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Request for you to look over the reviews template for an article

The article is Middle of Nowhere (album). I just overhauled it and the formatting of the references for the reviews, and I'd like you to make sure the formatting was up to par. IntoThinAir (talk) 03:05, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

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Metacritic Critic reviews

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You have changed the url of Metacritic for many articles, withdrawing <</critic-reviews>> at the end of urls for [1] and [2] and [3]. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia; wiki doesn't show the opinions of fans who post on this type of site to counterbalance the professionnal reviews. As you did that on purpose many times, this is not an accident, I firmly ask you to never do this again. You've been warned. Woovee (talk) 18:55, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

In these edits I'm simply following my typical practice of referencing an album's Metacritic score using the album's primary page on Metacritic (this is the default page that one is redirected to when searching for an album or clicking on an album on an artist's page on the Metacritic site); this is primarily on the basis that I've observed this to be the norm for most album articles I've come across over the years (in fact, this is even followed on the documentation page for the album ratings template itself), and hence I didn't think this would be particularly contentious. I've certainly never done this with the intent of balancing professional reviews with user reviews—which I'm very much aware aren't reputable for referencing, per WP:USERG among other policies—as seems to be insinuated here (and I'm not understanding why that's being insinuated to begin with—in none of these edits am I adding any mentions of Metacritic user reviews or ratings to the body of an article). If your personal stylistic preference as an editor is to cite the "Critic Reviews" sub-page accessible from an album's primary page instead of the primary page itself, then I don't really mind—the Metacritic score is mentioned on both pages so either would work. But I've seen no guideline or formal discussion to indicate that the mere presence of user reviews or ratings—which, again, aren't even being added or alluded to in the concerned articles in the first place—is enough to make an entire page of otherwise professionally generated content unacceptable for use as a reference; otherwise, reputable sources such as AllMusic review pages or archived review pages from the old Rolling Stone website, both of which have sections for user reviews and ratings, would likewise be deemed unacceptable to cite. Adding "opinions of fans" to articles is against site guidelines, true; I fail to see how citing a Metacritic page for the sole purpose of verifying a Metacritic critic aggregate score is tantamount to that at all. Holiday56 (talk) 16:44, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Access to sources

Hi, just had a quick question for you... I notice you've been changing things like review titles to those actually used in the NME and the like at the time (something I should have done when I added many of those reviews in the first place, but I was new to Wikipedia and still learning the ropes). So obviously you have access to those original sources, and I wondered where you were getting them from – the British Library (I'm a member, so that's where I got them from), or do you have access to some online source with scans of all these old music magazines? Richard3120 (talk) 22:53, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, there – while I don't have access to a source that hosts archives of all the old UK publications in one place, I've managed to cite from articles in these publications via different online sources – particularly the World Radio History website (which has archived issues of Record Mirror, among other publications) and Flickr (where quite a number of old issues of Record Mirror, NME [issues from the 1980s, at least], and the like can be found). That's not entirely comprehensive (in certain cases I've had to trawl through more niche sources like fansites to find old articles), but I've definitely found those two sources especially helpful. Cheers, Holiday56 (talk) 07:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

That's interesting – I'm familiar with World Radio History and its extensive Record Mirror collection, of course, and there are a couple of almost complete Smash Hits archives online as well. But I didn't realise NME and others were available on Flickr... I'll have to look into that. Thanks for replying. Richard3120 (talk) 15:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

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Removing reviews

Good day! I noticed and was unpleasantly surprised that you removed the several reviews I added and replace it by yours. I think that it would be more polite and respectful to my contribution to transfer excerpts from the reviews to the text of the articles than simply delete it.

Incomplete list of articles:

• Cloudland (album)‎;
• Absolute Torch and Twang;
• Sonic Temple;
• Raw Like Sushi;
• The Seeds of Love;
• On Fire (Galaxie 500 album).

Hi – this is noted. Just for some explanation, when making my edits I had MOS:ALBUM in mind – which recommends a limit of ten review sources in the ratings box, and also notes that one should consider the notability of a review source when selecting sources to use (in that sense, prominent music publications like Mojo, NME, Q, and Uncut – all of which have much third-party coverage to establish their notability, as well as a history of numerous notable contributors – struck me as more notable than Hi-Fi News & Record Review, which by comparison seems to have attracted far less independent coverage [also, outside of MOS:ALBUM, I additionally took into consideration that its non-standard <letter><*>:<number><*> rating system would likely be difficult for the average reader to readily comprehend, compared to a more conventional system that uses letters, numbers, or stars in a simple manner]). I certainly didn't mean any disrespect, and if any was perceived, my apologies. On incorporating review excerpts into the prose instead: assuming they can be adequately worked into the prose, that sounds reasonable; I'll keep such an approach in mind to consider in the future. All the best, Holiday56 (talk) 15:30, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, apology accepted. I restored my deleted reviews in prose. Vasyatka1 (talk) 11:37, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

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