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A barnstar

The Law Enforcement Barnstar I Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. hereby present you, Fergananim with the Law Enforcement Barnstar, for your great contributions to the field of Law Enforcement Articles on Wikipedia. Keep up the good work! Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:59, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

For your fine series of articles on Scott Medal awardees. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 14:59, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Wow, thanks! I've been on Wikipedia for five or six years, edited and created thousands of articles, but this is the first time I've recieved any kind of award! Mhile buicious! I'll keep up the good work! Fergananim (talk) 15:05, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

In that case...

For excellent work on all manner of Irish topics, I award you this Irish Barnstar of National Merit. Wear it with pride. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC))

Very, very well-deserved; you've got an impressive body of edits on Irish subjects. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 15:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

You're very welcome, on both counts. Honestly, I don't know a whole lot about Irish history, but I see your name on articles in the newpage queue all the time, and they're always well-done. Excellent to see someone working on coverage of a more obscure, shall we say, topic of interest. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 15:59, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Looking at your stuff...

... I noticed 1168. Amhlaeibh Mac Innaighneorach, chief ollamh of Ireland in harp-playing, died. (AFM 1168.21 I presume...) Do you know anything more about this guy? I find that the "Chief ollamh" in harp-playing having a name of Norse origin somewhat interesting.

Using your talk page as a sandbox may not be very practical in general, but in this case it made me notice something I otherwise would have missed. Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 12:57, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, I get it - the gaels simply called Olaf Kvåran Amlaib because it resembled a gaelic name, and then it sort of stuck ;) Thanks for your kind words at my talk, and your input on the article talkpage - I'll get back to it later tonight or tomorrow, I agree mostly but there are some issues worth adressing. Finn Rindahl (talk) 16:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Music of Ireland

Thanks for your interesting edits to the above article. I took the liberty of placing them in a new section, as IMHO they don't fit in with the following description of traditional music. I was wondering about the use of italics - I'd suggest leaving them out, also de-link the dates, as this usage seems to be frowned upon now, and will probably be removed by a bot anyway? Keep up the good work... Hohenloh ⁺ 13:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Goddard Henry Orpen

I just created a stub about Eoin MacNeills favourite opponent, but didn't have much to go on. Could you take a look and see if you have something to add? Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 18:19, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Very good start on Ruaidrí, just skimmed it now - I'll look closer later. Keep uo the good work! Finn Rindahl (talk) 19:00, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Early Scandinavian Dublin

Thanks for the compliments. I made the maps myself using Inkscape (a freeware paint program for creating SVG images) and some basic SVG outlines of Ireland. Believe me, making the maps was a very time-consuming and laborious task - more so than the actual research and writing of the article! I used Hogan's Onomasticon Goedelicum, T. M. Charles-Edwards' Early Christian Ireland and Ireland's History in Maps to get the borders between territories as accurate as possible. (Eroica (talk) 19:49, 27 March 2010 (UTC))

re: Amhlaeibh Mac Innaighneorach

Oh, I think you're right, I understand your point. I'm sure I've seen instances in the annals etc. where the names switch back and forth, I just can't find any at the moment to show! I just noticed this GoogleBook snippet about the mentioned poem by Muireadhach Albanach, "Record forms of the name of the addressee suggest Amhalgaidh rather than Amhlaoibh. Ó Corráin and Maguire note that the name Amhalgaidh is 'totally confused' with Amhlaoibh in later medieval sources" [1]. The MS 1467 was possibly written by a member of the MacMhuirich family in the 15th century; it contains numerous genealogies of Scottish families [2]. I suspect you're right about the Hebridean name, though I've noticed that both names have been suggested my particular family (Macaulay_of_Lewis#Uist_MacAulays). I think that the different possibilities and mystery make history interesting.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 07:11, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

