User talk:Derek R Bullamore/Archive 25

RinneRadio

Hello! Thank you for the past request for additional citations on the RinneRadio article, which was outdated. I have now updated all the references for verification. Can you please check and remove the request, if everything is alright? I have also edited and extended the content with more up-to-date information. BR, Joonas Kervinen — Preceding unsigned comment added by SoulllJay (talk • contribs) 15:12, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

I have given the article a polish, avoiding excessive wikilinking (particularly of countries) and re-formatting various titles etc. I have not checked whether the sources actually support the text - I will leave that to other editors who may have more of an interest in, and/or knowledge of, this band. I have not removed the citation request tag as the discography is not referenced at all, and there is at least one sentence in the text which needs support - otherwise that might appear to be an editor's personal opinion eg WP:OR. Otherwise, as far as I can see, you have done a pretty good job. Bravo. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:00, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer, all the editing as well as your feedback! I'm just very worried that the tag will stay on the article page for a long time, maybe months or even years until anybody will remove it, because most probably nobody will know what was the problem in the first place and start investigating the matter. And naturally the tag takes a lot away of the reliability of the article... That's why I suggested removing it and if anyone else will find problems with the current references, it could be added again. What do you think? I have re-edited the sentence, which you found problematic in order to fully match the content behind the reference link. I hope it's okay now! Regarding the discography references, that would be such a big effort to do for all the RinneRadio releases that it would easily more than double the work with all the hard-to-find details and is not currently a realistic option in any way. Many thanks and best regards, Joonas — Preceding unsigned comment added by SoulllJay (talk •

Good work. I have added a reference for the albums, from AllMusic, and removed the tag. Best wishes - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:15, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! And maybe in the future we will have all the album details referenced in Wikipedia as well, that would be the next step so thanks for pointing that out, too! Best wishes, Joonas — Preceding unsigned comment added by SoulllJay (talk • —Preceding undated comment added 16:19, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Union Of Knives: New article

Hi there, I've just started a new article for Union of Knives. As you have helped contribute to the Baby Chaos article in the past, could I ask your thoughts on this please? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Union_Of_Knives Many thanks VPeck (talk) 21:00, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

As you have already submitted this for a wider-ranging review, I will restrict my input to improving the referencing and formatting. The only problem I foresee relates to notability. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:32, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks for your help with that - I had run out of steam VPeck (talk) 11:54, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Isla Cameron

Hi Could you take a look at this article's talkpage and let me know there your opinion of what I have said. Aineireland (talk) 22:14, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

@Aineireland: I have replied on the article's talk page. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:40, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Peter Perrett (musician)

A user is playing games with the Peter Perrett article. They’ve moved it to a new page, then created their own article with few refs for someone whose actual name was Pieter! I am unable to correct it myself🙁🙁🙁

I think you are getting confused between Peter Perrett, an English musician and Peter Perret, a Flemish engraver. Two completely different people, hence two separate articles. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:49, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

The editor of the new article should never have moved the existing article from Peter Perrett to Peter Perrett (musician) - there was no need to do that at all, as the new article uses a different spelling and a simple hatnote would have sufficed. Someone could ask an admin to move it back... or doesn't it matter? Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Well, I am not much fussed either way - but I am sure there will be an editing guideline on these matters hidden away somewhere in the Ministry of Sound. Please feel free to ask an admin, if it offends you, or seriously transgresses the said editing whatnot. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:12, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi. The Perrett article shouldn’t have been moved, especially when the other article is just wrong - no refs for an engraver with the name?!

I have just remembered this old login, but am editing using a mobile which is somewhat diifficult. I have moved the other article, but can’t seem to move the original article back. Help much appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbone556 (talk • contribs) 15:38, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

I am pretty sure this will need the attention of an administrator. Try contacting someone from this list of admins for assistance. I would suggest you do not attempt further 'moves' yourself as this is getting to be a real muddle. I am opting out here. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:54, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

It just says an auto confirmed user is required to revert back. The issue is quite simple - the original page was incorrectly moved to create a disam page, despite the new article having both a different first name AND last name.

Possibly - but as I said earlier, I am opting out on this one. You need to ask elsewhere. Just a word to the wise - firstly, you need to sign your talk posts with 4xtildes (~), so everyone knows who is contacting who here, and secondly, some things are really not worth the fight. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:12, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Removing 'need for citations' template?

Hello Derek,

I've been editing the entry for Pascal Gabriel, on which you've posted a 'need for citations' template. I've added several new citations - I'm not sure whether that's enough to remove the template or how many more / what sort are needed, please can you advise?

