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Hello World

Thanks for dropping by my talk page. Feel free to reach out and leave a note below. - Indefensible (talk) 18:15, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Zymergen for deletion

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Hatchens (talk) 12:51, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Collaboration topics

Hi Indefensible, Happy New Years! I hope all is well in you neck of the woods. Recently I've researched and wrote a few articles, they are unrelated.

One of the articles is a products and services article for Johnson & Johnson. Linked is my sandbox. Grand'mere Eugene and I talked through the concept, feel free to see our conversation on the talk page. We can include her and continue any further conversation there or on my sandbox talk page. Note: This article has over 100 sources.

Second, I noticed your interest with Technology. The topic article Urban Air Mobility needs work. I spent 6 months reading all the research papers and finding secondary sources to build out a comprehensive, balanced article. Linked is my sandbox. Please note: I will finish the references this week. Let me know if you want me to re ping you when its complete.

Best--Chefmikesf (talk) 21:47, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks User:Chefmikesf, and likewise to you. Will take a look at your 2 drafts linked. - Indefensible (talk) 02:05, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

The J&J list page seems fine although I didn't check every ref. Did you need me to submit for review? - Indefensible (talk) 01:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

It looks like both of you think the J&J draft looks OK, so I'm OK with either of you bringing the article to the main space.--Chefmikesf (talk) 21:50, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Was going to push the article but just noticed you're having an ongoing discussion with Grand'mere Eugene on the draft's talk page, so will hold off for now and defer to her on those updates. - Indefensible (talk) 04:47, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Indefensible How are you? I added some more references to the Urban Air Mobility article where you added the tags. Do you think we can add some more sections of the draft now?--Chefmikesf (talk) 03:19, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Indefensible How are you? I figured you've been busy but wanted to follow up on the Urban air mobility article. Would you be open to merge the rest of the content now or would you be open if a brought in a few other editors to help out updating the article? Best--Chefmikesf (talk) 21:44, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, I will try finishing up this merge soon. - Indefensible (talk) 04:59, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Mobileye

Hi Indefensible, my name's Gideon, nice to meet you. I'm hoping to help update the Mobileye article and have a COI, so I've put up some initial thoughts at Talk:Mobileye in hopes of getting a conversation started. I noticed that you've worked on that article in the past, and that you have an interest in tech and AI (and Teslas...) and thought you might be willing to take a look. Looking forward to discussing further with you, Gideon at Mobileye (talk) 12:58, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi User:Gideon at Mobileye, thanks for reaching out. Will take a look. - Indefensible (talk) 21:19, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Great! Looking forward. Let me know if you have any questions or need anything from me. Gideon at Mobileye (talk) 06:49, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Looked at your update request and saw you were having a discussion with Quetstar, any update on your draft for the article updates? - Indefensible (talk) 21:00, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look. I've put the draft up in my userspace here. Looking forward to your feedback. Gideon at Mobileye (talk) 08:53, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi there Indefensible, hope you are well. The edit request I reached out for previously has been completed, and I'm now hoping to gain some clarity and engage other editors in a discussion regarding the controversy section of the Mobileye article. If you have the time, it would be great if you could take a look and share your thoughts on this at Talk:Mobileye. Thanks! Gideon at Mobileye (talk) 10:56, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Gideon at Mobileye, I took a look but not sure about whether that material should be removed or kept either per the comments on the article's discussion page. - Indefensible (talk) 04:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library

Just received a notification about Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library (https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/), seems like a great service. Kudos to whoever made this. - Indefensible (talk) 00:48, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Two years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:04, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you User:Gerda Arendt, you are among the most precious Wikipedians. - Indefensible (talk) 01:00, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Third Kishida Cabinet for deletion

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Mike Rohsopht (talk) 07:54, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