re: Bards and harpers

Wooly times for sure. I have this prejudice against harpers and bards, I would normally assume they would be kind of meek. But I saw this funny anecdote of the blind harper Turlough Carolan: In The Complete Works of Turlough O'Carolan Grainne Yeats relates the tale of Carolan and David Murphy (who was harper to Lord Mayo and once played before King Louis XIV of France). Murphy told Carolan that his tunes were like "bones without beef". Carolan thereupon dragged Murphy kicking and screaming through the room. While Murphy screamed Carolan remarked, "Put beef to that air, you puppy." [3] Haha. The word cam is something else I've wondered about. When it's used with people's names. Here's a searchable Irish-English dictionary [4]. It shows cam as 'crooked'; and 'blind' as dall, caoch. One of the heroes of the Lewis Macaulays was a man named Donald Cam; he's described as 'blind in one eye'. But from the definition of cam, and the description of Maol Ruanaidh, it'd seem to me that he was really crossed-eyed (or cross-eyed and blind in an eye)? Lewis tradition has it that Donald Cam lost his eye to a smith who put it out with a poker, but I've read online somewhere that some of his close descendants were known to have 'eye defects', leading at least one person to propose that it might have actually been something genetic. So I wonder if cam, in at least his case, referred to being cross-eyed.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 07:20, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of "Vincent Dillon"

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provincialate

Is that a word? Came across in in William Burke. Best, Finn Rindahl (talk) 18:16, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I just wrote a stub on Caithréim Chellacháin Chaisil. I can't get hold of Ó Corráins article from Ériu (1974), which is irritating, but I added bits and pieces from other sources (which are mainly based on Ó Corráins article). I'd appreciate it if you had a look at it. Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 11:43, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Another editor obviously noticed this post (or the one I made at DD's talk) and sent me the article :) Finn Rindahl (talk) 14:34, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

...and please, do try to add some sort of explanation to external links, like I just did here </nagging> Finn Rindahl (talk) 14:42, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Colm Ó Lochlainn (printer)

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See also sections

Hi, I started rolling back your edits to the See also sections, thinking it was a new editor, but I see you've been around for a while. Is there a reason you want to add all these names to the See alsos, e.g. here? Are they connected apart from sharing a surname? SlimVirgin ^{talk contribs} 06:22, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I've never seen it done before, and I'm not sure it's that good an idea. Some See alsos could end up longer than the articles. :) SlimVirgin ^{talk contribs} 06:40, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

If there's a central page somewhere that lists all the name, e.g. Dugan, perhaps you could link to that in See also. Then people would know where to look at least. SlimVirgin ^{talk contribs} 06:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Colm Ó Lochlainn

Hi, there's already an article on the above. I proposed that they be merged. Hohenloh ⁺ 15:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Colm Ó Lochlainn was both a printer and collector of Irish ballads. The two articles in question are about the same individual. See [5] for example. Hohenloh ⁺ 16:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

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Ciannachta

That's truly excellent and you never cease to amaze me. My own devotion has failed and my new studies permit me much less time at Wikipedia. But sometimes I come to contribute to Lady Gaga (if you follow my occasional edits) because I happen to be in love with that sexy, crazy little Italian New Yorker. (If you don't listen to her already, you should!)

"Related" to the Ciannachta are the Éile, whom I raised from oblivion a few months ago because I was interested in the Carroll family. Byrne seems to agree with whomever that they were actually Laigin but of course their kinship with the Ciannachta is probably fictional. Possibly tales of Ailill Aulom spread north through the Éile.

What you will have to check is the age of the Ciannachta addition to the Eóganachta family tree. I don't have the resources to do that. The Éile are relatively early but then there is their geographical proximity. DinDraithou (talk) 04:35, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

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RfA Nom

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Wikilinking of dates

I see that you are still linking dates despite being asked on numerous occasions to stop it. Just how many times do you have to be asked? I also see that you are requesting adminship, how do you expect to be an admin if you don't follow basic wikipedia guidelines? Snappy (talk) 15:26, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Where have I done it? I was conscious of your advice and thought I was keeping it. Fergananim (talk) 15:32, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

