User talk:Leahtwosaints/Archive 16

Thanks

Hi Leah,

Thanks for checking my user page. I have not put anything there because I do not want to get more deeply involved with Wikipedia; I'm sure there are many people out there who find a NPOV a myth, and I have zero respect for publication as a guide to truth. So, with my personality, I now limit myself to correcting the worst of the spelling, usage, and style errors that litter Wikipedia.

In particular, I try to see that articles in English are written so that non-native speakers have an easier time with them. For example, native speakers have no problem with the grammar in the previous sentence, but changing "articles in English are written" to "articles written in English are composed" is helpful for non-native speakers. Msml (talk) 05:03, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: Lou Reed

While Lou Reed discography does not have it, some discographies, such as Bruce Springsteen discography, have a "Guest appearances" or similar section that lists appearances on tribute albums, other peoples' albums, etc. If you start such a section for Reed, you could list Sweet Relief: A Benefit for Victoria Williams in it. Wasted Time R (talk) 10:24, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

General references for Skip Battin and other articles

Greetings, Leahtwosaints. I've restored the References section that you deleted from the Skip Battin article, and explained why at Talk:Skip Battin#Place references here. Also, about a month ago you seemed to be raising a question on my talk page about this type of thing, at User talk:Mudwater#Notes and other things. I replied there at the time, but I'm not sure if you saw that. The short version of the story is that references to articles can either be footnotes, or references listed at the end of the article but not in footnote form, or both. Footnotes are better, but either way is okay. However as you have correctly pointed out the references should generally not be listed in a section called External links. Please take a look at what I wrote about all this on the Skip Battin talk page and also on my talk page. I'd be happy to discuss this with you further -- either here or on my talk page would be fine, whichever you prefer. Thanks! — Mudwater ^(Talk) 17:46, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Re:Would this help?

Not sure exactly how it would look with two columns - can you give an example article? It sounds like it might be a good idea though. We have a graph on the members' page - it might be the best place for it there. Possibly it might be overkill on the main page? Bretonbanquet (talk) 13:36, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Interior decorating

If you want to change the color in the collapse box, you need to add something like this:

bg=#FF0000

to the {{collapse top tag. I've changed yours to red and yellow.... you may want to change that! An RGB color chart will give you the codes, or you can mix them yourself. They have hexidecimal values going from 00 to FF (256) and it's additive, so Red + Green = Yellow, etc. rather than subtractive if you were mixing paint.

I'll add the user boxes etc. Catfish Jim & the soapdish 13:25, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi Leah, I tried to place the uploaded photos box into a collapse tag, but it cleared the text to beyond the user box. You may not be able to see this on your monitor, but looking at your user page, there is a massive gap under the Photos of musicians header. That's why I reverted that.

Also the way you have the gallery set up, with rows of four photos in black and white followed by a row in colour, followed by a row in black and white, etc., gets broken by monitor resolutions... for example, my display has your gallery in rows of three, which kind of ruins the aesthetics slightly :(

A colour chart for the RGB codes I mentioned above can be found here Catfish Jim & the soapdish 12:57, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Amanda F

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Used one of your Roger McGuinn photos

Hi Leah! Just wanted to let you know that I've used this modern photo of Roger McGuinn, which you recently sourced, in the main Byrds article. It's located right at the end of the article. I think I'm right in saying that this photo is not being used anywhere else on Wikipedia, so I thought I'd let you know that I had used it in case you wanted to contact the photo's author to let them know that their work is on Wikipedia.

I see that the Thin Lizzy article has passed its GA review. I took a look at it about a week ago and decided that despite a few small problems, it was basically ready for a GA review. Myself, I've never actually conducted a review of somebody else's article but I decided that the Thin Lizzy article would be a good one to start with. Unfortunately, before I could initiate my GA review, Jezhotwells reviewed it himself. Anyway, just wanted to let you know. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 11:10, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!!