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20th Politburo of the CCP

Hey. I've added some background content to the article to help it meet GNG in advance of the the final list being announced in roughly 8 hours (announcement is at midday on 23 October, Beijing time). This is a little outside my regular content area, so if you have the time I'd appreciate it greatly if you could proof-read what I've written, and if there's any other sources you know of that may help, add em or send me a list of them? Otherwise, there's probably not much to do until the final list comes out, and to add the relevant content from that. Thanks :) Sideswipe9th (talk) 20:38, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

P.S. Just incase you were wondering where it went, the draft version you started on 18 October was WP:HISTMERGEd into the mainspace article that was created by another editor about 20 hours ago :) Sideswipe9th (talk) 20:40, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate the work. Review & edits ongoing, will update as needed if no one else does. - Indefensible (talk) 20:50, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for the review and your note. - Indefensible (talk) 02:34, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Updating the General Dynamics Wikipedia article

Hi Indefensible, I hope all is well with you. I was just finishing up a F500 article update request and thought of you. Currently the General Dynamics article is pretty messy and out of date. Right now I'm attempting to clean up the Lead, Corporate governance, and Timeline sections. Also, I noticed ESGfan's and created two proposed sections based on his work, Carbon emissions and Company Demographics. Here are the requests. Would you be open to review one or more of the requests in the collapsible talk page request? As always, thanks for any feedback or help in advance. Best --Chefmikesf (talk) 00:45, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi User:Chefmikesf, yes, will take a look. Hope all is well for you too. - Indefensible (talk) 01:42, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

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Citadel Securities

Hi Indefensible. I hope you are doing well. I found your username on the list of editors who are active in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Companies/Participants. I recently posted an edit request on Talk:Citadel_Securities#Internship_program, and because of your interest in companies thought you might be interested in taking a look at the sentences I asked to have added to the Citadel Securities article. I would be much obliged if you could help me out with that. Thanks so much. Cduffymul (talk) 14:51, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi User:Cduffymul, I took a look and it seemed fine so I have added the section you requested. - Indefensible (talk) 19:23, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Indefensible. I don’t think I ever thanked you for adding the Internship program to the "Overview" section of Citadel Securities. In addition, I want to ask if you could think again about my proposal to restructure the article by adding a History section in place of the "Overview" section. The proposal is found here in my user space. Thanks for your consideration once again. Cduffymul (talk) 12:53, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

No problem, let me take a look again. - Indefensible (talk) 23:01, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

This would be a fairly major rewrite of the article structure in my opinion, will take some time before getting to it. - Indefensible (talk) 17:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Indefensible, thank you so much for taking an additional look. Another editor has looked into this as well and approved the change. If you see any issues down the line, please feel free to re-engage. Thanks again! Cduffymul (talk) 20:52, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

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A Well-deserved Barnstar

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Thank you for the barnstar The Bestagon :) - Indefensible (talk) 18:08, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

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I have no idea why this section was added on the page. - Indefensible (talk) 19:43, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda. - Indefensible (talk) 17:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

InMoment AfC

Hi @Indefensible, I recently submitted an AFC for InMoment. Do you have any time to provide feedback or review the draft? —Chefmikesf (talk) 21:00, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Sure, will take a look. - Indefensible (talk) 15:00, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Indefensible--Chefmikesf (talk) 17:24, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Article seems fine, maybe a little promotional but no major problems. - Indefensible (talk) 15:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Ok, were there any particular sentences that stood out as promotional? Happy to clean it up. Also, if I clean it up, are you open to bringing the draft to the Wikipedia main space? Chefmikesf (talk) 20:04, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Not too familiar with the AfC process to be honest, I don't mind taking it out from draftspace though--will review again later. - Indefensible (talk) 06:21, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Indefensible, I appreciate the help.--Chefmikesf (talk) 01:59, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Did minor clean-up on the draft, some of the refs were kind of messy. Will review again later. - Indefensible (talk) 17:54, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Indefensible, just wanted to check in. Do you need me to make any changes before you bring the draft to the main space? --Chefmikesf (talk) 22:15, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