Also can you advise on getting a new entry listed for Pascal Gabriel's project Stubbleman? I've started making a draft page but I need some help with it!

many thanks!

Trigopie (talk) 18:17, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Trigopie. Well done on adding some references for the Pascal Gabriel article, but truth be told, it does need much more before the template can be removed. In short, each paragraph needs at least one reference to support the text, maybe more, if the sentences within originate from differing sources. Also the 'Selected production credits' section is well short of citations. Logically each line needs a referenced source, whereas only two or three presently have such accreditation. For that section you may be lucky and find that the blue linked articles shown within that section might have a reference, which could be 'copied across'. Otherwise, AllMusic can be a good starting point.

As far as 'Stubbleman' is concerned, I do wonder whether it is notable in its own right. What makes it so distinct from Gabriel to warrant a separate article ? How many sources can you find to support a separate entity ? Without spending much more of my time on this, can not Stubbleman simply be incorporated within Gabriel's own article. I hope this gives you some food for thought. You are probably aware that editing guidelines are available for editors within Wikipedia; but these may warrant you taking a second look.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:03, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Six years!

I enjoyed having the TFA yesterday, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk)

Memory loss

Must be getting old... I have no memory at all of making these changes. Still, I'll get around to working on it... so long as I don't get too distracted by Happy Fanny Fields (or her Four Little Dutchmen), that is... Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:32, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

I am getting old and when I am questioned about some such edits from weeks/months/years ago, some editors seem quite surprised I do not recollect every detail or rationale. Anyhow on a happier note, I do feel there can never be enough Fanny's, happy or otherwise. Go for it ! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:21, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

I have cheekily added copious crap to C. W. Murphy, so I have. Consequently if you hear someone singing "Has Anybody Here Kicked Bully?"; then I rather wish I could be convalescing in the Isle of Man. In Douglas... eating Queenies... leaning against a statue of that gormless Lancastrian... and giving it a little tickle, or two, around the shin.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:48, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Bare link cites

Hi, I don't know if this is an oversight, but you seem to have converted properly formatted cites here to bare URLs [1]. ♟♙ (talk) 15:13, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

A short term measure to achieve the 'final result'. No bare URLs now at Wally Nightingale. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:15, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Assistance with an Article for Creation

Hello Derek!

First of all, my name is Calvin, and I am currently working on my first ever Article for Creation! I come to your talk page to ask for assistance with said AfC, and I found your user page through the history page for the Gravity Kills article. The AfC in question is for Kurt Kerns (Draft:Kurt Kerns) who was one of the founding members of Gravity Kills, so I wanted to reach out to you because you may have seen his name already from editing that page. Additionally, I see that you are a fan of popular music, and Kerns was indeed a popular musician!

The Article for Creation has hit numerous blocks for not passing notability guidelines, and just today the editor that Rejected the draft told me that he was not convinced, and I should try to ask another editor for their opinion. I would love for you to take a look at the page if you have time and let me know what you think! If you look at the draft's talk page, you can see the dialogue I had with the other editor about the AfC meeting the WP:AUTHOR guidelines, and his reasoning for Rejecting. After leaving Gravity Kills, Kerns has gone on to become a notable architect, so I am interested what you think of that perspective.

Any assistance would be much appreciated, and I look forward to receiving your input. Thank you!

Calvin Foss (talk) 20:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Calvin,

I have read the draft article, which you have clearly spent some considerable time and energy in creating. My knowledge of music may be extensive, but I know next to nothing about architects ! However, I must concur with other editors who have passed comment on this case, and state that Kerns simply is not notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. Sorry, but that is my considered opinion.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:01, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your time!

Calvin Foss (talk) 21:08, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Severe Tire Damage

Derek, thanks for your edit there. Let me know if you see particular items that need citations, and I'll look through the 5 cited sources and/or look for others to see if they can be sourced. Dicklyon (talk) 19:15, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

For starters, the whole section marked as 'Other uses' is completely unsourced, as is the band personnel section. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:11, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

I'll work on that. Dicklyon (talk) 23:54, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Band leads

Why do you insist on adding "United States" after the band has been described as "American"? They're usually always in the same sentence and it's essentially redundant. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:37, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Peter Guralnick

