User talk:Bigturtle/Sandboxes/Archive 1

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Hello, Big Turtle. I noticed you started an article with your name in it (presumably so you could add your name to the Wikiproject Michigan. I hope you don't mind, but I am going to alter your entry on the main page to refer folks over to your User page. Also, since the Bigturtle article is blank, I will propose that for deletion. Lots of new users make this mistake (and I wish Wikipedia would make this clearer). Check out my edit on the Wikiproject Michigan so you can see my modification. If you do need to sign your name, type in four tildes "~" and wiki will create your sibnature for you. Jtmichcock 22:03, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Kilometres

The abbreviations for kilometers is "km" not "km." All metric system units do not use a period at the end. In fact, Wikipedia's Manual of Style suggests that we use abbreviations for U.S. customary units without periods. I dislike this part and usually avoid it by writing out English unit names. mi instead of mi. and lb instead of lbs. really bug me. Rmhermen 16:12, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for making the Lincoln Log Cabin State Historic Site article. Wachholder0 03:41, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Herbert Ponting

		The Original Barnstar
		Lovely narrative about Ponting's participation in the Scott expedition! I was rather moved, reading about Scott's last moments. Yabbadab 23:47, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Lowenstein

Huh?. Reverted. - Jmabel | Talk 02:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Worst Journey in the World

Thanks for writing this article...I tried doing it once, but got discouraged when another A-hole editor shut it down for reasons I'm still unsure of. Not notable or something. Well done on the article, and I'll try to add some stuff to it if I think of anything.--MonkBirdDuke 10:54, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Edward Adrian Wilson article

Hello,

Why did you remove the Category "Accidental deaths" from the Edward Adrian Wilson article? Wasn't his death accidental?

Regards,

Michael David 18:15, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Your point is well made.

Strict categorization in some cases can be difficult when faced with unusual circumstances. I consider a person's death as being caused by either disease (a natural act); murder, suicide or execution (deliberate acts), or accidental (an act of chance). I agree that, in the case of Edward Wilson, the circumstances are far less exact. For this reason. if you feel strongly about it, I propose letting your edit stand.

As for what procedures to follow if you feel someone has inserted a false or misleading categorization into an article - we're doing it.

I wondered why you deleted it - so I asked you. If you feel someone has entered an inappropriate Category - ask them why. The facts of something can have very different appearances depending on the angle of sight - what's most important is the dialogue those different angles produce.

I don't know how long you have been contributing to Wiki, but I do hope you stay.

Be healthy,

Michael David 21:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Walter Hooper

Thanks so much for the note, it's good to see the little things don't go unnoticed! --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 23:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

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List of films with similar themes and release dates AfD

Hi, you've expressed an opinion in the deletion discussion of this article. I've recently suggested a compromise in hopes of improving the article while keeping both sides happy, and would appreciate if you could revisit the issue. Thanks. --Wafulz 18:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Charlotte Reid article changes

Thanks for the reorganization and format changes you made. It was great work and much appreciated.

Seahound 00:00, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

You're welcome :) Calineed 11:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! Thank you for creating Robert Allerton Park article. It fills in sparse book info sources on the two Allertons' work in Illinois.--Look2See1 (talk) 17:33, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

re: Mackinac Island

Thank you very much for the barnstar. The infobox is just the first step in improving the Mackinac Island article. I also plan to copyedit it, add sources, and get it up to good or maybe even featured status in the near future. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 00:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

documentaries

I suppose you are right that there should not be links within the articles. I also hope you think it's pertinent and worthwhile to have them in the links. Take care and we'll keep expanding on information about our wonderful Michigan... upshot

Surf Michigan?

Thanks for your quick work on American River. Are there any Lake Michigan surf breaks that you're aware of, which could be added to Lake surfing and/or the U.S. Great Lakes section of List of surfing areas? regards, Shawn in Montreal 17:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Joliet Union Station and other Historic Railroad Stations

I see you moved Joliet (Amtrak station) to Joliet Union Station. Thanks. I also redirected Joliet (Metra) to the new version of this article. Tell me something else, you live in Michigan. Is there any way you can fix the locators on the NRHP maps for Niles, Dowagiac, and Jackson Amtrak Stations? ---- DanTD 23:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

No, I haven't. I've been asking some people on the National Register of Historic Places for help on this, since I've been trying to do this to a lot of stations in the country, not just those in Michigan. Unfortunatley, I've had no responses. ---- DanTD 16:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Sturgeon Point Light Station

Thank you very much for the barnstar! I'm flattered, and coming at the end of a long, ego-draining day at work, it was just what I needed right then. In any event, if you have something to add to the article, don't let anything I've done stop you from editing it! Ipoellet 21:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 14 September, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mackinac Falls, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 11:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Campbell's Island (Illinois)