I moved the draft to article space. - Indefensible (talk) 09:25, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Indefensible, I will add a reference to the citation needed tag. Do you think we can remove the banner now?--Best Chefmikesf (talk) 18:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Indefensible, Just wanted to circle back on this. Can we remove the banner now? Chefmikesf (talk) 18:36, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

I think having the banner is fine and will defer to whoever added it on whether they want to remove it. - Indefensible (talk) 23:51, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Accel-KKR‎ comments

I wouldn't take them personally. You're not alone!^[1][2][3][4] --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 21:29, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Some editors may have more deletionist or anti-corporate tendencies. We should just keep calm and carry on. - Indefensible (talk) 23:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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I did not have any recent AfC draft articles rejected, so this message seems inaccurate. - Indefensible (talk) 21:43, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Please ignore it. I'm must have copied it by accident. I saw it come up when I posted the message, but never realised it was from me. I must have picked up the template by mistake. Human error I think. scope_creep^Talk 22:07, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Accel-KKR

If you add clear WP:PROMO content to any article I come across like that again, I'm going to start issuing warnings against you. Its clear promotional editing. scope_creep^Talk 21:40, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

I created a section on the article's talk page to discuss further. - Indefensible (talk) 21:41, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

I posted this on Scope creep's talk page in a relevant section but was reverted:

"Scope creep posted a Teahouse welcome message on my talk page regarding my non-existent AfC draft rejection and wrote "If you add clear WP:PROMO content to any article I come across like that again, I'm going to start issuing warnings against you. Its clear promotional editing. scope_creep^Talk 21:40, 5 July 2023 (UTC)"

The material I re-added had been on the article for a couple years and was from the WSJ and Financial Times which are both considered reliable. The material is relevant fact and not promotional. I believe this may be examples of WP:Edit warring and WP:Harassment. - Indefensible (talk) 22:00, 5 July 2023 (UTC)"

Can I ask User:Liz or other relevant admin to please review Scope creep's recent behavior regarding AfDs? Thank you. - Indefensible (talk) 22:07, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Indefensible,

Sorry but I don't look at my pings and am only seeing this message now. I have already given scope creep's warnings about incivility without it having much effect. I think change would only happen at this point if this discussion goes beyond User talk pages and I have my plate of work full right now. I don't have any magic solution but I am aware of what's going on. I know that response is less than what you were seeking. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:35, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, I think it has improved recently as they got the message after a related ANI discussion. - Indefensible (talk) 02:19, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

For reference, the exchange quoted above was unfortunately removed. The interlocutor appears to be having contentious discussions recently with some others, which may be of relevance in terms of a pattern of repeated behavior.

Also note what I wrote here if needed for additional references. - Indefensible (talk) 05:44, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

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Afds

Hi @Indefensible: I notice you went to !vote at the Alexis Restaurant Afd. I sincerely hope you are not following me around. I've noticed that in the past few weeks you seem to turn up at every Afd's I post and you don't seem to post anywhere else. This has happened to me in the past. I only have one course of action and that is WP:ANI. If your genuinely posting for intellectual discussion, which I don't believe, then fair enough, otherwise I don't expect to see the pattern of you turning up to every Afd I post over the next weeks, otherwise I will need to report you. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 19:47, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

No that is not true, I am just going through the AfD backlog like you are. I am active on ITN too. - Indefensible (talk) 19:49, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Then please ignore it. scope_creep^Talk 19:51, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

You should do a better analysis next time, I think a thorough review would clearly show your guess to have been inaccurate. Also my AfD stats are largely in-line with consensus despite an inclusionist preference to keep articles, so I do have some knowledge of Wikipedia's guidelines contrary to your previous statements. - Indefensible (talk) 19:54, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

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New pages patrol invitation

Hello, Indefensible. The new pages patrol team is currently struggling to keep up with the influx of new articles needing review. We could use a few extra hands to help. I believe that someone with your activity and experience is very likely to meet the guidelines for granting. Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time, but it requires a strong understanding of Wikipedia’s CSD policy and notability guidelines. Kindly read the tutorial before making your decision, and feel free to post on the project talk page with questions. If patrolling new pages is something you'd be willing to help out with, please consider applying here. Thank you for your consideration. We hope to see you around! Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 17:53, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Follow