Hello Derek. I read a review of Mr. Guralnick's latest book in the Wall Street Journal this morning and, although I've not yet read the book (or any other of his works) was impressed. So I looked him up on Wikipedia and found the template you had placed on his article eight years ago. I added several citations, as well as some updated information (all cited properly I hope.), as have other editors. I can see there are several other paragraphs where citations are necessary, but thought I'd ask you your take on "When can we take down the template box?" Mr. Guralnick is certainly worthy of a BLP. I'm more than willing to keep editing, but wondered if you could let me know how close I am to what you thought the article needs. I'm already the most prolific editor on the page - and I just started this morning! Cleveland Todd (talk) 18:37, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Todd. Much apologies for the delay in replying. I somehow completely missed your original message ! Clearly the article is much the better for your input. So very well done for your efforts. As you pointed out, there remain areas without any citation. If you work from the premise that every statement/sentence needs a source, then that is not a bad starting point. There is also a little repetition regarding Sam Cooke – Legend. In additions, opinions such as 'influential' and 'infamous' need removal. Plus the inline citations, such as for Camp Alton, and in the 'Interviews' section, need properly formatting. In my opinion, the template box should remain for the time being. Come back to me in a month or two if you wish. I will try to be far quicker in responding ! A good effort so far, I must say.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:56, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Brett Marvin and the Thunderbolts

Hi Derek, I have carried out a major flush on this article, one I think you pointed out to me quite a while ago. I bought Larkin 1997 for the rewrite. Could you look at it to see if the 'multiple issues' banner can be removed, and perhaps remove it as this might be major contributor COI for me?

Another one you pointed out to me was Keef Trouble (of which I was a major contributor in my early and less experienced days on the project), and which is heavy on the uncited and tagged as such for 10 years... far too long I think for any article. Looking at this one with disinterest, there seems to be much assumed and erroneous importance only by association with subjects that are notable, with the article actually amounting to a co-written lyric with a notable person. My flushing of of this article could seem too much COI. Is there a review process for me to refer this article for cleanup and notability by others, as we have with draft articles? I'm going through all my early articles, sometimes with embarrassment. Thanks. Acabashi (talk) 16:03, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I completely missed this post first time around. I have removed the 'clean-up' tags on Brett Marvin and the Thunderbolts, having also undertaken a slight polishing of the article. Good job done by you on that one. As far as Keef Trouble is concerned, I would agree that most of the article deals with his associations with those who are more notable. I can not see that you dealing with that article amounts to COI, unless there is some connection from you with Keef that I am unaware of. I say go for it, in a similar manner to the Thunderbolts. I am not aware of any review process as such, although I do tend to shy away from those types of Wiki 'notice boards'. As far as early edits by any editor, they often leave much to be desired. Whatever the merits of that approach, it is part of the learning process for many here - me included. Apologies again for the delay in me replying.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:28, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks for that Derek. I was musically associated with Keith Trussell, and Brett Marvin in the late '70s, the '80s and the '90s, and had personal acquaintance with Jona Lewie, (before becoming a Wikipedia editor). So yes, there will be a COI... it has been, and would be, tricky for me, especially as I was concerned variously with minor to some creative musical input (with the Brett article I have tried to remain scrupulous). This is why I flag-bannered for input by others as I value the project and my rep on Wikipedia above any article.

You appear to use the Larkin (concise Virgin pop music) 1997, which I also have (Jona Lewie seems not in there). I also have the Larkin Virgin Encyclopedia of Popular Music 19th ed. 2002 (Jona Lewie seems not in there)... no mention of "Kitchen" co-authorship in either. Also no mention of co-authorship in Guinness British Hit Singles & Albums 17th ed. 2004 ("Kitchen at Parties" under Terry Dactyl and Jona Lewie). I know that ref books change as time marches on, so the co-authorship might be mentioned in other ref books, and the same ref book of a different date. Your volumes look comprehensive, so can I trouble you to do a quick flick through your library to see if there is any reference to this co-authorship? The co-authorship can be seen on images of the disc later pressings, and is mentioned on some Discogs pages but, as that site accepts public contributions, this could very well not be enough. My personal knowledge is that it was co-authored as such, but that is absolutely not eligible enough for the article. Thanks. Acabashi (talk) 16:14, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

I found this on AllMusic, which is deemed to be a reliable source, and cites Lewie and Trussell as co-writers of 'Kitchen'. That should suffice, although I would readily agree that not all other sources give co-writer credit. I have Volume 2 of The Guinness Encyclopedia of Popular Music (1992), ISBN 1-882267-00-1, (4 volume set, US), page 1470, which has a entry for Jona Lewie and mentions his two hits, but has no songwriter credit for either. This book is not yet listed in my 'Reference Books' section, as it was a fairly recent acquisition, and the very big box it came in (along with other Larkin publications) has not been fully unpacked by me as yet.