Was going through the new Illinois articles and came across Campbell's Island (Illinois). If this is a community (unincorporated I assume since it is on the list, just a different spelling), shouldn't we change this to Campbell's Island, Illinois? I just wanted your take since you seem to have done the history on it more than I have before I made a move. I did a quick search on Google Earch and in there it is named Campbells Island, Illinois along with the island name being Campbells Island (right next to Winnebago Island).--Kranar drogin 21:29, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I commented about that merger, and think it should be done the way you suggested.--Kranar drogin 23:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Just an FYI, the article fit in perfectly for a DYK, so I added it [here. Hope you don't mind.--Kranar drogin 23:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

On 19 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Campbell's Island, Illinois, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--PFHLai 09:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Harrisville railroad

Dear Bigturtle:

What you said about the Detroit and Mackinac Railway is correct, as far as it goes. Of course, Lake Straits took over. Go to the Wiki webpage. And of course, you know we still have trains running by. Maybe it should say, "former Detroit and Mackinac Railroad now known as Lake Straits rail"? Just a thought. Do what you think is right. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 16:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Stan

Good job. I just did not want to imply that the rail was completely abandoned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 7&6=thirteen (talk • contribs) 17:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Richard Halliburton

I don't know if the article is still on your watchpage, but if you still have any interest in Richard Halliburton, I'd appreciate your eye over my recent changes. BrainyBabe (talk) 15:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks very much. I was fortunate enough to run across Barnett's article over the holidays, and then got doubly lucky when I found a source of public domain images! (A digitization project in the UP--who knew?) That one just came together. Mackensen (talk) 02:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

St. Helena Island Light

Nice catch. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 20:28, 8 April 2008 (UTC)Stan

Good contributions. We're up to 9911 bytes. 10,000 is a nice round number. {:]> 7&6=thirteen (talk) 23:27, 9 April 2008 (UTC)Stan

10,000!!! Woo-hoo. Yippee.!!! 7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:13, 10 April 2008 (UTC) Stan

Round Island Light (Michigan)

This could use some help on the GLLKA and the boy scouts. Anything you can contribute would be appreciated. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 02:55, 9 April 2008 (UTC) Stan

Nice job. I think the article shaped up inot something that we can be proud of. I'm sure I'll thin of some additions when I gett past my work tomorrow. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)Stan

Request to move article Mackinac Point Light incomplete

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Seul Choix Light

Dear BigTurtle: Here's one that needs the benefit of your input, if I can interest you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Thanks for the helping hand. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

Black Hawk War

Thanks. I am glad someone noticed. The research was tedious, to say the least, old histories are an exercise in subjectivity. I feel like we have accomplished a good thing there, of course, there is always more to do, (I think eventually it may make a great featured topic). As a personal benefit, I have now read pretty much everything published on the Black Hawk War in the last 160 years. IvoShandor (talk) 12:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Illinois Lakes/Creeks/Rivers

Hey Bigturtle. I have seen a lot of your articles for Illinois bodies of water. I was wondering if you would be able to help me with something. I have slowly been working through the List of protected areas of Illinois, and am updating it with acres, counties, etc. You will see a lot of red links for lakes, creeks, rivers, etc. I was wondering if you could help me with creating articles for these bodies of water? If you are interested, please let me know. If not, no worries at all! Thanks for your time.--Kranar drogin (talk) 04:24, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

That is perfectly fine by me. I think though, that if the section on the lake/creek/river etc gets a good amount of information to be Start or higher, it should have its own article. Otherwise the practice you are doing is perfect. If you don't mind, I will just keep working on the sections for that List, and then you can simply follow me up with either redirects, or creation of an article.--Kranar drogin (talk) 05:05, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I ran into a bit of a snag with the Illinois dnr site. It seems it stopped working sometime yesterday, so I won't be able to post bodies of water really for the last 20 on the list. As soon as its up and running again, I will start putting them on the list. I saw you created a bunch of articles and redirects. I thank you very much in this, and hopefully we will get this to FL eventually.--Kranar drogin (talk) 01:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Warning

This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
The next time you delete or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia, as you did to Trinity United Church of Christ, you will be blocked from editing. Die4Dixie (talk) 14:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

• OOPs, sorry, wrong severity, but we have worked hard on that article,Please visit the talk page of the article and discuss your reasoning for wanting to remove sourced material from it before doing so. The edit summary was less than clear. Happy editingDie4Dixie (talk) 14:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Copper Harbor Light