Based on an above discussion, this is not the first time a concern has been raised for following editors around. I want to assume good faith, but comments like this are about conduct and not the deletion discussion. Makes me wonder your intentions for going to an AfD and make a comment specific about conduct. CNMall41 (talk) 23:40, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Excuse me, you are mistaken. I am simply going through AFD's backlog at random, it should not be unexpected for active reviewers to cross paths. - Indefensible (talk) 23:42, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Based on the order you voted, I'd say not. Again, I want to assume good faith so if you can tell me why you decided to make comments about conduct there instead of ANI or my talk page where it would be appropriate, I may get a better understanding. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure that I understand your analysis, but right now I am reviewing Myung Jae-nam. Before this I reviewed Kalshi, Anchorage Digital, and Dojeon. I believe that your concern is only regarding Anchorage Digital, correct? There is no intentional following per your suspicion, I only happened upon Anchorage Digital by chance among those other reviews just listed. We just had a disagreement across 3 reviews for KumoSpace, LeetCode, and Country Financial in which you voted to delete based on source analysis, of course it should be normal to be surprised to see you voted to keep Anchorage Digital based on a similar review of sources. There is no further intention. - Indefensible (talk) 23:52, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

I am disappointed in this. You will see the Forbes article listed there is exactly what I tried to explain to you in another AfD. This is one from a staff writer (two actually) and not marked with a disclaimer saying Forbes gets a referral fee for buying something from them (like the one you claim is reliable in an attempt to ignore community consensus). I am thinking your "surprise" is more of a misunderstanding of guidelines. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:51, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

You are misunderstanding and reading too far into things in my opinion. I was only surprised that you considered those references acceptable because they contain primary material, so arguably they are not acceptable sources. - Indefensible (talk) 23:54, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

I am reading literally into things. Your comment had nothing to do with your vote. You can either agree or disagree with others and offer your own analysis. Your "surprise" was a direct response to a disagreement which shouldn't spill over on other Wikipedia pages. Also, your willingness to state that you openly disregard a guideline because you disagree with it is disheartening. I hope you start applying the actual guidelines instead of your personal views in these discussions. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:02, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Look, you may be "concerned" about my interpretation (which is in agreement with other editors reviewing those same articles), but I am "concerned" about your argumentative behavior and interrogating others you do not agree with. I am not following you around or attacking your character by questioning your good faith, please extend the same courtesy to others you disagree with. You should understand that you may not always be right even if you think you are interpreting the guidelines correctly. There are some editors with more deletionist inclinations such as yourself and others who are more inclusionist such as myself. Things are very subjective and open to interpretation, that is why there are discussions. But I do not want to continue arguing with you, so please carry on and let me do the same. - Indefensible (talk) 00:07, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Not being argumentative. Trying to understand. But that discussion is over now as you have moved into WP:NPA territory by labeling me a deletionist (also see WP:ASPERSIONS). Voting to delete something I feel does not meet guidelines (based on many discussions I have been involved with over the last 10 years) is not being a deletionst. At this point, if you have an issue with my behavior, please take it to ANI. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:15, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

You misunderstand again, being deletionist or inclusionist are not character attacks. Do you follow AFD pages you vote on so that you can review any new edits? I make a vote and move on. In any case, there was no aspersion cast intentionally on my part, so hopefully we can both just move on to more productive things. - Indefensible (talk) 00:24, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Results: 6/7 of the AFDs mentioned above were aligned with consensus, 1/7 (KumoSpace) was closed with no consensus (but was leaning towards consensus). - Indefensible (talk) 16:38, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Ron Peno

On 14 August 2023, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Ron Peno, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 22:36, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Giora Romm