Thanks for the shiny thing! Much appreciated. I thought it went through quite easily in the end, I expected there to be more work required. But I'm very pleased with it, and thanks for your help :D Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:56, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

You're not so lowly! But yes, he really seems like a decent candidate, and we need more sensible admins. I agree some of those questions were just daft, and aimed at catching him out. But he dealt with them really well. I don't think he and I have crossed paths before, but if we have it certainly wasn't negative :) Regarding the ticket pic - perfect for a tour article, and as yet, I don't think Thin Lizzy have any. I'm sure most of them, if not all of them are notable, so that could be another thing to work on! Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:40, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Great pics! Particularly the one of Brian. Let's hope he's a bit happier with this one ;) Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:10, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Re: Technical questions

I asked you a question months ago and wasn't clear, so I didn't really get the answer. SO: When a performer (solo) or a band (collectively) record music on a record label, the infobox and the External links data area reflect that, right? And of course would be included in the discography? So, what if Martie Maguire as a member of the Dixie Chicks is signed to SONY/BMG? Whatever it is, So how could a Dixie Chick say they got their own label: Open Wide? When I see two record labels like that, I wonder if both SONY and BMG are separate and need both to be acknowledged, and what about the Open Wide part(?)

Per this CMT story and this USA Today story from the time, the Chicks got their own label Open Wide Records in 2002 as part of their settlement of a dispute with Sony Corporation. So if a CD they put out says Open Wide Records, that's what the infobox for it should say. Sony BMG was a temporary conglomerate between 2004 and 2008 that can probably be ignored with respect to Chicks infoboxes.

The other burning thought is when I see album and song articles, and people who do session work (as session musician) on other people's albums, and those labels would not appear anywhere but the discography since it isn't her album, right? --Leahtwosaints (talk) 11:00, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

In the old days, session musicians often belonged to labels (think Booker T. & the M.G.'s for Stax, the Funk Brothers for Motown, etc). Nowadays, I think all session musicians are independent contractors and don't have any particular label association. So it makes sense for the infobox for Al Jackson, Jr. to say label Stax, while the one for Kenny Aronoff would does not include that field. Wasted Time R (talk) 04:14, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Kaki King Photo; Anita Baker Birthdate.

Hi. Id like to get in touch with you directly via email on how to change the Kaki King photo immediately. Also; there does not need to be a lot of debate on the Anita Baker birthdate. How do we get that to stay at the correct date. Please contact me with an email address soon, would like to have these handled immediately; do not check wiki often enough to excute here in a timely manner.

-E 22:35, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

(^^^^4 ~'s up there, btw.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Empress Ericka (talk • contribs) 22:35, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

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Photos

Definitely! I mean, photos like that awesome one could go in the individual members' articles - that one could go in Phil Lynott or Scott Gorham and look great. So yes, anything else that you find can be used! Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:12, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

topicons

I noticed your reviewer and rollback icons were superimposed... I've moved them apart and tried to get the wikignome icon away from the edit count buttons... let me know how that looks on your computer. Catfish Jim & the soapdish 22:31, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Heh... glad you like it.

The RfA was placed for all the right reasons (I think)... I regularly come across situations in my usual, day-to-day WP activities in which a mop would be handy. I didn't make any announcements about it, as I didn't like the idea that it could be seen as "canvassing" for !votes. Thanks for the kind words, by the way! Catfish Jim & the soapdish 05:47, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

The words were well-deserved.  :) --Leahtwosaints (talk) 07:26, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

RfA request

Thanks I appreciate you thinking of me, but I'm not familiar with this editor. Looking at the RfA, he will definitely pass (only two objections and one of them is simply over his username), so rest easy. I'm going to try to get back into the swing of editing over the next week or so, but I've been gone for awhile and have several things on my talk that I should address--a lot of it is stupid mistakes of mine that others may have cleaned up in my absence; at the very least, I should give out some thank-yous. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:24, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Ted McKenna

Consider it done... (because it is) Catfish Jim & the soapdish 08:24, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

And done. Catfish Jim & the soapdish 14:13, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Leah, I've had to make some adjustments to my user page this time... thanks for the support... boy am I glad that's over! Catfish Jim & the soapdish 09:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Lizzy

I've been getting so many messages on my talk page lately (mostly stupid ones) that I miss the good ones! OK, Downey/Mendoza/Warwick - awesome. All of those articles could do with a bit of expansion to match the quality photos. The longer the article, the more photos we can put in. Great idea about putting the Robbo/Phil/Scott photo on the discography page, and I agree with getting rid of the Sykes one.