If you could find the time to add a few thoughts, it would be helpful. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 12:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

Seul Choix Light barnstar

BT: Thank you. It's nice to be noticed. I would have thank you earlier, but hadn't noticed it on my own page. I just got back from most of a week in the great white north, and have been incognito. Best to you and thank you very much. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 02:02, 18 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

Grand Traverse Light

Just starting on this article. They have been nominated to get free windows. They made the cut from 49 down to 12 lighthouses. Its some kind of a national popularity contest, with voting by the vox populi. If having a good wiki article would help, I'd like to do it. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 02:05, 18 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

Thank you. Nice changes. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 16:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

Russell A. Alger

This article could use some help, if you can find the time. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

Cheboygan Crib Light

The references are there, as is the infobox. However, the text is woefully inadequate. If you have the time . . . Happy Independence Day! 7&6=thirteen (talk) 12:46, 29 June 2008 (UTC) Stan

Rock of Ages Light

New article. New contributor (to Michigan lighthouses), I think. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 13:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC) Stan

St. Helena Island Light

BT: That's really different than the conventional pics. Two thumbs up. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 00:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC) Stan

Alpena Light

BT: Haven't heard from you in a while. Hope that your summer is going well. Here's one that could use your editing help. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 19:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC) Stan

Thanks for the numerous amendatory changes. It's always better when the turtle helps. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:29, 18 August 2008 (UTC) Stan

South Haven Light

BT: If you are interested, this article could use your input and some real text. I've put in the resources, links, infobox, etc. Hope you are doing well. Fall is almost here. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 14:11, 14 September 2008 (UTC) Stan

Ile Aux Galets

BT, I've put in a lot of the material, but it needs your extra touch. Thanks in advance. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 20:46, 16 September 2008 (UTC) Stan I can alway use your help. When I am dumping in that much info, it will need proofreading and editing. As Louis Brandeis once said in a different context, "there is no such thing as good legal writing, there is only good legal rewriting." It applies equally well here. Not to mention that a pair of 'fresh eyes' will find and correct a lot of thinks {:}> that will need correcting. Your friend and fellow editor 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC) Stan

Copper Island

BT, this article is up for deletion. I could really use your help in editing it. Mainly just moving stuff around, cleaning it up. etc. If you can find the time. it would be GREATLY APPRECIATED. Thanks. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 17:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC) Stan

Thank you. You are a gentleman and a scholar. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:17, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Stan

Spectacle Reef Light

BT, New article. Very rough cut. Could use your assistance when you find the time. Happy Halloween and thank you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 00:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC) Stan

I added a few more thoughts on my page. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 02:47, 31 October 2008 (UTC) Stan

We've been graced with a DYK nomination, so your help becomes ever more precious on this WIP (Work in Progress). 7&6=thirteen (talk) 23:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC) Stan

6-- How can the second-order Fresnel lens be the "original" lens when a temporary fourth-order lens preceded it?

The Fourth order Fresnel was not installed in the lighthouse, but rather on top of one of the buildings at the site. I new Second order lens was installed in the completed lantern room of the lighthouse in the spring of 1874. Asher196 (talk) 19:10, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

SS Carl D. Bradley

BT, If your not out with the orange army, I would appreciate your taking a look-see at this. Thanks. The Alpena News piece is particularly timely and well done. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:03, 16 November 2008 (UTC) Stan

Sand Point Light

Happy Thanksgiving. This could use an edit, sourcing etc., if you can find the time. Best regard. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 16:27, 27 November 2008 (UTC) Stan

Happy St. Patrick's Day

Have Black & Tan (Guiness and Harp (although they are owned ironically by South African Brewing Company). Enjoy the day. Best regards to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 16:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC) Stan

River Raisin National Battlefield Park

The bill text from GPO designates River Raisin as a "National Battlefield Park" rather than a "National Battlefield" [1] I have not seen the Public Law version at GPO yet. Do you have access to different information? — Eoghanacht ^talk 14:58, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll move it back. There is no rhyme or reason that I can figure out for naming of these types of resources. One is even a National Battlefield Site, and others are National Military Parks. Little Bighorn Battlefield is a National Monument. Palo Alto Battlefield was just changed from a National Historic Site to a National Historical Park -- Why not call it a Battlefield Park as well? The wisdom of Congress. — Eoghanacht ^talk 15:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Patrick Henry College

I undid an edit you made to Patrick Henry College's English motto - it is supposed to read "For Christ and for Liberty", as evidenced here and here. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 08:46, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

McGulpin Point Light

Thanks for sharing the good news. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 14:06, 10 June 2009 (UTC) Stan

Resources on Great Lakes lighthouses

I went through the Coast Guard lighthouse bibliography (not including the part on dissertations), and discovered the following sources, which could be salted into at least "Further reading" on various Great Lakes lighthouses. I did not include the books, etc., that I put into "further reading" on Stannard Rock Light.

