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Golf in Wales

Yeah I started Southerndown Golf Club the other night. If you look on google maps golf clubs are an important part of the landscape especially around city rims. We ought to have hundreds of golf club articles.. BTW I am preparing Llantwit Major for GA. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:37, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Lawrence Quinlivan Bulger

Dear FruitMonkey - The article on Lawrence Bulger again has two different birthdates, each appearing in two places. The 1875 date does appear in a number of secondary online sources, but there is no reference to any of these in the Wikipedia article, and I don't know which, if any, is reliable. The 1870 date is confirmed in two independent transcriptions of primary sources at familysearch.org (the footnoted one from the register and the other at [1] from the contemporary index). If the 1875 date of birth and the 1887 date of his appearance in the Leinster Schools Cup are correct, he was only around 12 years old then, which is most unlikely. His age is 31 in the 1901 census, 41 in the 1911 census and 58 in the English death index for 1928 Q1, all suggesting that the 1870 date is correct and the 1875 date incorrect.

There should also be some evidence of his age in the TCD records if you have access to them.

I have been looking without success for a record of the marriage of Lawrence's parents and would be very grateful if you could give me any information as to where and when they married.

Can you please ensure consistency of birthdate throughout the article and add as much documentation as possible for whichever date is correct? Pwaldron (talk) 16:20, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

New article Golf in Wales

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DYK for Johnny Basham

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William Absalom of Abercarn RFC?

The Rugby union in Wales article mentions a William Absalom of Abercarn RFC being lost to the league game Is there any details about this player? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 11:33, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

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My editing

• Triple Crown (rugby union). What a result! What a try! We can do it... another Grand Slam. Surely we can beat France at home.

Apologies for my editing mistake: I did not appreciate the dating criterium. I was so pleased to be up-dating the article by recording the win, and adjusting the Irish dominance over the page.

The article has since been vandalised a few times... the last was late yesterday, and in my enthusiasm to "undo", I made far more work for myself than I had bargained for... it was too late at night. I have it all corrected now.

• Cardiff Arms Park. I have been working on the Rugby section and wondered if you approve of my editing. With best wishes, Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 11:22, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Just a line to thank you for your two postings yesterday.

Good advice which I shall follow, although I have always been "a bit of a scrapper", and enjoy an infrequent arguement.

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 12:57, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

A line to gloat about our third Grand Slam in eight years. I am so proud of our boys, and our excellent coaches... but why, in heavens, we have not overtaken England in the IRB world rankings defeats me. All the best, Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 10:24, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

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George Bennet

Do you have any information about George Bennet, e.g. where did he play his club rugby union in Wales? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 16:57, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I've added a query about a potential birthplace of Forden near Welshpool in Powys (historically Montgomeryshire) to Talk:George Bennet, however I don't whether it's correct birth registration, but would having been born in Forden, give an indication of playing for a particular team? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 18:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

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Dennis Brown

Would you have any information about Dennis Brown? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 10:39, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

The Journal of Sir Walter Scott

Too kind; but there's a question that arises from my linking to John Guthrie Tait. W E K Anderson (another of the Journal's editors) refers to his predecessor John Guthrie Tait's "untimely death", yet your man died at 84. Is it possible that there's two John Guthrie Taits? These names that run in the family can cause a world of trouble. Of course Anderson could just have meant that Tait died before completing his edition. --Antiquary (talk) 18:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Rugby Union 1934 Championship edit summary ... "See user talk page" ... does not apply to you

See this person re: some of the Five Nations articles... the figures! We have left notes on his talk page, but as it's just an IP address, we don't expect much response... reverting his changes. See my talk page [=Strange rugby edits=]. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 10:15, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

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Feb 2012

Hmm. 'Twas the rugby season, so I doubt anything much else did happen! Deb (talk) 21:06, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm a bit doubtful about the Monmouth thing myself - I've never met another wikipedian in the flesh (as far as I know) and I probably wouldn't be considering it if it was outside the principality. Deb (talk) 11:06, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Sammy Mandell

Hi. I see that the Sammy Mandel article needed to be moved to the correct title of Sammy Mandell. This is just to let you know that I have proposed a different way of doing it: temporarily delete Sammy Mandell under CSD G6, then perform a clean page move. My rationale is to preserve the page history, as detailed at WP:CUTPASTE. Hope this looks good to you; if not you can contest the speedy nomination. Thanks. – Wdchk (talk) 01:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

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First Monmouth Meetup on Saturday

Just a quick reminder about m:Meetup/Monmouth/1 on Saturday, as requested. Cheers, --RexxS (talk) 23:15, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

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Pontypool Kit

Hi FruitMonkey. I've managed to cannibalise some exsisting kits and have created a Pontypool shirt, sleeves and socks. Do you know how I'd now get them onto the Pontypool RFC page? Thanks Shenko316 (talk) 16:42, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

I think I've done it! Would appreciate your experienced thoughts though! Thanks Shenko316 (talk) 16:52, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

The article: Wales

Hello Fruit Monkey,

I am copying 'n' pasting this from my talk page. I thought that you might be interested.

Your warning for Onepebble

Hi. I stumbled across your warning on Onepebble's talk page when I was checking some of his/her edits in Huggle. But the user's edit to Wales doesn't look like vandalism. Why do you think that it is? --Krenair ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:57, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Suggest you take a look at the previous Edit summary by a fellow WikiProject Wales editor, FruitMonkey -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 11:02, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

"The images were placed in that order to prevent clumping and white space. Reverting."

Not sure how that is relevant. Onepebble's edit still doesn't seem like vandalism, even if it does cause "clumping and whitespace". It seems to be a good faith effort to improve the article, so not vandalism. --Krenair ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:13, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Not so. First ask yourself, why did he attempt the revision?