Another source, here gives co-writing credits too. I now see your understandable reluctance to edit the Keef Trouble article. I may get around to tackling it, but I am fully engaged elsewhere at the moment - plus the goose is getting fat. Best wishes,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:05, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again Derek. Keef Trouble has survived for 13 years so a little longer won't make much difference. If I were to consider adding to the 2007 original today, with the only available reliable sources, it could only amount to little more than:

Keef Trouble was a percussionist with the bands Brett Marvin and the Thunderbolts and Terry Dactyl and the Dinosaurs. He co-wrote the lyrics to Jona Lewie's 1980 hit You'll Always Find Me in the Kitchen at Parties, and the lyrics and vocals for a 1992 self-produced self-release of the single 'Hello Mum'. [AllMusic ref / Mid Sussex Times ref]

Given this, nowadays I wouldn't even approach adding to such a page, at best then an imperfect stub and, even today could probably be an AFD for non-notability. An edit such as the above would be such a drastic COI change for me to make. The "Kitchen at Parties" referenced collaboration info could possibly, however, be added into the Brett Marvin article, as like some Jona Lewie stuff.

As a music aficionado, here's a bit of minutiae for you that you might, or not, find interesting, and of course absolutely cannot be added as there is no reliable source but my personal knowledge, but does explain the patchy crediting. Lewie found the embryonic words to "Kitchen" when scouting through Trussell's lyric book. He changed a few words and added the last verse, all put to a Lewie tune. When the single came out Trussell was not credited on the disc label but, after this was pointed out, the co-credit was printed in subsequent pressings. This might account for no co-credit in certain listings. Best, Acabashi (talk) 12:16, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

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Tea and Symphony

You amended the category to Folk Music. Really not. All original, not to say unusual. Practically always electric. With a light show (me for a while) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shoi (talk • contribs) 15:47, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Being initially mislead by the description of Tea and Symphony as 'progressive folk' in the opening paragraph, I rather blindly followed on in the categorisation. Having looked further afield, and sought out a couple of sources, I have amended the category accordingly. Clearly they were difficult to accurately define (and obviously obscure, given the lack of information easily available). Thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:25, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Hutch Davie

This might be a step too far.... but, if you're able to exert your wikifying wizardry at Hutch Davie, it would be appreciated. Another editor has added masses of unformatted citations there, which should perhaps all be removed - but, correct formatting would be much better than nothing! Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:15, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

OK, I have done the bulk of it and will finish it off later today. It is a journey to my G.P. for me now (just routine blood tests). - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 10:48, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! I hope that MML1969 acknowledges your help.... Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:30, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

I have now finished the reference 'wikification', as far as I know. I hope that helps. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:56, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I seem to have dissuaded that editor from contributing... he left me a *nice* message on my talk page, which I shall frame... I should really move all that discography stuff to a separate article, or just remove it.... but I'll probably not do either as I really don't care enough!! Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:34, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

You and me both. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

I just noticed that as well as your 'nice commendation' (as above), you have now been addressed as 'homie'. You remember that old adage... "respect your elders" ? Clearly lost in the mists of time nowadays. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 01:45, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm sure you remember.....

... (or maybe not) writing this article back in 2013 (current version here). At the end, the article says that she devoted herself to the Jehovah's Witnesses. That is being queried by "BARE" Bob Eagle, no less, who thinks she was in the Seventh Day Adventists. Can you shed any light on where you got your info from, back then? And if that doesn't win the prize for the most obscure query of 2020... Hope you are keeping well! Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:29, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

I am fine thank you - COVID free, but a few less marbles in my bag. Regarding Annie, I can only assume that it came from the Amazon source, that is now sadly a dead link. AllMusic made reference to Laurie devoting her future to the church, but nothing more specific. I have recently 'acquired' the four volumes of the Guinness Encyclopedia of Popular Music (ISBN 0-85112-939-0). In Volume 2, page 1435, it states "Sometime in the 60s she gave up secular singing and has devoted her voice to the church ever since". If Bob Eagle thinks it was the Seventh Day church, then that's OK by me. It's not as if I am prone to making things up, plus my knowledge of religious sects is rather sketchy. (That's the atheist in me, talking very politely). Incidentally, the four volume set is part of a collection of around twenty weighty tomes, from the same source, that currently sits on the floor in our spare bedroom. Along with the first such large box that arrived months ago. I need storage to rival the British Library to house all this lot ! When I get over the hernia, I will add the details of the additional books to my user page... sometime next year. Regards,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:53, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