Yes, the Gorham/Lynott one should go on the Gorham page. That's been on my list of things to expand for a while now, and I will get round to it. My source material is all at home though, and it might be a month or so before I can fetch it. Phil and Scott were pretty tight, partly the drug thing I guess, but also because Scott was a great balancing influence in the band, especially when Robbo was there, and later on Scott was a really solid friend in the band when there were a lot of line-up changes etc. Phil and Brian were very close too. But yeah, having a photo of Phil and Scott together is a great idea for Scott's page. I'll have a shot at expanding that part of his article for now, but I'll do a much bigger job when I get my books. Great job! Again! Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:05, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

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Re:Needing your help again, Commons related issue..

As an administrator on Commons, I am able to move files, but it's not something I've done before- take a look at this page which explains the rather simple process and guidelines. Alternatively, if you provide me with a list of old titles and new titles, I can do it for you. However, I am not sure I understand what the problem is with WikiBooks? If they're using it directly from Commons, surely the necessary information still shows on the Commons page? J Milburn (talk) 15:59, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Of course, I will take care of this later today, but I am just heading out now. Don't worry about bothering me- I don't mind being a go-to guy! I hope you're well and feeling better soon. J Milburn (talk) 08:30, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much!! I burned myself bad at the stove today; so it does really distract me from anything that isn't really simple here. I would like to learn to change the file names when I feek better, so this kind of thing doesn't pop up again! The photographer is amazing and has contributed several photos already, but of course, it screws up the attribution when the summary page in Commons says one thing and yet, the actual file name gives yet another name! I think he might even join us in working here and don't want him to decide against it just because of a stupid mistake I made! So, you can see if he was to show his portfolio to someone, and they only saw the file name before even moving on to the summary at Commons, it would be pretty crappy. Thanks for helping quickly from the both of us! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 18:47, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Done, only took a minute. Keep up the good work- I honestly don't mind helping you with this stuff. I fully appreciate how it can seem impossible to deal with the simplest of things, and, obviously, you do great work in this area. J Milburn (talk) 23:08, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Sandra Chapin

There's a few routes you can take when it comes to article deletion. There's speedy deletion, proposed deletion or articles for deletion, but in this case I think a merge into Harry Chapin would be the appropriate action. Tag the articles as outlined in WP:MERGE, give it a week and if a consensus is achieved or it proves uncontroversial, make sure all the relevant information in Sandra Chapin is placed in the destination article and replace the text in Sandra Chapin with #REDIRECT [[Harry Chapin]]

To initiate the merger discussion, place this on Talk:Harry Chapin (add your rationale)...

== Merger proposal ==

I propose that [[Sandra Chapin]] be merged into [[Harry Chapin]]. (GIVE REASON HERE!) ~~~~

Then place this tag at the very top of Talk:Harry Chapin:

{{Merge from|Sandra Chapin|discuss=Talk:Harry Chapin#Merger proposal|date=May 2011}}

And this at the top of Sandra Chapin:

{{Merge to|Harry Chapin|discuss=Talk:Harry Chapin#Merger proposal|date=May 2011}}

Hope that helps, Catfish Jim & the soapdish 09:31, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Re: A whole bunch of Springsteen (and band) photo shots- free images

Leah, thanks for the pointer to this stream ... the trouble is, there's no date or location information on any of them (I went forward and backward). It's clearly from somewhere in the 1975–1978 period, but that's as far as I can conclude so far. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:39, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Out sick (sort of)

I've been ill again and my edits are reflecting that. Sorry. I'm trying to improve both my heath (hospital admission?) and my edits. I may not answer for a time, if so, I'm away due to illness. Thanks. Leahtwosaints (talk) 17:33, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Re:Whew, another problem