LIGHTHOUSE RESOURCES

Barnard, J.G. "Lighthouse Engineering As Displayed at the Centennial Exhibition." American Society of Civil Engineers Transactions 8 (Mar 1879), p. 55.

Harris, Patricia. "Michigan City: Indiana's Only Lighthouse." The Keeper's Log (Spring, 1987), pp. 22-25.

Harrison, Timothy. "Big Sable, The Queen of the Lake." Lighthouse Digest (Jul 1997), pp. 1-3.

"Harsen's Island Saint Clair Flats Range Light Station Under New Ownership." Lighthouse Digest (Mar 2003), pp. 28-29.

Howard-Filler, Saralee R. "Grey's Grief." Michigan History 70, no 5 (1986), pp. 20-23.

Huggins, Michael. "Only Yesterday: History of the Monroe Lighthouses, Monroe, Mich." The Keeper's Log (Spring 2000), pp. 10-15.

"Important New Light Station at Milwaukee, Wis." Lighthouse Service Bulletin III, 50 (Feb 1, 1928), p. 229.

Janda, Louie & Rosie. "End of an Era: Cana Island, Wisconsin." The Keeper’s Log (Winter 1997), pp. 23-

Janda, Louie & Rosie. "End of an Era: Cana Island, Wisconsin." The Keeper’s Log (Winter 1997), pp. 23-

"Lightships and Lighthouses. Light-House Construction." Along the Shore I, No. 4 (Jun 1909), p. 17; No. 5 (Jul 1909), p. 17; No. 6 (Aug 1909), p. 17; ". . .Light-Houses on Submarine Stone Foundations." No. 7 (Sep 1909), p. 17.

Lopez, Victor. "This Old Lighthouse: Chicago Harbor Beacon Gets a Facelift." Coast Guard (Sep 1997), pp. 24-25.

Lynn, Bruce. "A Light is on in the Graveyard [Whitefish Point]." Lighthouse Digest (Aug 1997), pp. 1-3.

Merkel, Jim. "Big Sable Point." Lighthouse Digest (Sep 2000), pp. 16-17.

________. "Michigan Island: The Mistake that Became a Treasure." Lighthouse Digest (Mar 1999), pp. 21-24.

________. "Long Island [Wisconsin]: The Overlooked Lighthouse of the Apostles." Lighthouse Digest (Mar 2000), pp. 19-21.

Mulholland, Ray. "Light Stations on Great Lakes Closed During Winter Season." Coast Guard Magazine (Mar 1950), pp. 16-19.

Murphy, L.A. "Investigation of Foundation Stability at White Shoal Light Station, Lake Michigan." Coast Guard Engineers Digest No. 96 (Jan-Feb, 1956), pp. 34-38.

Nelson, Bruce A. "The History of Big Point Sable Light Station." Great Lakes Lighthouse Keepers Association The Beacon 18, No. 4 (Winter 2000/01), pp. 14-15.

"Resident Memories--Of Schooners, Steamers, and Storms [George Keller, Keeper of White Shoal Lighthouse]." Lighthouse Digest (Apr 2000), pp. 4-5.

"Round Island Passage Light Station." Proceedings of the Merchant Marine Council 5 (Sep 1948), p. 145.

"Round Island Passage Light Station Established." Coast Guard Engineers Digest No. 51 (Jul-Aug, 1948), pp. 28-29; No. 52 (Sep-Oct 1948), pp. 10-12.

Smith, S01cott T., ed. "The Lighthouses of Illinois." The Keeper’s Log (Spring 1994), pp. 13-19.

Timm, Richard. "Sands Point Lighthouse." The Keeper’s Log (Fall 1989), pp. 14-15.

"A Tour of the Lights of the Straits." Michigan History 70 (Sep/Oct 1986), pp. 17-29.

"Unwatched Light with Stand-By at Isle Royal Light Station, Mich." Lighthouse Service Bulletin III, 62 (Feb 1, 1929), pp. 276-277.

"Winter Lights, Great Lakes." Lighthouse Service Bulletin I, 35 (Nov 1914), p. 137.

Grant, John. Legendary Lighthouses: The Companion to the PBS Television Series. Old Saybrook, CT: Globe Pequot Press, 1998.

Hall, Stephen P. Split Rock: Epoch of a Lighthouse. St. Paul: Minnesota Historical Society, 1978.