There's an updated Amazon link (not allowed here apparently, but if you search for her at Amazon you can find it) - same text, I think. It arose because of a question on a forum about whether any obituary of her was ever published, and I thought not, perhaps because (I said, perhaps wrongly) that Jehovah's Witnesses frowned upon obituaries. Anyway, it can stay as it is until someone comes up with a better source. In the meantime, as you may have noticed, I'm ploughing through the collected oeuvre of Roy Hudd of all people. Funny what back alleys one can get dragged down here... (metaphorically, of course!). Have a good Christmas, so long as you can work out who's allowed to be where, when... Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:35, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

I had begun to wonder where your interest/information for the music hall tradition came from. Roy Hudd always struck me as a good bloke. The sort of chap you would want around your table in a pub (when you were allowed to go to the pub). A good laugh, font of knowledge, fine company. He always seemed to promote the 'out-of-date', but not 'irrelevant', Victorian/Edwardian popular music. Good for him. Three things that I learned along the way was the bizarre/bonkers/risque approach of some of that material. Think dirty blues and The Goon Show. Secondly, how nothing is new under the sun - 'parental guidance needed' indeed. Thirdly, when I joined my local, and now sadly deceased am-dram group, some of these music hall songs popped up all over the place. I remember that I read Hudd's autobiography, Fart in a Colander, a while ago. Highly entertaining.

Season's greetings to you too, old boy. Let's hope the turn of the calendar, brings a better time for most.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 01:45, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

no wp:self published source

Per the discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Archive_46#Piero_Scaruffi_-_Final_Verdict_on_using_him_as_a_source_in_reviews there's a very clear consensus here that Scaruffi is not to be used as a source in music/album articles in any capacity. So please, do not add his opinions anymore. It is a wp:self published source. Since this is a long running dispute, any contributor warned by the situation and who doesn't respect it, would encounter sanctions and could be blocked from editing. Thanks. You've been informed because you used this source here and here. Woovee (talk) 01:58, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

To be clear, I did not add his opinions in either of the cases you mentioned. I merely used Reflinks to bring all of the references in both articles up to Wiki standards. Equally, I was not previously aware of the discussion regarding the validity of the source. I am now, of course, so I will bear that in mind in the future. Thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:34, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Tony Blackburn

Do I remember you saying, at some point, that you have Colin Larkin's Encyclopedia of Popular Music? If you do, could you check the entry for Tony Blackburn, to see what it gives as his birth name? In fact, it should say "Anthony Kenneth Blackburn", but it may miss out the "Anthony" for some reason - and to avoid any undue discussion on the article talk page it may be best to check. Ta much. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:47, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, he is listed as 'Kenneth Blackburn, 29 January 1943, Guildford, Surrey, England.' - As per. It is the same entry, word for word, as appears in the four volume version of the fuller, The Guinness Encyclopedia of Popular Music. Either way, no mention of 'Anthony'. I hope this helps.

Regards, - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:35, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Hmm... thanks. Problem is, it's wrong. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:44, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

COI Edit Request for Songwriter and Poet

Hello User:Derek R Bullamore. I am in a COI/Paid relationship with poet and songwriter Larry Beckett who collaborated with Tim Buckley, and together wrote Song to the Siren. I've been trying to garner some editor attention to review my requested edits on Larry's talk page. But the response has been quite slow. Currently, we are adding some content about his poetry, but I also have additions to his songwriting career. Also, the page is quite poorly structured and needs help. One example is, it would be good to have one Songwriting career section instead of 'Later years' which is also about songwriting and music. Is there any chance you have the time and inclination to help Larry and I get some of these changes made? I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you for your time and consideration, LeepKendall (talk) 00:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi. I think I will decline. The subject matter is outside my usual areas of musical interest. Sorry. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:57, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Katie Cook categorization

I know more and more people are coming out as transgender, but unless you know something the rest of us don't...[2]? --GRuban (talk) 18:48, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Oops... now amended accordingly. Sorry. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:50, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Women singers

Category:20th-century English women singers is a non-diffusing subcategory of Category:20th-century English singers - that is to say an article should appear in both. DuncanHill (talk) 14:55, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

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References improved for Masjid Dharul Ghufran article

Dear Derek,

Someone had added the references for the Masjid Darul Ghufran article. Please check and verify. Thank you. Aravindhan Ravikumar (talk) 14:40, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Why me? However, I have tidied up the references, but a few more are needed to support the four or five sentences that are still not cited. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:56, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Musical instrument articles