I've corrected the spelling in the title, but I'm afraid I don't know what to do about the other issue- ask the photographer? Ask some people who know the Rolling Stones well? If you need the file name changing, I can do that, or you can tag it as per the instructions at Commons:Commons:File renaming. Hope you're feeling better soon! J Milburn (talk) 19:45, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

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Free C&N Images

Hi Leah! Sorry to hear that you're unwell...I hope you start feeling better soon. Those Crosby & Nash photos are pretty interesting but as you yourself point out, they're not the best quality. I guess the obvious place for one of those is in the Crosby & Nash article, but they are inferior to the two pictures currently in the article, so I don't think these newer pics should actually replace any of the existing ones. Still, it would be good to have a semi-recent image of the duo located towards the end of the article. I wonder if there are any better quality C&N photographs taken during the 21st century on Flickr? --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 17:46, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

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Of course, not everyone agrees: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 May 29#Category:Left handed musicians

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John Coltrane picture removed; need new one

hey!

A picture depicting John Coltrane has been removed, see also [1]; I tried to overturn it, but without success. However, User:Slowking4 gave a link to loc.gov, see [2], on Talk:John Coltrane. I assume you are an expert in respect of pictures, copyright, etc., so you might help to upload one of those pictures, if this is allowed? You know I don't know much about pictures since you met me =D, but you might upload it. Thank you very much. Regards.--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫T 17:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

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A brownie for your health! Hopefully you will be hale soon. Get well soon!--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫T 13:39, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

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Phil Lynott

Yes, Phil's article is high on my list of expansion projects. It needs more work on his career outside Lizzy, all his production work etc. I still haven't managed to get home to fetch my books (300 miles!), but I will soon. His and Scott's article are the ones I'm aiming at. Photos for both would be ideal, and the one you've just added of the young Phil is great! I think bio articles need older photos as a comparison - everyone knows what Phil looked like while Thin Lizzy were huge, but that early photo gives great balance. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:31, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Eric Bell again

Great photo! I've popped that one in the Thin Lizzy section at the moment, but it can obviously be moved elsewhere later if necessary, when I write more. I would like to do an equipment section, but guitars and stuff are much less my strong point. I should be able to find something though. I want to expand the rest of it too a bit, if I can, mainly the Lizzy section - at least another paragraph or two. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:09, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I always enjoy your efforts! I did know about Eric's showband past, and I put a little bit in his article about it. But he tends to skip over that period in interviews so it's hard to expand that info very much, but I'm always on the look-out! I spy Wilgar Campbell on that list too - I can use that ref in those articles :o) Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Dave Bartholomew

Hi Leah, I've been busy for the last week or so with work and judo tournaments... I'll get on to the photo soon. Catfish Jim (ex-soapdish) 17:46, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

TO ALL WHO WISH TO CONTACT ME

I AM NOT WELL, AND AM CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE COMPUTER ACCESS FOR THE MAJORITY OF TIME THESE DAYS. I AM STILL AROUND, BUT IF MY ANSWERS AND APPRECIATION RE: CONTACT ARE STILL UNANSWERED, THAT IS WHY. I'LL BE ABLE TO EDIT A FEW THINGS IN THE NEXT WEEK: MOSTLY SPOTTY APPEARANCES HERE AND THERE. THANKS FOR UNDERSTANDING. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 00:00, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Get well soon :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I hope you're feeling better soon. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, all of you!! It's nice to hear such things. I'm home now (might be back and forth, but still here in a slightly more limited capacity. I've been uploading a bunch of photos needed. :) --Leahtwosaints (talk) 15:21, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

A good thing about being sick, or recovering from being sick, is sometimes it means more computer time. The bad things ... well, you know.