Holden, Thom. Above and Below: Lighthouses and Shipwrecks of Isle Royale. Houghton, MI: Isle Royale Natural History Association, 1985.

McShane, Myron. The Presqu’ile Lighthouse: Its History and Its Keepers. [?????]

Noble, Dennis L., & T. Michael O'Brien. Sentinels of the Rocks: From "Graveyard Coast" to National Lakeshore. Marquette: Northern Michigan University Press, 1979.

Pletcher, Jean Edith, et al. Memories of the Michigan City Lighthouse. Michigan City: Michigan City Historical Society, 1991.

Vent, Myron H. South Manitou Island. Springfield: The Goodway Press, Inc., 1973.

7&6=thirteen (talk) 17:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC) Stan

Mackinac Island State Park Commission

BT, please take a look. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 16:30, 10 July 2009 (UTC) Stan

North American Game Warden Museum

I rather liked the Herbert Ponting article. If you would add your style and wisdom here, it would be appreciated. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC) Stan

Thanks. Fresh eyes and fresh thoughts. Sigh! 7&6=thirteen (talk) 23:03, 12 July 2009 (UTC) Stan

Round Island Light (Michigan)

I didn't know about the ending point on the race. Nice addition. You may have noticed that I am trying to deal with the 'wiki link police' and have had to do a major rewrite. I expect that User:Themfromspace will 'improve' lots of articles by removing all the links. I'm trying to reason with him/her, but as 'its policy' will probably prevail over appeals to reason. Best to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 16:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC) Stan

Wawashkamo Golf Club

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McGulpin Point Light

BT, I've made lots of changes. Maybe some of Moel, Richard L., McGulpin Point Light at Boatnerd.com. can be intertwined into the article? We certainly need a "getting there" section. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:22, 10 September 2009 (UTC) Stan

Old Mackinac Point Light

BT, With the exception of putting in citations to particular pages in books, I think this article is pretty close to complete. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:04, 12 September 2009 (UTC) Stan

Waugoshance Light, Old Mackinac Point Light, White Shoal Light Spectacle Reef Light, St. Helena Island Light, Round Island Light (Michigan), McGulpin Point Light Sturgeon Point Light,etc.

BT, I've more or less finished several of the northern Lake Michigan, Straits of Mackinac and nother Lake Huron lighthouse articles. If you would take a look and put on your final touches and blessing, it would be appreciated. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:13, 14 September 2009 (UTC) Stan

Thank you for your helping hand. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 19:51, 15 September 2009 (UTC) Stan

Poe Reef Light

BT, Fairly well researched and annotated. Poorly written, and needs a clean up. Please leave in (or move around) the sources. Could use more detailed history, which on line is mainly at the Terry Pepper article, as there is not much anywhere else on line. Parenthetically, Wobser says, "This light was one of eight designed by General Orlando M. Poe." Because of the date it was built, I'm not sure on that, and I don't think Terry Pepper says that. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 03:03, 18 September 2009 (UTC) Stan

I managed to uncover something that could be of use on a bunch of articles.

This is part of a larger pattern of building 14 reef lights around Michigan, which was intended to help ships navigate through and around the shoals and hazards.

Roberts, Bruce; Jones, Ray. (September 2002) American Lighthouses, 2nd: A Definitive Guide pp. 246-250 Publisher: Globe Pequot Press 304 pp ISBN 9780762722693.

There is a lot more in that book than just Poe Reef Light. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 03:38, 18 September 2009 (UTC) Stan

Port Sanilac Light

BT, ready for your final edit. Maybe a little more on the dimensions and shape from Terry Pepper would help? Best to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 14:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC) Stan

Thanks for the back up. It looks good. I wasn't sure about the range. Volume VII of the lightlist is probably most authoritative. OTOH, this is the original 4th Order Fresnel, and Terry Pepper has a section on those and their ranges. (you even cited it in the DeTour Reef Light article. I assume it was without 'bullseyes' as I've never seen anyone mention them.

Even though there are "maximum ranges", I can attest from personal experience that those aren't always as limiting as one might think. I have a place 1 mile north of Sturgeon Point Light, and depending on atmospheric conditions I can occasionally see from my beach Thunder Bay Island and the light, all of which are well over the horizon and outside the reported range of that light.

Best to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 23:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC) Stan

DeTour Reef Light

Here's another one. I didn't put in as much as I probably should have from the Wobser and Pepper articles on this light. The 1996 (?) listing as being one of the 11 most endangered lights probably should be mentioned. If you woule give another set of eyes to this, it would be appreciated. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 23:54, 28 October 2009 (UTC) Stan

"There is also little from the Detour Reef Preservation Society page, and nothing at all from their publication Passages, which is linked and on line. These all are potentially great sources.