I've been watching you work on musical instrument articles, and have tried to follow behind to rescue dead links. Today I thought to ask a question: do you know is there a simple way to select articles such as those listed under the WikiProject musical instruments, and also look for articles needing a reference-improvement tags or no-reference tags? I recently got a copy of Groves New Dictionary of Musical Instruments. It can add first reliable references to many articles, I'm thinking. I just don't don't know an early way to locate the articles that have been tagged. Thanks for your quick cleanups on bare references in the articles. Jacqke (talk) 23:11, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Jacqke. Thanks for the thanks! I have undertaken a lot of work trying to reduce the number of articles sporting bare URLS down the years, and my starting point used to be [Category:All articles with bare URLs for citations]. However, in more recent times, other editors have used that list and it, generally, does not hold many cases. Which is good news, of course, but the number of articles that have bare URLs, compared to those that are tagged and therefore appear on that list, is disproportionate. I have not discovered any methodology in locating those cases, apart from trial and error. My work on musical instruments began when I came across [List of string instruments] and [List of percussion instruments], and then I simply worked alphabetically through the articles. You might explore [Category:Articles lacking sources] or [Category:Articles needing additional references], but I am not aware of anything that would differentiate between categories of articles. You could try asking at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). I hope this helps (the category cases mentioned earlier need two of the single brackets [ and ], ie. [[ ]] to work).

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 09:41, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate your ideas and will explore those. I tend to move into old articles and rewrite rather than go systematically. Your activity has called my attention to several in need of help. Thanks again! Jacqke (talk) 10:29, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Love for sale

Hi! Please review my FA nomination of Love for Sale (Bilal album). The criteria for featured articles is at WP:FACR, in case you aren't familiar and would like to. Happy editing either way! isento (talk) 06:54, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

No thanks - not a process I have any experience in, nor wish to get involved with. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 12:28, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

A whole long list....

Hi Derek. Hope you are well. In case you get short of reflinking work.... I see that BrownHairedGirl has been busy also....! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:07, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello Martin. Yes, I am fine thank you.... but eeek, just what we don't need. You are probably aware that one of the easiest ways (well relatively easy, given the vagrancies thrown up by the bot) to get those bare links corrected, is to run the articles through WP:ReFill. To do that though, you need to erase the {Bare-URL} tag embedded in the bare reference - in other words, to reverse what the other editor is merrily doing. As is alluded to here. I will turn a blind eye for the time being, as I am too busy adding references to articles, rather than chasing bare urls to fix. But thanks for the warning ! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:24, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Vagrancies, lol. Now just run along, my good man. Haven't you got a home to go to?? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:25, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Comma who

I'm way late to the party, judging by your rate of article creations, but please note that your putting ", who" in your article introductions is incorrect grammar. I caught it first at Dan Forshaw's article (your edit is here), and noticed you're doing it in new articles, such as Wesley Wallace, too. There's someone doing it in new football article creations as well, so it's a bit frustrating to have to correct it so often. - Seasider53 (talk) 23:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary

Precious

Seven years!

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"That Crazy Feeling"

Dear sir, I wanted to inform you of the background info you are missing on the song “That Crazy Feeling” which was Kenny ( Kenneth) Rogers first single. It is true that Ray Doggett wrote the song, & he had gotten the song to Kenny’s older brother Leland, who was trying to manage Kenny! Kenny liked the song and wanted to record it. Leland asked Doggett if he knew of a good record producer in the Houston area? Doggett told him that yes he did, Bennie Hess, my dad. Doggett had been on my dad’s record label, Spade Records, as a recording artist, & dad had produced several records on Doggett, which eventually led to Doggett getting signed with Capitol Records. I had talked to Kenny back in 1977 at Fan Fair and he said “oh yes, Bennie produced my record!” In a book on country music, I read that Kenny said that the record sold over a million copies, but that he never saw a dime out of it as The Carlton Record label went under! But he did say that the song got him on American Bandstand, & admitted to it being his 1st regional hit single! I would appreciate it if you add my dad as the record producer over the song! If you have any additional questions, please feel free to contact me! Troy Hess (713) 894-3310 Showay@aol.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Troy Collins Hess (talk • contribs) 23:56, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your message - as you posted here, I will reply at the same place. Whilst I do not doubt a word you say, I must point out that one of the main cornerstones of Wikipedia is the requirement for verification. Follow the blue link and you will see the full explanation of the Wikipedia editing guideline in this respect. In short, it means that any information must be supported by the attachment of a reliable source for each edit. My sole involvement in editing "That Crazy Feeling", was to add the hatnote which states "This article needs additional citations for verification." In other words, I am pointing out to any other editor approaching that article that it is presently short of 'references' as it stands.

