User talk:Esowteric/Archives/2008/November

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Safia Shah

Have written a letter to Safia and Ian at their London shop, broadly outlining work on the Shah family articles and providing URLs; enquiring about writing an article about Safia; pointing her to the sandboxed draft article; letting her know what we're still missing (to add to notability); politely asking for help, much appreciated; etc. EricT (talk) 13:48, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Safia200px.jpg

Image Copyright problem

Thank you for uploading Image:Safia200px.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their license and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Molotron (talk) 10:35, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Have added fair use tags, as is low resolution, low quality, black and white portrait, only 200 x 248 pixel, reduced to 84% of size of original, from back cover of Safia Shah's book Afghan Caravan. Photo was taken no later than 1990 and is not replaceable. Wanted an early photo of Safia Shah, as she's now Safia Thomas. EricT (talk) 10:45, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

As she left television in 2000, no free replacement pix have been found. EricT (talk) 10:57, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

~~The image has now been correctly tagged and accepted as fair use.~~ EricT (talk) 12:33, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Eric, the fair use rationale for Safia's image still seems to be disputed, from looking at the page. The thing is that as she is alive, a free image could be produced (an editor could go to London, take a picture of her and upload it). I think in the long run, the fair use rationale is therefore likely to fail. Your best bet is to get Tahir (or an Octagon manager) to send you (and/or the Permissions department) an e-mail permission for use of this picture. I think it is probably best if Tahir sends it to you, and you forward his mail to Permissions, with cc to him so they can check with him if they wish. Cheers, Jayen 466 14:23, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Cheers, Jayen. I'll wait and see if I've got the SEL Shah pic procedure right first (see below). EricT (talk) 14:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Saira Elizabeth Luiza Shah image

Tahir Shah sent me an image of his grandmother, which is here. The image was massive, so I've reduced it to around 25% of the original size. I uploaded it to Wikipedia, not Commons.

I have emailed TS back with a permission request to use the image in the infobox at Saira Elizabeth Luiza Shah under a GFDL licence. He has replied to the email giving full consent, and the email has been forwarded to permissions. Am waiting for an administrator to tag the image as ok before using the image.

I mistakenly forwarded the permission email and image page URL to the commons email address, then re-sent it to the permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org address. Is that right? What happens next? EricT (talk) 12:37, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Eric, given that you have permission from the copyright holder, I think you would be better off uploading this file to Commons. IIRC, uploading to Wikipedia (rather than Commons) makes sense in fair-use cases which will only satisfy requirements for the English-language Wikipedia but might fall foul of requirements in other jurisdictions.

In this specific case, given that you have full permission from the copyright owner, I believe Commons is the right place. What happens in Commons is that at some point after you send in the copyright holder's permission and the permission has been verified, an OTRS volunteer adds the orange OTRS confirmation to the image file. For an example of what this looks like, see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Eye_lashes_with_makeup.jpg

The OTRS process for Commons is described here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS (I think it's the same for en-Wikipedia, but you didn't see me write this and this line of text will self-destruct in two minutes).

In general: persevere, uploading images and figuring out how to satisfy requirements can be a bit tricky. (And being volunteer-staffed, the administrative process at Commons doesn't always work right first time, either.) Cheers, Jayen 466 15:04, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Re the wording of the permission, also note

If you have someone's email permission, forward the email to the OTRS address above. It is best to use an email based on commons:email templates to get the required permission. Permission grants must specifically contain a free license grant and may not merely give permissions for Commons or Wikipedia. (See also m:OTRS/permissions-en-guide)
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Cheers, Jayen 466 15:11, 20 November 2008 (UTC)