Finally, this is your baby. You created the article, and I think it would be really keen if you brought it all home. Thanks and good luck. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 00:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC) Stan

Thunder Bay Island

Sorry about my mixup. The boat existed, and was displayed in Chicago. I read about this in a book which I purchased about Thunder Bay Island that I got form the TBI Preservation Society. When I saw the citation about the Lighthouse Board and its showing off new technology at an exhibition, I made a connection that it was referring to Chicago, which obviously was wrong. And which you caught. The citation was correct, but the info was not. Thanks for thinking this through. Sorry for the misleading info. I ASS UMEd, as they say. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC) Stan

Alpena Light

BT. This one is more or less 'done' and could use your final proof. I did not put in anywhere near all of the info in the Terry Pepper Alpena Light site. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:44, 9 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Your guess would be as good as mine. The best source on line is Terry Pepper (I think). I put all the sources in the article, and some of them are inconsistent. The best book probably is Hyde's, but I don't have a copy. Thanks for adding some history. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 17:48, 9 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Au Sable Light

Ready for your edit. There is some duplication. There is very little from the excellent Terry Pepper article, and it might be a good source. Best. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 10:25, 14 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Point Iroquois Light

Here's another. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:52, 14 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Big Bay Point Light

Here's another. I neglected using material related to the Pepper site. I'll be gone for several days, which will give you time to cogitate and catch up. Smiley face. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:40, 14 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Rock of Ages Light

I'm done with this one. Have at it. Happy Thanksgiving to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:50, 21 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Thanks for the tuck pointing. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:05, 24 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Poe Reef Light

Plese take a look. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:05, 24 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Nobody else may notice, but I did. Elegant and very sexy. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 03:10, 25 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Whitefish Point Light

This is rough, but the citations are in place. I'll be gone over Thanksgiving holiday. Happy holiday to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 03:41, 25 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Great Lakes Maritime History website

FYI, you might be interested in Great Lakes Maritime History website. Happy Thanksgiving. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:08, 25 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

it's only "great" when taken to its full potential by a good editor like you. These articles really are best as a team effort (and 'there is no I in team' although there is a 'me'. Smile. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Historic postcard images

Huelse, Klaus -- Meine Leuchtturm-Seite: Leuchttürme USA auf historischen Postkarten -- Historic postcard images of U.S. lighthouses, Historic Post Card Views. There are many incredible lighthouses from all over the world. The downside is that I cannot figure out how he names these cards, and absent finding them at Russ Rowlett Lighthouse directory (which occasionally has proper links), I can't find the links for particular lighthouses. As an example, there are more than a dozen Michigan lights, including really old cards for such disappeared historic lights as Belle Isle Light, Windmill Point Light and Mama Juda Light. Has a really good picture of the Harbor Beach Light, Old Mackinac Point Light and Bay City Lighthouse, for example. Would be great to be able to put links into our articles. I know he gives Rowlett permission and the links (Rowlett and some other site note that occasionally). Any thoughts would be appreciated. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 02:38, 26 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Esteemed editor Jameslwoodward suggested that I right click on the image - full size, not the thumb - and click on "Properties". The URL will come up. It worked like this: Huelse, Klaus -- Meine Leuchtturm-Seite: Leuchttürme USA auf historischen Postkarten -- Historic postcard images of U.S. lighthouses, Historic Post Card View of Harbor Beach Light. Thanks for the help. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:23, 26 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Detroit River Light

I am kind of at a dead end on this article. With the exception of actual books, there is not much info on this on line. Terry Pepper has data, but as far as I can find no actual page for this light. I wrote and told him about it. Best. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 16:59, 26 November 2009 (UTC) Stan

Terry Pepper says that he doesn't have an article on it because it is not 'in the Western Great Lakes.' Of course, it is his website nd he gets to make the rules -- he considers it to be Lake Erie. The problem with his bright line is that it leaves out two Michigan lighthouses -- he has a list of "Michigan lights" (but apparently he means 'Michigan lights in the western Great Lakes') -- this one and [[Turtle Island Light (which is shared with Ohio). Best to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 20:19, 7 December 2009 (UTC) Stan

St. Florian Church (Hamtramck, Michigan)

I think this is done, but anything always can use the intervention of a good editor. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 20:14, 7 December 2009 (UTC) Stan

Thank you! 7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:30, 9 December 2009 (UTC) Stan

Sweetest Heart Of Mary Roman Catholic Church‎

Intervention is good. Out of here for a few days. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 20:33, 9 December 2009 (UTC) Stan

Huron Islands Lighthouse

Here's an article for your consideration. Merry Christmas. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 11:19, 23 December 2009 (UTC) Stan

Source lists for lighthouses

BT, A heads up. Someone is systematically nominating the source lists for lighthouses for deletion. Discussion is here.

