrectly?

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Many thanks

Melissa Melissaloddo (talk) 08:34, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Melissa, I didn't delete your latest edit but moved it to the body of the article. Per my edit summary, the WP:LEAD is "a summary of (an article's) most important contents", so if it isn't discussed in the contents, it should not appear in the lede at all and it if is in the contents, should only be present in the lede if it is a highly significant aspect of the article. I hope that helps. Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:35, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In regard to COI, on seeing your edits yesterday, they had the appearance of being well-intentioned but evidently promotional in nature. Any involvement in the marketing of the institute, whether paid or not, ought to be disclosed and other editors can take that into account for any proposed changes you make. Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:51, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

December 2022[edit]

Hello Melissaloddo. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Melissaloddo. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Melissaloddo|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. 331dot (talk) 08:44, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am not being paid directly or indirectly for my edits. I have lived in Maida Vale and been a student a student of Iyengar Yoga for 20 years and have practised at the histoic centre opened by BKS Iyengar in London since I've lived in the area. I am new to Wikipedia and am trying to learn the ropes. Iyengar Yoga London is a charity and I want to support it. The centre is a historic site - both due to its importance in Yoga history and architecturally. Melissaloddo (talk) 08:59, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please let me know if I am permitted to make further edits? Many thanks Melissaloddo (talk) 09:00, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your answer. I understand you are not paid, but you do have a conflict of interest. As such, you should propose edits on the article talk page; the best way to do that is in the form of an edit request(click for instructions). I think that the main issue with your edit is that you are attempting to place it in the lead of the article- the lead should only be summarizing the most important points of the main article text. It seems doubtful that this specific business, even if historic in some way, should be discussed in the lead of the article about an entire area of London. However, if you can make a case that it should be, please do on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 09:04, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your feedback! Would it be appropriate to add a sub-section on the page? Melissaloddo (talk) 09:41, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's fine. If you mark the subsection as an edit request, it will greatly increase the chances it will be seen and discussed. 331dot (talk) 09:43, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm Netherzone. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Maida Vale have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 21:12, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The content is objectively clearly cited with academic sources and a professional periodical. I am a local and I practice at the centre. I can get someone else to post on my behalf but I don't know how it can be argued that it is not relevant.

I'm happy to find someone else to make the edit - is that how things are managed?

It would be a shame not to have genuinely valuable and accurate information on the page about Maida Vale.

Thanks, Melissaloddo (talk) 21:23, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You may discuss on the talk page as you have been doing. Note that not everything that is "valuable" and "accurate" is valid Wikipedia content. That's what the discussion process is for, to arrive at a consensus. 331dot (talk) 21:31, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks 331dot that makes complete sense. Thanks also Netherzone. I'm new round here and it is quite daunting to work out how things are done. My first Wiki experience is proving very interesting and I trust that the discussion process will produce the best result.

Will someone go ahead and disapprove my suggested edit or add it to the page once a consensus is reached Melissaloddo (talk) 21:38, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@331dot sorry ignore - must be a pain instructing newbies. I'll google Melissaloddo (talk) 21:39, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A link to a book sales site is not a source. Please make the effort to become more familiar with the guidelines and policies of WP before moving forward so quickly. There is a lot to learn about the encyclopedia and how things work here. WP is not the correct venue to "support" or advocate for anything, charities included. Please use social media for that. 331dot's is providing sage advise tp please use the edit request system to suggest edits to articles with which you have a direct connection. I also wanted to mention that it really does take a long time to learn how things operate here - I've been around for years and I still learn new things every day. It will help you to not get frustrated if you slow down; it may take a while for editors to get back to your edit requests. We are all volunteers here. Netherzone (talk) 21:42, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Netherzone I will take your advice on the slowing down and the researching Melissaloddo (talk) 21:44, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Melissaloddo, are you absolutely certain that you have not participated in marketing activities, strategic planning or consultation for IYIMA/Iyengar Yoga London Maida Vale? Please be truthful. Netherzone (talk) 18:27, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Above and at the talk page of Maida Vale and B.K.S. Iyengar I indicated that I have reason to believe a WP:COI but, on the assumption of good faith, that I'd rather give the editor the opportunity to disclose this themself. I could, though, provide documentary evidence to the affirmative. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:11, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]