First, I moved your reply here to keep the discussion in one place, please reply here. All the articles that you have been creating still have the dates linking in them, see Darbiled, [6], Richard Daly (actor) and John Browne, 1st Earl of Altamont to name but a few. Snappy (talk) 15:39, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, but that is only a few. Can you give me the rest? Again, I stress that I have always tried to follow your advice and failing to do so has not being deliberate. Fergananim (talk) 15:44, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Only a few! Like James Riabhach Darcy, Ambrose Madden (III), Ambrose Madden (chief), Breasal Madden, John Ó Madadhan, Domhnall Ó Madadhan, Roebuck O'Shaughnessey, Gilla na Naemh Crom Ó Seachnasaigh and Dermott Ó Seachnasaigh, and there is loads more like that, but I don't have time to go through all your contributions. You've been asked by numerous editors on numerous occasions to stop linking dates, each time you have politely responded and agreed to stop doing so, and then you've gone off and kept linking dates. You create numerous articles, yet you appear to value quantity over quality and expect others to clean up after you. If you are serious about going for adminship, then at least you should follow Wikipedia guidelines. Snappy (talk) 17:11, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

When you first contacted me on this subject several months ago, you gave me to understand you meant dates within succession boxes. From then on I studiously avoided doing so, and corrected myself if I inadvertantly did so. So I was puzzled at today's post. So, I checked my recent work, and deduced you must have also meant dates elsewhere in the article. This was not clearly explained to me. Therefore I am in the process of correcting each relevant article. Please in future clearly explain what you mean.

My work tends to be in fairly obscure areas of Irish history and biography. Few others do so. You are probably right that my articles value quantity over quality, but that is where other editors come into play. After all, this is what Wikipedia is all about. If I make mistakes, please inform me, and they will be corrected. You have been the only other person to draw attention to these mistakes, and I have corrected them. As to my nomination, please put your arguments in the approved page, not here. If not granted adminship - a position I did not seek but was gratified to be asked - then I will abide by that, and continue creating articles within my area of interest, in as good a manner as I can. Is mise, Fergananim (talk) 19:11, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I find it somewhat hard to believe that you only understood this to mean in succession boxes but if you had read WP:UNLINKDATES as I posted on you talk page last December then it might have cleared it up for you. On this archive of your talk page User talk:Fergananim/ArchiveVII there are 4 separate requests from 4 separate users about date linking, none of them specifically refer to succession boxes only but to all dates. Still, if you say you misunderstood, I'll accept it and at least you know now what I mean.

I withdraw that remark about quality over quantity, it was uncalled for. You do alot of good work in quiet corner of wikipedia. As your the RfA, I won't participate (unless you keep linking dates!), and will leave it to others to decide if you should be an admin. Snappy (talk) 19:29, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I say what I mean, and mean what I say. My mistakes were not deliberate. I enjoy my work on Wikipedia too much to bother causing trouble, as I find enough of that in the real world. Please feel free to participate in the selection process because the process cannot be certain without pro and con arguments. Fergananim (talk) 19:33, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Skype

You might note that at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to James Riabhach Darcy, also introduced some extraneous text around some numerical characters. This may be due to a combination of your browser and Skype trying to identify and highlight telephone numbers. Thank you.--Rumping (talk) 05:23, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, will fix it! Fergananim (talk) 09:32, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Still happening [7]--Rumping (talk) 11:47, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

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• For the record, I've declined this speedy deletion nomination. (Letting you know here since you contested it) Bradjamesbrown (talk) 12:00, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I've added what I can. Fergananim (talk) 13:52, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Fergananim

Hi Fergananim. I noticed you created a Requests for Adminship page some time ago; I was wondering as to what the status of that request might be. If you are still intent on running for adminship with that RfA, please do let me know; otherwise, I'll go ahead and delete the RfA page for you in about a week or so from today. Regards, FASTILY ^(TALK) 18:03, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Fastily. Yes, I intend to run. Fergananim (talk) 18:05, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Alright then - Could you please answer the questions? Once you've done that, feel free to transclude (i.e. submit for formal review) your RfA at WP:RFA. Regards, FASTILY ^(TALK) 16:27, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Fergananim, I don't mean to hustle you or anything, but as I'm currently in the process of cleaning out idle RfAs, it would be helpful if you could answer the questions and transclude the page. I'll give you say, a week. If you do not reply or do nothing, I will assume that you are no longer interested in running and delete the page accordingly. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Regards, FASTILY ^(TALK) 19:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