IMHO, this is wrong-headed, and anybody who would help in opposing this would be apprecaied. Obvioiusly, I wouldlike to keep the Lighthouse resources and I replied to all of them like this>

• Strong Keep These are useful and important lists of sources. There was a lot off work that went into these lists, and they are not miscellaneous lists of books, but are a considered and well researched compendium of resources, including links. For anybody who is seriously researching lighthouses in the United States and the affected areas, this are very useful. For anybody to argue that lists should be deleted without regard to their utility is to disregard the needs of our readers and potential readers. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:46, 3 April 2010 (UTC) Stan

Thanks for your valiant but futile effort. It was well said. However, we were sending but they chose not to receive. C'est domage. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 12:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC) Stan

Joseph H. Albers

This is a need for a read by a dispassionate editors help. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 12:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC) Stan

Thanks very much. I was thinking of nominating this for a WP:DYK. The last few days saw a major rewrite and substantial additions. So I think we might qualify. Something like, "A recipient of the Silver Star, Joseph H. Albers was the first bishop of Lansing, and attended the Second Vatican Council with two of his successors.? We need a good 'hook.' What do you think? 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:09, 19 April 2010 (UTC) Stan

Wording? Also, his receipt of a Silver Star is also odd, if not downright weird. Based on his rapid rise in the hierarchy and educational attainments, he was a remarkable man. If I had not stayed at the English Inn (Irving Jacob Reuter, I would never have become aware of him or done this article. Of course, Bishop Albers proved that you can take a vow of poverty, but it doesn't mean you can't live well. I've been trying to find Albers' episcoal motto (I assume he had one), but have had no success. Likewise, trying to find a picture has been fruitless thus far. Sigh. Thanks for your help. Give me some editorial suggestions, please. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:25, 19 April 2010 (UTC) Stan

Jean Hoxie

This is a new article. Please take a look and make some improvements. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 12:20, 4 May 2010 (UTC) Stan

Thank you for the helping hand. It looks much improved. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC) Stan

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Michael H. Belzer

Please take a look. Thanks. Enjoy the great weather we're having. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:25, 21 May 2010 (UTC) Stan

Thank you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:26, 25 May 2010 (UTC) Stan

Gordon Thomas (politician)

Tweaks please. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 13:18, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 14:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC) Stan

Three hares

I've taken this about as far as I can figure. Any ideas and improvements (separate section on Buddhism maybe) would be appreciated. Please take a look. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 14:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC) Stan

Very cool. That's why it's great to have collaborators. Unfortunately, I'm stuck in real life right now, and can't do anything with it for about a week. BTW, three interlocked fish were also used as a Christian symbol. Thank you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 16:23, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Highland Recreation Area

BT, I wonder if Haven Hill should be separately listed under the Protected Areas of Michigan template box as a "National Natural Landmark", which is a category that we don't have there. I'm not suggesting a separate article, but thsy listing with a redirect to Highland Recreation Area might make sense. Or it could go under "Other". 7&6=thirteen (talk) 09:24, 9 June 2010 (UTC) Stan

BT, I tried adding Haven Hill should be separately listed under the Protected Areas of Michigan template box as a "National Natural Landmark", and I think all I did was screw it up. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:16, 10 June 2010 (UTC) Stan

BT, Barek fixed the Template. See User talk:Barek‎ for a question. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 08:26, 11 June 2010 (UTC) Stam

Northrop

Thank you for your changes, which are good ones. Bigturtle (talk) 02:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! Hal Jespersen (talk) 16:26, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Barber's pole

I think the lede paragraph needs work. The barber's pole section itself might use some direct references from the 1904 book. Please take a look. I'm kind of burnt out on this. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 20:24, 11 September 2010 (UTC) Stan

Nicely done. Thank you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:11, 11 September 2010 (UTC) Stan

And as an added bonus, the article went over the 20K mark. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:19, 11 September 2010 (UTC) Stan

I think that somewhere there is an article on helical Astragals, but maybe I'm confabulating. Could be one of the Milwaukee Harbor lighthouses had helical bars in the Astragals. Too many edits and too much time. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:30, 11 September 2010 (UTC) Stan

No doubt the source of your fascination has got to be in your DNA. (Smiley face Emoticon) 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:38, 11 September 2010 (UTC) Stan

BT, like you I share your fascinations. This all started because I wanted to put a link in the Barber Pole article to White Shoal Light, and then I decided the article could be improved. OCD has its rewards. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:15, 11 September 2010 (UTC) Stan

