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How to change or edit the name of the Wiki page?[edit]

I submitted an article, and if published, I need the title or name of the wiki article to be edited. How do I edit this? It doesn't show anywhere on the source code.

Should I just delete and resubmit with the new name? TrevorGaeillan (talk) 01:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TrevorGaeillan, thanks for your question! Once your account is autoconfirmed and the article is published under the mainspace, you will be able to move the article to a new title (provided a valid reason for the page move). Let me know if you have additional questions!
Your mentor, Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 12:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! TrevorGaeillan (talk) 01:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from WatteryFire (10:28, 6 May 2024)[edit]

Are you a bot? --WatteryFire (talk) 10:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @WatteryFire and thanks for your question! On Wikipedia, most users are humans. However, there are a couple bots that perform automated actions (they have "bot" in their username) that would be tedious to do by hand otherwise. These bots do not have a will of their own (nor is there artificial intelligence around here) and they act under a set of algorithms, supervised by their bot creators. If you want to learn more, you can check out this documentation.
So, simply put, no I am not a bot, but your human mentor here to answer questions you have about editing Wikipedia!
Cheers, Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 12:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from WatteryFire (12:37, 6 May 2024)[edit]

Wow Thanks,this helps a lot. How do I prevent edit wars and keep my point(if it's correct)? --WatteryFire (talk) 12:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WatteryFire, if you find yourself disagreeing with other users, the best course of action is to discuss it on the article's talk page (making sure you ping the involved parties). Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 12:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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AfD closes[edit]

Hi Cocobb8, I was just wondering why you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craig Murray (disambiguation) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gerhard Lomer as keep, given that they'd been open for less than 24 hours? I !voted keep in the Craig Murray (disambiguation) AfD, but I feel it would have been beneficial for the nomination to have remained open for longer than it was, especially as XfD discussions are usually only closed after seven days. All the best :) ‍—‍a smart kitten[meow] 18:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @A smart kitten! I realized that those had over 3 keep already with no delete (or even other) !votes, and didn't see this suddenly turning over to delete consensus, so I thought it was fair to quickKeep them both. I suppose in the future I'll make them wait for longer, but I wonder what others would think about this too. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 19:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It might be helpful to start a discussion on the AfD project page to see if there can be some numbers decided, like "more than 3 keeps and no other votes" or something. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 19:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I agree, let the AfD's run even if they are doomed to fail. Some users don't check on a regular basis and there could be valid points raised. And as someone who is committed to keeping Gerhard Lomer (and who is confident zero valid points were available) it hadn't even run 24 hours. Oblivy (talk) 00:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oblivy Ok sounds good, I'll let them run for much longer next time. Thanks for pointing it out and sorry about that :) Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 10:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline for publishing?[edit]

Hi there Cocobb8!! Thanks so much for always responding!

I recently submitted an original article of a actor/voice actor, but, the tags that were automatically attached was "deprecated (unreliable) source." That's unfortunate, because I worked pretty hard to ensure that all sources were valid.

First: Why was this tag auto-attached? Second: Will this tag cause a delay in publishing?

Thanks for your help! TrevorGaeillan (talk) 02:19, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @TrevorGaeillan, thanks for your question. I believe you are talking about Draft:Ronan L. Summers? To me it looks like the article was declined for not being properly sourced. If someone mentioned a deprecated source, that's because some websites/publishers are essentially not used as Wikipedia sources. If you removed such sources, your draft has a good chance of being approved should you fix the issue mentioned below. You may also like to check out this help topic, which outlines which websites/publishers are generally considered reliable.
There are a couple of unnecessary citations in your draft, however. For example, a Wikipedia article citing a Wikipedia source should not be done (you should remove them). Instead, focus on secondary and independent sources.
You will also see that I've fixed the formatting of the reference list.
Let me know if you have other questions, Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 10:02, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the reference list formatting and the response! :) TrevorGaeillan (talk) 23:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Chuck380 (21:35, 9 May 2024)[edit]

G'day! I just want to add 1000 Schilling gold Olympic Movement : Zeus KM#3028 missing from the list "Commemorative Coins of Austria" - the two 200 schilling silver Olympic coins ARE there. Regards --Chuck380 (talk) 21:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Chuck380!
For which article would that be?
Thanks, Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 21:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bogdan Khmelnitsky Battalion[edit]

Greetings, regarding the decision to keep the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bogdan Khmelnitsky Battalion. Have you reviewed the argument that there is no coverage of article subject other than in news from short period in 2023? Thanks! ManyAreasExpert (talk) 15:06, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Manyareasexpert Reviewing that argument was what the participants in the AfD discussion did. Even then, there was a clear consensus to keep this article with strong arguments, and no delete !votes, this seemed like an obvious consensus to me. Cheers! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:12, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But the participants could address it, or they could not. But I assume that the one closing the request should. And "Consensus is ascertained by the quality of the arguments given on the various sides of an issue, as viewed through the lens of Wikipedia policy" and is not "the result of a vote" - Wikipedia:Consensus . ManyAreasExpert (talk) 15:36, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:NACD. Having 4 participants appealing to the nomination with strong arguments such as having significant WP:RS and meeting WP:GNG for keeping the article is a very clear consensus. As I said, I was simply enacting the decision of the community. If you want more details about the keep arguments, do reach out to those who !voted that way. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:41, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
strong arguments such as having significant WP:RS and meeting WP:GNG
The participants do stated that, without providing actual sources which are out of a 2-month news burst however. So we should not call these "arguments", but rather unsubstantiated claims. And it's also very easy to check, so everybody would expect the closer to check these before the close. You can even check it now. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 15:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I said many times already, 4 different editors came to the same conclusion. They had arguments, and I will not undo my close. As I already said, I was enacting an obvious consensus. If you really think this article has a chance of being deleted, then please bring this discussion elsewhere (where you will likely be told the same thing as I have here). Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've re-opened the debate as per WP:NACD (uninvolved administrator clause), as it shouldn't have been closed early. As per my administrator colleagues at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 May 11, this shouldn't have been closed early per "SNOW", as it doesn't meet that criteria. I've relisted it for further discussion. Regards, Daniel (talk) 02:16, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion review for Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 May 11[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 May 11. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 19:31, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ami Dror[edit]

I see you recently closed it as 'keep' but a bot put a template back up stating that it's still in AFD. This is the second time this has happened in 2 weeks after an AFD close. Do you know what is going on? -- Omer Toledano (talk) 03:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfD closures[edit]

Hi, why did you close the following debates after such a short period:

On the face of it these look like totally inappropriate closures, but I'm worried that I'm missing something here so I'll hold off reverting them until I hear back from you. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 03:49, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Cocobb8,
I just saw Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craig Murray (disambiguation), Why did you close this AFD a WEEK early with absolutely no explanation for why? This was a terrible decision. Even an admin who had been editing for 20 years wouldn't close an AFD like this the same day it was posted, much less be a NAC. Liz Read! Talk! 05:42, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now I see the same thing with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gerhard Lomer! I agree with Daniel, these closures were very premature, should be reverted and you should stay away from closing AFDs for a year. Liz Read! Talk! 05:55, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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