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Categories

Hi Fergananim! I noticed you've been busy adding Category:Medieval literature to a whole string of Ireland-related articles, but we already have various subcategories for most of them. When for instance, we have Category:Medieval Irish poets for Cú Chuimne, we are supposed to keep out the parent categories Category:Irish poets and Category:Medieval literature. For an earlier discussion about Category:Medieval Gaels, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 February 17. If the system is unclear to you, please let me know or see WP:Categorisation. Cavila (talk) 16:55, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

• Hi Cavila (what does that name mean?). Thanks for the heads-up, it helps. Are there any other areas I should be mindful? Finally, how would you rate the quality of my edits? All thoughts and advice appreciated! Fergananim (talk) 19:27, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Ah I see you've got an RfA ready to go live. I've never participated in one, but as it can be a harrowing experience for candidates, it might be good to think long and hard about why you need the extra set of tools, whether it won't distract you from more valuable work, and if there's any way you can demonstrate (especially to editors who're not familiar with your work) that you're fit to use them. There will be some who demand a certain amount of experience in admin-related areas, such as dispute resolution. No doubt there's an archive of past RfAs (both successful and failed) available if you like to see some examples. You're an amazingly quick editor and no doubt a valuable colleague at that (!), but to be frank, you also tend to be a tad sloppy and seem to be unaware of some basic guidelines, as shown for instance by the lack of inline citations (please work on that). Then again, it has to be said, you're always ready to take on advice and part of the problem may be that in the silent corner of medieval Irish history, no one has stopped by to report any problem. Cavila (could be interpreted as "one who's splitting hairs", if you catch my drift) (talk) 08:37, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, how do I provoide inline citations? What else can I improve? You are right, I operate on my own too much. Help! Fergananim (talk) 14:05, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I can't blame you for the shortage of editors working in this area! By inline citations I simply mean that per WP:Citing sources#Inline citations, (more) footnotes are required which specify the sources (by page number) used for any facts and opinions that are stated in the article, rather than say, a generic list of references near the bottom of the page. BTW, if during your Rfa you encounter any far-fetched or irrelevant questions, just tell them "that would be an ecumenical matter!" - that's usually how I get around. Take care, Cavila (talk) 15:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: Irish genealogy

I don't think the references are too long. It's good to be able to back up anything you say. So, in my opinion the more sources you can site and link to on Wikipedia the better. It adds clout to the statements you are making. Rowlan (talk) 03:50, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Let's keep this a fun secret...

On my new userpage I say I'm 99% done, which is true, but I've continued to expand a select few articles, including Donnell II O'Donovan and Donnell III O'Donovan. I'm so glad to see that you've created the line of O'Shaughnessy chiefs.

In fact the current O'Donovan chiefly line, through a little inbreeding, do descend from Sir Roger Gilla Dubh Ó Seachnasaigh through his daughter Gylles. At some point the cadet line married a daughter of the senior line before it died out. I will try to find where and then we will be able to say Sir Roger is survived by a present family. Note that through Daniel O'Donovan (MP Baltimore) he is/was survived by the MacFineen Duff O'Sullivans, about whom I know nothing. DinDraithou (talk) 16:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

There is a romantic and apparently rather long History of the O'Donovans written in the early 1800s by the celebrated poet Collins of Myross. It has been used as a source by John O'Donovan, O'Hart and others, but it is still in MS in Dublin, so I have no access to it. I have only followed the numbering in their works, which provide little "Gaelic" detail. The O'Donovan chiefs themselves have been more English than Irish for over two centuries and that has certainly had an influence.