On 14 August 2023, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Giora Romm, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 22:37, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Zymergen for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Zymergen is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zymergen (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

scope_creep^Talk 09:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

This again? User:Scope_creep how did you find this article? - Indefensible (talk) 15:39, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Result: closed as keep per consensus. As the closing admin wrote, nominators should do a better review before making poor decisions. Also there was no recent editing activity on the article prior to nomination, so the given justification of some watchlist notification seems questionable. - Indefensible (talk) 05:16, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I thought it was dodgy and it obviously not. There was a clear consensus to keep and it will happily stay there until the end of time. Sorry for the hassle. scope_creep^Talk 08:23, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

It was put on my watchlist. I'm not exactly sure how they get onto my watchlist but new articles arrive on my watchlist almost every day. I check them as part of WP:NPP article review. Maybe it is part of that. I'm not exactly sure. scope_creep^Talk

Can you share any sources you may have for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holos (software)? Not having much luck finding sources to support notability. - Indefensible (talk) 15:22, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sherbro Tuckers (2nd nomination)

The article you mentioned at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sherbro Tuckers (2nd nomination) has no relation to the Sherbro Tuckers in Sierra Leone. It is about a family named Tucker who moved from Alabama to Texas in the 1860s. There is no indication in the article why it was tagged #SherbroTuckers. Please feel free to check out the existing citations in the article. In the ten years between Afds, I did not find any substantive coverage in reliable sources. Please let me know if your research turns up any? --Bejnar (talk) 19:51, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

You can nominate it again, I will take another look and really just wanted to reset the clock. - Indefensible (talk) 19:55, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Nancy Buirski

On 3 September 2023, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Nancy Buirski, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Black Kite (talk) 11:13, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

@Black Kite, I think you gave credit on the wrong nomination. - Indefensible (talk) 15:18, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dilshad_Kamaludheen_(2nd_nomination)

Hello Indefensible,

I saw your comments for the 1st Afd nomination for Dilshad Kamaludeen . I would like to invite you to join the discussion for the 2nd time. As you know about dilshad well and since you have participated earlier. he was nominated by the same person 2nd time again - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dilshad Kamaludheen (2nd nomination) - Wikipedia. So , it would be great if you can analyse the wikipedia page. Syed Sadique Hussain (talk) 15:59, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Bill Pinkney (sailor)

On 7 September 2023, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Bill Pinkney (sailor), which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 00:28, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Publish page for Palki Sharma

Hello, will you be able to publish/get help to publish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Palki_Sharma ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:E280:3E19:BD4:F5BB:8145:5A7:433B (talk) 17:28, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I probably cannot help you with this. Recommend submitting it through WP:AFC. - Indefensible (talk) 16:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Berkshire Hathaway GUARD merger

As you may know, the AfD for GUARD has been closed as merge to National Indemnity Company, as you suggested. I have to admit, I'd never heard of NIC before this article and since you seem to be more familiar w/ the companies in question, would you be interested in completing the merge? Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 04:30, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I had not been watching it afterwards to be honest, and maybe doing a merge just created more clean up work. A shabby job could be done by just copying and dumping the content from the GUARD article into the National Indemnity article, then slowly cleaning it up over time later. Quite possible that National Indemnity's article could again be merged into some other article for a larger Berkshire division as well. - Indefensible (talk) 05:14, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

I just added a sentence to the NIC article about the acquisition of GUARD with the appropriate cite. That's really the only notable thing about them. The old article is so poorly sourced, I doubt anyone will care. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 05:56, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

And emboldened by your comment, I just merged the NIC page into the main Berkshire article. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 06:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Oxford Imps (2nd nomination)

Hi Indefensible, do you have access to those two reviews of The Oxford Imps in The Scotsman, the ones you posted in the AfD discussion (they are behind a registration/subscription wall and I can't access them myself). I'm wondering if they are long enough to be added to the article, it may persuade me to withdraw the Afd if they are more than brief mentions. Sionk (talk) 12:28, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

I think merge is the right move, both reviews are pretty short from what I can see:

"COMEDY, THE OXFORD IMPS, C CENTRAL (Venue 54) ***

THE Oxford Imps bound on to the stage in matching T-shirts and wholesome smiles and hurl themselves around to a blast of thrashy rock music.