One of my go-to sources for information on single releases is 45cat.com - here is the page for that single, but it does not include any record producer accreditation. This, which in any event is not deemed a reliable source, also comes up short in identifying the record's producer. Similarly, no luck here, here and here. If you wish to pursue this further, you would need to examine Wikipedia's criteria for reliability of sources, and then try to find at least one, to back your claims. Regards,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 12:39, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Yvonne Wright

Hi Derek, Perhaps you would help improve my article about Yvonne Wright? Thanks! Design (talk) 01:26, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:49, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Sputnikmusic as a reliable source

Hello. I saw your numerous edits regarding notability of musicians so may I ask you to share your thoughts on this topic? Somehow it still didn't gain any traction. 2.92.125.160 (talk) 18:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Tagging bare URLs as dead-link, an annoying reFill quirk

@Derek R Bullamore: I see that you're working on removing bare urls from Wikipedia articles, however in some cases you are simply exchanging one problem for a worse one (dead links). I see you're using reFill, but you're not always overriding its occasionally poor results.

I was alerted to this situation when I was notified you had made an edit to the Tony Alva article. That edit exchanged three bare urls and tagged them as dead links. However, one was not a dead link at all, and the other two had easily discoverable archived pages at Wayback. I fixed your error (along with some other edits I did at the same time).

The one which was indeed 'live' had pointed to http://www.tonyalva.info/, but if you paste the URL into any web browser you come up with https://www.tonyalva.info/ (https instead of http). If you are using a tool that isn't identifying this simple redirect, then you either need to stop using the tool, get the tool corrected, or pay closer attention to the results the tool is presenting to you. Perhaps you're using an older version of reFill.

The problem with marking them as 'dead link' is that most editors consider that a finality and won't go looking for an archived version. Leaving bare urls on the other hand offers editors some hope that they will actually find the citation alive or archived. Having either in a WP article is non-optimum, but if you're going to do work to fix bare urls, I implore you to finish the job and actually look (if your edit-preview shows you that reFill tagged one as dead).

I also use reFill and have noticed some of its quirks. I cannot condone this usage of reFill (tagging as dead-link items which are not really dead links).

Platonk (talk) 21:59, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Fifteen Year Society

Dear Derek R Bullamore/Archive 25,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Fifteen Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for fifteen years or more. ​

Best regards, SilkTork (talk) 18:55, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Accepted, with thanks. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:00, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Additions of country names

Hi, what I've noticed you doing a lot, especially in band articles, is that you keep adding country names into the lead sentence (e.g. "XY is a Swedish band from Stockholm, Sweden")... its really not necessary and redundant, as a Swedish band will obviously be from Sweden... --FMSky (talk) 16:03, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks.

Good to see you linking all my rot, post-Covid. Hope all is well. Cheers, 66.97.20.206 (talk) 20:18, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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reFill

reFill 2 made some serious errors in filling in a citation at Bobby Fischer. (Perhaps because the article was in Spanish.) I have fixed them, see the edit history. Somebody should be aware that this can happen, either you, or whoever is maintaining that tool. Thanks. Bruce leverett (talk) 18:11, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at User talk:Ppguitar § Some stuff about Wikipedia

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Hi Derick. Since this is about the Peter Parcek article you created earlier this year, perhaps you can help this editor out. He is saying he's the subject of the article and would like some of the information contained therein to be revised. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:41, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

ReFill

This is outrageous. Fixed here. If you can't do what User:Pppery did, don't use the tool at all. It's fundamentally broken, only useful if you also manually fix all the broken edits. I actually spent a lot of time getting the time.com links figured out, only to be wiped in 2 seconds by reFill. You are responsible for the edit. -- GreenC GreenC 05:57, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I am responsible for my edits, however I am not responsible for then losing my broadband connection. This meant I was not able to follow up my initial edit with further ones to rectify matters. I am well aware of the limitations of ReFill - I use it frequently, and spend more time manually amending errors it manufactures, than on almost anything else. It is not my fault that the bot is inadequate, or that Wikipedia actively promotes editors to use it. Also given that User:Pppery and you are such heroes, how come the List of Christian Scientists (religious denomination) article is still littered with bare URLs ? Before You Accuse Me. – Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:23, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Chico Banks

Dear Mr. Bullamore, I just wanted to point out that the photo you have in Chico Banks' Wiki page, is not Chico Banks. It is another Chicago guitarist named Andre Taylor. Not sure how to remedy this but I thought I’d let you know.