Unless I was dreaming, I actually came across an article on Collins of Myross here at Wikipedia, but I have never been able to find it again. His name is variously spelled of course. I vaguely recall him being mentioned somewhere as belonging to the same Collins sept as the one and only Michael from the same region. They are lesser landed cousins to the O'Donovans, but still recall when they were once the more powerful family in earlier times. Collins' History was inspired by their relationship. DinDraithou (talk) 20:59, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I waited to respond about your research because I didn't want to sound foolish. Now I want to ask, are you looking for the new senior line or is it more a matter of finding any descendants? Is it made difficult by the fact that one O'Shaughnessy submitted to Henry VIII? It seems to me that the O'Shaughnessy today might be any descendant of the last several chiefs of the name who is greatly respected and/or well-to-do. DinDraithou (talk) 16:36, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Joseph, who died in 1783, was the last verified Chief of the Name. However, Bartholomew O'Shaughnessey seems to have been the next chief, IF his genealogy is correct. I am trying to track down Bartholomew, his brother Andrew, and their descendants, but am having limited success. His line of descent is however a matter of debate, and that needs to be examined too. So I'm using him as a starting point, going backwards and forwards in time. Hopefully, I should arrive at some conclusions. None of this, of course, will appear in Wikipedia as it is original research. If it is ever published, THEN it can be included. Fergananim (talk) 16:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

So are you in touch with Sean Murphy about it? You know what he'll say if you don't have absolutely everything together. I disliked his attitude at first but he really is brilliant. Read this new little article if you're not convinced yet. DinDraithou (talk) 02:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I've been aware of Sean Murphy since before he did Irish studies a service by breaking the 'MacCarthy' Mor scandel. I admire his work from a distance, for my own reasons. I take my lead from a different scholar entirely. Nash is one of the few newbloods in the feild but I have not been able to read much of her work yet. My research is purely for vocational reasons. Fergananim (talk) 04:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Re:Maire o Ciaragain

I'm afraid I have no more information. The book I referenced gave only a sentence (one of its many flaws). I wish I could be of more help to you. Google books gave me another source, but I can't access the text. It did say her name is also given as Maria Kerrigan, does that sound familiar? Asarelah (talk) 17:51, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Sure thing. =) Asarelah (talk) 18:15, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ferfananim, I have an article almost prepared to put onto Wikipedia. I believe it may be of interest to you. It's Táin Bó Flidhais. I find the Táin Bó Cuailnge article a little academic for a general reader. Mine is nothing like as academically written and I have just told the story basically (plus a note on local variations) without going into all the different aspects of Ulster cycles tales and sagas etc...) as the Cuailnge version has done. I'm aware there is an article called Flidais (I believe the correct spelling to be Flidhais) but it tells nothing except to briefly describe the person who Flidhais was reported to have been (according to annals etc..). You're a more experienced Wikipedian than I am and I would like to know if you'll have a look at my article before I download if this is possible. I intend to link it to several areas of (particularly) North Mayo (particularly the Kilcommon articles I have created over the past several months and several of which you have added things to do with tribal kings and kingdoms in Ireland pre Anglo Norman times) where many incidences described therein occurred. If not, I'll just put it on myself and try to get it sufficiently referenced etc.... so that I don't get a barrage of notices of all sorts or even get it deleted or something. If you can help, I'd appreciate it. Thanks Comhar (talk) 16:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, would you be so kind as to give us support!

Hello, I hope you're doing fine and I sincerely apologize for this intrusion. I've just read your profile and I understood that you're an Irishman (I wish I can visit your wonderful country some time soon!), so you understand what are a minorized language and culture and maybe I am not bothering you and you will help us... I'm a member of a Catalan association "Amical de la Viquipèdia" which is trying to get some recognition as a Catalan Chapter but this hasn't been approved up to that moment. We would appreciate your support, visible if you stick this on your first page: Wikimedia CAT. Supporting us will be like giving equal opportunity to minorized languages and cultures in the future! Thanks again, wishing you a great summer, take care! Keep on preserving your great culture, country, music and language! Slán agat! Capsot (talk) 20:40, 11 June 2010 (UTC)