A student improvisation group with bags of energy and tons of ideas, they create a show from scratch, using audience suggestions. They successfully mime a man being late for work because he was attacked by dolphins and show a character mopping up an oil stain with his granny.

It's a simple show format, more like a game than a performance, but one that draws the audience in and throws up lots of laughs.

The Oxford Imps have cleverly suggested their show would be suitable for teenagers, and younger audience members enjoy the knockabout energy and the chance to yell out suggestions. They also ignore catcalls inviting them to perform "in the style of a porn movie".

In addition, The Imps are putting on improvisation workshops for children and adults. After seeing how much fun they had on stage, I was quite tempted to join one.

Word count: 185

Copyright Scotsman Publications Aug 20, 2004"

and

"THE OXFORD IMPS **

C CENTRAL, CARLTON HOTEL (VENUE 54)

IMPROV shows are never the same twice. But what to expect here is six charmingly nerdy students from the prestigious university performing with charmingly nerdy earnestness.

It is difficult for the troupe to keep its energy on the sane side of mania, however, and beyond there annoyance lies. Harmless but forgettable.

Until 29 August. Today 4.55pm

Word count: 67

Copyright Scotsman Publications Aug 9, 2005"

- Indefensible (talk) 15:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Hassan Golestaneh

Back in July, you voted to keep Hassan Golestaneh in a deletion challenge. Someone has again noimated it for deletion. Since we were to two who really looked at the sources before, I thought I would see if you have time to check on this challenge. I see several features from the main media outlet in Iran, so really don't understand the challege (the same person had gone after around five Iranian articles according to another editor). Not my article; I am just not a deletionst. Rublamb (talk) 19:35, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. - Indefensible (talk) 19:46, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello

Was wondering if you'd be interested in swapping power user knowledge.

I'm assuming you've picked up some wiki tricks and techniques over the years.

I find sharing methods and tool tips increases productivity and options.

If you are interested, let me know.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   15:19, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the note and reaching out, appreciate you doing that. Open to any recommendations you have, but honestly doubt that I have much worth sharing over the years since I am not a super heavy user and just focus on what interests me. Been a little disappointed actually by Wikipedia and I think spending excessive amounts of time on here is not the most productive either, but recently I am becoming more interested with some of the other projects such as Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc. Certainly Wikipedia is by far the most popular of the Wikimedia projects, but others may be underutilized and more integration could be done across projects, so that is where I may spend more time in the future. - Indefensible (talk) 04:42, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

So, you're talking about the need for something to help in general. A tool that would help you get up to speed on other projects sounds like what you will be needing. I use something like that, to delve into various areas of the Web and related skills...

perplexity.ai

It's perplexity.ai.

It looks a lot like google, but don't let that throw you off. It's not a search box, but a "prompt box". You can type just about anything in there. Search terms, questions, commands, instructions, text you want it to work on, programming code, etc.

It's touted as an AI search engine with a chatbot interface, but it's capable of a whole lot more.

It receives and answers communications in type-written natural language, and it is actually several AIs woven together.

At its core, is GPT-3.5 (4 if you upgrade), the same large language model that powers ChatGPT.

But, it avoids most of the problems with chatbot "hallucinations" by being required to formulate its answers primarily from the pages listed in its search results, which it generates after every prompt.

It's not suitable for writing WP articles, yet, because of potential derivative work copyright issues. But as an AI assistant, it excels. It can track down sources and present them in citation template format, it can analyze and make recommendations on AfDs, etc., etc., etc.

I've been using it as my primary search engine and general assistant since last February. Now I use conventional search engines for auxiliary support only.

