User talk:C-klums

C 4 Corinthia.
Hi, if you want to reply to any of my postings in the English wikipedia, please do it here. Mind your language, I don't appreciate profanities.

Hermann Burmeister, an Argentine of German descent?

Ihnen? Why is Hermann Burmeister photograph placed in the infobox as an Argentine of German descent. How can Hermann Burmeister have been an Argentine of German descent when according to the page in German he was a German zoologist who had worked on and off in South America and settled in Argentina when he was 54. Burmeister was a working German scientist in Argentina most of his research were commissioned by universities from Germany – which he shared with students and academics of Universities in Latin America. The Spanish wikipedia page also clarifies in the biography of Burmeister that he "fue un naturalista, paleontólogo y zoólogo alemán, que desempeñó la mayor parte de su carrera en Argentina." I don’t think that this Project was started as part of Wikiproject Germany by someone from Europe – because in Germany anyone who has gone to school knows that Burmeister was German not a Latin American of German descent. The statistics on the infobox is completely distorted and exaggerated as well it doesn’t correspond in any way from official figures released by the German Embassy in Buenos Aires or by CENSUS analysis firms.
Bis später__C-klums (talk) 03:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Let's see: Hermann Burmeister was born in Stralsund, a Baltic city that in those times was under Swedish control. He was not German in the sense he was born in Germany, but he was an Ethnic German. Yes, he was of German descent and German was his ethnicity, too. In Argentina, he took also Argentine citizenship, which does not mean he wasn't German any more. An ethnic German holding Argentine citizenship may be surely considered an Argentine of German descent. Please, try not to revoke unless you know for sure. Chipppy (talk) 02:53, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Chippy Chippy or Americanlurker

The statistics on the infobox is completely distorted and exaggerated as well it doesn’t correspond in any way from official figures released by the German Embassy in Buenos Aires or by CENSUS analysis firms.

In the history of the page you made the following statement:

Yours is a FALLACY, because the embassy can only answer about descendants of German CITIZENS, but not about descendants of ETHNIC GERMANS.And in Argentina,like in the USA, majority were ethnic Germans.

Whilst the role of the German Embassy in Buenos Aires is to protect its nationals living there it is also involved in developing cultural and scientific relations. They also archive historical information about Germans and their descendents. The statistics of these populations is also very dynamic for example in just a few years the number of German Citizens with permanent residency in Argentina has dropped from approximately 50,000 to less than 10,000 – with many people moving to Europe, the US or Chile. The figure of Argentines of German descent is also subject to the factors that has decreased the number of Germans living in Argentina.

I support the data pointing towards an estimate of 600,000 German Argentines. It is sad and makes a mockery of this project if people are using it and one day click on this page and say “how incredible there are 3 million German argentines and then they click on to it the next day and they find the population has been reduced by 2.4 million to 600,000. (in a time of peace!).

Your issue with whom you call “Chilean IPs” is that these editors or editor is acting pretty much with your attitude. Instead of being so fixated on this German Argentine page you should start the Peruvian Argentine and Bolivian Argentine page. I would like to see them too, with the picture of the notable peruvians and bolivians in Argentina - it is only fair.

Anyway, you can keep fighting on how German Argentina is I am not going to be editing this page.

Plus Hermann Burmeister is not a Latin American of German descent he is a German scientist just like Albert Einstein was a German scientist even though he was ethnically Ashkenazi and became a US. Citizen.

and…I rest my case.

Bis später__C-klums (talk) 03:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)