Re: Bobby Tench photo. I don't know how to remove the watermark on photos. I also rarely move photos from Wikipedia to the Commons. I don't remember anything about it. There might be some special tools to help with those moves. --Timeshifter (talk) 21:01, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Hope you feel better than ever, soon! All the best, Agadant (talk) 21:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Hope all is well soon!!!Moxy (talk) 06:05, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I wish you all the very best!--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫_{Share–a–Power}^{[citation needed]} 11:16, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I add my well wishes to you for a quick recovery, Leah. LadyofShalott 22:29, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi

No, no other reason! ;) I just hoped you were doing ok. I saw the Gorham photo - great stuff - I have my books with me now so hopefully soon I'll get on with adding a bit to his article, then we can move the photos around afterwards if we like. Good to see you back :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:10, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Reply to your message

Glad you're doing okay. I had actually just stopped by to say "Hi" and tell you I'd have more time starting in a month or so, to help with articles that you had suggested to me some time ago. I think Rory Gallagher was one. I'll let you know when the time comes and you can direct me to ones most needing help then. All the best for a full recovery! Agadant (talk) 00:14, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll be looking up information on them, whenever I get a chance. I will stay fairly busy through the summer and should be ready to edit more by September. Looking forward to it! Agadant (talk) 03:06, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Leah - Sent you an email about some questions I had about the Jeff Beck article before I work on it more. Hope you're feeling well. Agadant (talk) 20:20, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Me again! Did you get a chance to check it out yet? Hope you're feeling okay - better now...Agadant (talk) 19:03, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi again and thanks for your message. I'm still in for lending some help on the articles suggested, but still have some upcoming events and other issues to take care of first. Will be ready to put in some concentrated effort come September. Hope you're doing well as can be! All the best, Agadant (talk) 17:55, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

BobbyTench photo

Hi, I have tried to replace the I took and placed on Bobbys Page. As you know the whole issue of applying images on Wikipedia is needlessly complicated and I have observed over a couple of years their rules are harsh and often destructive.

My attempted reoplcement is adjusted as you suggest and tag removed. I a not a pro photographer and inexperienced with photoshop. As you may know still images for this artist which are in the public domain are very rare.

I wish they monitored page content on Wikipedia as scrupuosly as they do with images! By the way, I like the images on you page, any chance of taking one of Bobby?

Thanks for your help, further tips always accepted , you a pro and me not! --Flyingstrat (talk) 10:15, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply and help, I appear to have suceeded in changing the image, with the adjustments you suggested.

Where are you based? --Flyingstrat (talk) 16:19, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

The Byrds GA

Hi Leah! Just dropping you a quick line to say that The Byrds article passed its GA review the other day, so thank you ever so much for all your help with sourcing images. I couldn't have done it without you! :-) Here, have a cookie! --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 10:39, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar Leah...it's much appreciated. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 09:54, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Eric Harland

Thanks for the heads up - I removed the Biography section as that seemed the worst of the copyvio. Also left a note on the talk page. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

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Hi (again)

How are you? I've been reading about blues music lately, so--inevitably--I thought of you. I hope all's well. If you want something to do on Wikipedia, you could put your image uploading skills towards cleaning out Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_of_albums. I've been going through the album articles and adding {{reqphoto}} to everything that doesn't have cover art. If you don't want to do that (God knows I don't), then that's fine. This post is really just an excuse to say hi. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:30, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Re:Hi to my Great Pumpkin Friend

hello,

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Dave Bartholomew

Sorry it's taken a while... I'm only visiting here very sporadically at present due to a lot of real life going on, but hopefully this is what you were after:

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Music

Sure I would be more than happy to help out. As long as the score is available I can create an electronic version of it. I have no musical abilities really but I can transcribe from sheet music to an electronic version. Just curious but are you talking about PD music or short clips for fair use? Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 14:44, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Sure I can do that as well. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 23:22, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Just to make sure I have it clear. You would like some clips for the various Cat Stevens album articles and perhaps another for the Cat Stevens article itself? CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 22:28, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

OK. I'm at work now, until midnight, and my hard drive with the music is at home. I'll make a start in the morning. By the way Cream will be easier to do than Cat Stevens as I have more of theirs. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 22:49, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about taking so long but life outside of Wikipedia proved distracting. I finally managed to upload the clips and add them to the articles. See Category:Cream (band) songs. I didn't do any that already had a version by someone else, such as Cross Road Blues, because I wasn't sure if fair use covered that. I'll also add some, such as "N.S.U.", for the songs that don't have their own page and they could go in the album pages. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 10:45, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

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