Perplexity.ai provides 3 main benefits:

1. It formulates its responses to your queries/requests/commands primarily out of the webpages listed in the search results, and combines them into a coherent response to your "prompt" (whatever you type in or copy/paste into the box). In that way, it allows you to home in on the answer without having to read or skim the pages yourself, which is a major time saver. It provides references so that you can verify the answers (which is a good idea, until you get used to its ideosyncrasies). It might help to think of it more as a genie than as a search engine, because you can ask or request a wide range of things, and it is surprisingly effective. Though not perfect. Like a genie, it can get too literal with its wish granting. But you can always ask again in another way.
2. You can type at it in natural language (in pretty much any language you know), and get it to do all kinds of things: create tables, reformat tables, write programs in over a dozen programming languages (I had it write a userscript yesterday), present its responses in MediaWiki wiki text in a code block, write an essay from scratch, rewrite an essay you've written, translate from one language to another, check grammar, crack jokes, make a list of the best whatever on the Web, summarize a specific book, movie, or wikipedia article, etc. You are basically limited only by your imagination. I had it run a D&D game session, and it wasn't half bad. And it gets seemingly pretty creative when you ask it to analyze the current world situation as if it was Ben Franklin or Albert Einstein, and so on. Concerning projects, such as Wikimedia projects, it can teach you what you need to know about them. Using it, you can suss out their essence and their secrets pretty quickly once you get good at it.
3. It remembers your prompts, and its responses at least 10 back, and refers to them to retain context in your dialog. So, if you say something like "explain it again, in terms a 5th-grader would understand", it usually guesses correctly as to what the "it" is that you are referring to. If you had it write a summary, you could refer to "that summary you wrote for me". Therefore you can work iteratively on a piece of work with it, such as a letter or a computer program that it changes to your specifications with each prompt. And so on.

The most impressive thing about this technology, is that it is advancing rapidly. This thing gets better almost every week. And this team and all their competitors are working on entirely new versions. So, in 6 months to a year from now, the next generation of these will blow the current ones away. If you get up to speed on this one, you'll be ready for the next leap.

Tip: you can have it tell you all about itself, so you know how to use it. Asking about how to use ChatGPT is even better, because it basically has the same capabilities (both being powered by GPT-3.5, or 4), and there is a lot more material out there on the Web about ChatGPT. The general support info on perplexity around the Web is growing too, so that's useful to have it report to you about from time to time.

The thing can summarize the day's or week's news, boil down an ongoing situation (like a war, or climate change), and can suggest steps in a plan for almost any project you can conceive of, such as whatever you want to achieve on the Wikimedia projects. You can feed it an article and ask it what is missing.

In a very short amount of time, you will figure out how to make it do things I never dreamed of, and I would be very interested in reading about those.

Just click on the link provided, and start typing away.

It will even help you write prompts for it, if you ask it to.

I'll be around if you get stuck.

Good luck, have fun, and when you are ready to learn about, or apply perplexity upon, other tools, let me know.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   06:48, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the recommendation. Just to check but you do not have any COI with them, right? I have not found generative AI to be that useful yet, but maybe I should give it another try. - Indefensible (talk) 22:29, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Nope, I'm just a user. I rely on this thing heavily. Generative AI serviced by out of date training data sets, leave something to be desired. This application is comprised of a combination of AIs and other components. There's a:

1. NLP that parses your input and presents it to the
2. AI search engine, that pulls the best 6 finds across the web and returns
3. the complete web pages for
4. GPT-3.5 to process the web pages according to your instructions in the prompt
5. Tacked on is a simultaneous image search, though I don't know if that is AI-powered
6. A reinforcement module in which user input becomes part of a data set that improves its answers over time.

If your results are meh, then we might need to look at your prompts. I could provide some tips in that department.

Have fun,    — The Transhumanist   23:11, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

WP:OTS

I'm in the process of revamping Wikipedia:Tools/Optimum tool set.

It includes perplexity.ai and a bunch of others.

You might find some of them useful.

Enjoy. Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   09:02, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, good stuff. - Indefensible (talk) 22:15, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

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