Thank you for your continuing work writing bios for obscure but really important artists in the music world. Best, Matthew Skoller

02:54, 7 February 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:2:6D70:E0BB:DCFB:FC09:F232 (talk)

B-Boy Records

Re [3], everything in the article as of, say, [4] was meticulously sourced to the four references there listed (see Talk:B-Boy Records) for some evidence of this), though unfortunately inline cites were not required at the time of its creation. No additional citations are needed, just, i supoose, specific inline ones.

Also the article now says that the label dates from 1987 but had its first release in 1986. 78.18.237.81 (talk) 23:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Reference filling

Many thanks for all your work filling in references. It is greatly appreciated! Jacona (talk) 21:21, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

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ReFill again

Hi Derek

Thank for all your hard work filing bare URL references. It is slow and largely thankless work, but it is much appreciated by me. Since I began systematically tackling bare URLs in June 2021, the number of articles with bare URLs (tagged or untagged) has plummeted from over 470,000 to under 80,000. A lot of that has been achieved by @Citation bot and by tools I wrote to find and tag dead bare URLs, but Citation bot fails on many live URls, which is why your hard work is so valuable.

However, I cam here because for the second time in two days I encountered a nasty glitch in your edits.

As I am sure you know, WP:ReFill is powerful but very buggy. One of its vices is that it can wrongly replace a URL which is redirected to an error page or to root (as a soft 404).

That's what happened in both these cases: [5] and [6]. In each case, ReFill replaced the specific URL with a generic error page, whereas the link should have been tagged with {{dead link}}. I fixed both refs ([7] and [8]), each with a ping to you.

The reason I come here is that I alarmed to find two such glitches so close together. I check very few such edits, and the only reason I spotted these is that they both appeared in Citation bot's contribs on lists submitted by me. When CB edits an article in those batches but doesn't fill a ref, I try to check the page and see whether I can fill the refs. In these cases, there were no refs to fill, so I checked the history and saw your edits, and examined the diffs.

That sort of check by me is a rare occurrence, and I am concerned that two errors in a sample of only two article seems to me to indicate a possible high rate of such errors.

I know that the suite of tools available for ref-filling is poor, and that ReFill is in some ways the best of a bad bunch (see User:BrownHairedGirl/No-reflinks_websites#Reference-filling_tools). However, it does need to be used with great care, because of errors like this.

Personally, I gave up using ReFill entirely, after one unpleasant episode where I spent 25 minutes unscrambling ReFill's errors only to find that I still got an unpleasant bollocking from @Trappist the monk because my edit had failed to add an |archive-date=. All that I had done was accurate, but that bot-fixable omission was grounds for a monstering. To avoid such nonsense, I went back to using WP:Reflinks, which does less and therefore doesn't trigger Trappist's wrath. It's also easier for me to use Reflinks: less done, so less to check.

After that ugly saga, I am particularly wary of appearing to pounce on any editor who improves a ref, even if it leaves more to do. A lot of Wikipedia progress is made by incremental improvements, and unlike Trappist I don't believe that every omission need to be remedied on the first round.

However, actually breaking a ref is serious. It can't easily be spotted, and if noticed it can be fixed only by time-consuming use of WP:WikiBlame to hunt down the original URL.

So, tedious as it is, please please can you take more care to check ReFill's output? I know that this can be very laborious, especially when many refs are filled (as in the examples above, each with 12 refs filled), but there are ways of making it less painful: e.g. when I used ReFill, I began to simply skip any page with more than about 4 bare URLs unless I was at my mid-morning caffeinated peak of energy and alertness, because otherwise it's so damn easy to miss some of Refill's brain-farts. Or sometimes I used Reflinks first, since its more limited scope

I see that similar problems have been raised above, e.g. by @Platonk, Bruce leverett, and GreenC, with varying degrees of bitiness -- which I have tried to avoid. (Hope I succeeded).

Best wishes, BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:37, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Nikki Stringfield

FYI, one of the Facebook references at Nikki Stringfield was altered by your previous edit. -- Jax 0677 (talk) 22:12, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jax 0677: that edit[9] mangling a URL is the same problem that I raised in the section above, 23 hours before that edit.

Only two refs were changed, and the mangled URL is the first of the two, so it should have been easy to spot. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:48, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

• Reply - Agreed. --Jax 0677 (talk) 07:02, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

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