One has to assume that he was first reading the article.

What was wrong with its layout? – Nothing!

Then why did he go to Edit?

After his alterations, did he have a look to see the results? And did he then undo his editing? – Clearly not, unless he approved of his mess-up of the article, in which case, it is a form of vandalism in my book.

If you read my warning to him carefully, you will notice that I modified the template's message considerably and softened it to be constructive rather than confrontational. Regards, -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 16:06, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

• I wonder why Krenair is so interested, and if Onepebble has even seen my warning on his talk page.

All the best, -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 16:06, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Marine Management Organisation

Thanks for the advice.

I have amended the line to say the UK's seas.

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Distance of Newport from London

Hi there. There is a debate running at Talk:Newport in which you might have an interest. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:19, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Any views? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:05, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

W. E. Jones?

Could you please have a look at the William Lewis Thomas talk page, regarding a W. E. Jones?. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 15:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

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Thomas

Hi, I see you have removed a reference from the Dylan Thomas article. Are you suggesting that The Observer newspaper is not a solid source? I am curious. Thank you Span (talk) 20:09, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

FM, you seem to be taking my editing quite personally. I didn't change the reference because I 'hate online cites' but because a DT fanpage wouldn't get through a GA review. I've added a lot of online cites. There seems to be a somewhat combative air to your changes, which seems a shame. I think it can be a great thing to have three committed people working to improve an article. I have no axe to grind, no agenda other than wanting the article to be the best it can be. I very much appreciate the work of Martin and yourself. Best wishes Span (talk) 09:08, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Some of us can't afford axes, or even grindstones, and have to make do with blunt hatchets. I was just searching Google for comparable images of Davies which might help us date or locate the current lead image, which was uploaded by your good self, (e.g. "Thomas in London in 1946" etc), as there is apparently no date or location given at the source. Although it's quite a good image, there seem to some from the same studio session that might be stronger and less blurred. In fact Google turns up quite a few images that are much clearer and more striking. But maybe they can't be argued for fair use? Any views? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:07, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi there 'Fruiters. Do you think File:Alfred Janes - Dylan Thomas.jpg could be used in the article, or maybe at the "Cultural depictions" article? Alfred Janes article mentions The Kardomah Gang. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:37, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

You are doing a great job. I wondered at the sentence "Later biographies are critical of Brinnin's view, especially his coverage of Thomas' death, which David Thomas in Fatal Neglect: Who Killed Dylan Thomas? claims that Brinnin was culpable in." It might be best to say what Brinnin was culpable of, perhaps breaking it into two sentences. I'm not quite sure what it means. Thanks Span (talk) 20:57, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

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Have added to the chronology. Do you need any more? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:30, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

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Seems like a good idea to me. Perhaps best to consult other people who do a lot of work on the pages, such as User:Picapica. Deb (talk) 21:00, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks SilkTork, for the wonderful endorsment. ...but, I love being a contributor. I worry enough how my updates will be recieved by my peers, and admin seems a stretch too far. FruitMonkey (talk) 23:44, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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SilkTork, I'm back. And I've uploaded a file of Thomas reading "and death shall have no dominion" from the sample you found. Will you have a listen and tell me what you think. I've never uploaded a file recording before, and although he sounds like he's reading from a bath tub, it may be better than nothing. Cheers, FruitMonkey (talk) 16:12, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I'm reading through the books I've got from the library. I've glanced now and then at the article and it's developing well. I think that it should pass criteria without too much extra editing. I'm having a thought about the balance between comprehensive (which is a FA criteria) and broad coverage (a GA criteria). I should be ready soon to make a decision regarding referencing and coverage in a day or two. I may do a bit of tidying to bring it into line, but as I say I think not much - if anything - may be needed. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 14:36, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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Dylan Thomas

This user helped promote Dylan Thomas to good article status.

Good work. Keep it up! SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 20:50, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

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		For good works on Welsh topics. SilkTork ✔Tea time 21:05, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Have a Writer's Barnstar - you deserve it. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 21:05, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Llongyfarchiadau / Congratulations. Great work on the Dylan Thomas article. Thank you. Daicaregos (talk) 07:20, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar and all the hard work. Please do feel free to use the online references; they are a great resource. Best wishes Span (talk) 10:16, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Joker (comics) review

Hey sorry to tell you this, but the person who nominate it was a sock and was blocked. Now I don't want you effort to go to waste, so could you put it on hold for a month and I would look over it as soon as I can. Just currently I don't have anytime. I will notify you here when I finish reviewing it. Which in reality would be 2 weeks or so. Thanks and sorry that an editor did that, Obtund^Talk 03:20, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

A well deserved barnstar

		The Olympics Paralympics Barnstar
		For your excellent work covering Paralympians I award you the closest thing we have to a Paralympic barnstar - Basement12 (T.C) 04:12, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

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Josef Craig

Firstly again good job writing up the article on Craig, I went to do it and found you'd beaten me to it. I have however knocked together an article on his event, Swimming at the 2012 Summer Paralympics – Men's 400 metre freestyle S7. As I see you haven't yet nominated Craig's article at DYK I'd like to do a double hook with both articles (I'll credit you of course!). Hope that's OK - Basement12 (T.C) 10:26, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks!

Thanks! And cheers for your work on the page too. Well done with the new articles for the athletes as well, I think those are all far more important. (And I had no idea that anyone would have been interested in S Cambs local elections!) Pilchard (talk) 23:05, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Hockey Driscoll

Could you please have a look at Hockey Driscoll, I believe he was a Cardiff RFC footballer of the 19th Century. Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 12:10, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Josef Craig

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