Andrew Jackson (clipper)

Thanks for getting this article going and into shape! Hope you'll keep taking an interest in the clipper articles. Would you consider taking a look at the Surprise (clipper), or one of the others that needs copyediting? Djembayz (talk)

DYK for Andrew Jackson (clipper)

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Oliver Hazard Perry

BT, Could use clean up and tweaks. I've put in lots of further reading, which could be sources if you were so inclined to read them. Anyway, whatever you can do would be appreciated. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC) Stan

Speaking as a WP:Inclusionist, I thought those were really great additions. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:29, 29 September 2010 (UTC) Stan

Good changes. BTW, take a look at the current article. I put in an interesting forebear. The only thing really missing form this article is something about the reluctant Niagara/Elliot and the agtressive Lawrence/Perry. Maybe a little more about the tqactics, controversey, etc. We also don't have much about his later life. Lots of dueling and challenges to duels, etc. He was a contentious SOB, I think. Although that stuff might not be notable. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 20:54, 1 October 2010 (UTC) Stan

SS Kamloops

Thanks! If you're interested, my goal is to create articles (or add to existing ones) for the ten NRHP-listed shpwrecks around Isle Royale (listed on the National Register of Historic Places listings in Keweenaw County, Michigan, amongst other places). Andrew Jameson (talk) 16:26, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Quest

Hi, nice article. The infobox could possibly be improved by consolidation. See RV Belgica (1884) for an example of what I mean. Let me know if you'd like me to have a go at redrawing the infobox. Mjroots (talk) 07:37, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

300px Quest, displaying its schooner rigging in St Katherine's Dock, London, 1921.
History
Name	Foca I (1917-21) Quest RYS (1921-24) Quest (1924-40) HMS Quest (1940-46) Quest' (1946-62)
Owner	A Ingebrigtsen (1917-21) E Shackleton (1921-23) W G Oliffe (1923-24) Schjelderups Sælfangstrederi AS (1924-39) Skips-AS Quest (1939-40) Nortraship (1940-62)
Operator	A Ingebrigtsen (1917-21) E Shackleton (1921-23) W G Oliffe (1923-24) T Schjelderup (1924-39) I Austad (1939-40) Nortraship (1940) Royal Navy (1940-46) Nortraship (1946-62)
Port of registry	Høvik (1917-21) Cowes (1921-23) Cowes (1923-24) Bodø (1924-39) Tromsø (1939-40) Royal Navy (1940-46) Tromsø (1946-62)
Builder	Erik Lindstøls Båtbyggeri, Risør
Launched	1917
Out of service	May 5, 1962
Identification	Fishery registration K-13-K (1917-21) Fishery registration B-94-BN (1924-39) Fishery registration T-24-T (1939-40) Code Letters LJBT (1924-34) Code Letters LCVR (1934-62)
Fate	Foundered in the Labrador Sea
General characteristics
Class and type	Sealer (1917-21) Research Vessel (1921-24) Sealer (1924-40) Minesweeper (1940-46) Sealer (1946-62)
Tons burthen	209 GRT 94 NRT
Length	110 feet 7 inches (33.71 m)
Beam	24 feet 9 inches (7.54 m)
Draught	11 feet 8 inches (3.56 m)
Propulsion	Sails, aided by compound steam engine (1917-39) Diesel engine (1939-62)
Sail plan	Schooner

New ship infobox. Original name Foca I, fishery registrations and builder per Warsailors website. Code Letters, measurements and engine details from Plimsoll Ship Data website (pages linked therefrom). Article could be expanded with a description section. Let me know whether you think this infobox is suitable, or there are any changes that need to be made. Once we are agreed on it, it can replace the original. Mjroots (talk) 08:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I've added the new infobox to the article, with tweaks as suggested. Will probably expand the article a bit myself in next few days. Mjroots (talk) 17:55, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for the barnstar, it was a nice surprise. Hopefully I can continue to add to the article. Right now I'm trying to find confirmation that the stream is still "Class A", there seems to have been a couple surveys since the designation, which I am pretty sure is based on older data, from 83-93. Information is sparse, but hopefully I will figure it out. Thanks again. IvoShandor (talk) 03:20, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and thanks for your own work on Piscasaw Creek. You have no idea how shocked I was when I started working on Kishwaukee River tributaries and there was already an article on Piscasaw Creek. Shocked, I tell you. IvoShandor (talk) 13:22, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

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Bill Smith (Fell runner)

BT, hope all is going well. Haven't run across you in a long time. This could use your talents. Please take a look. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:14, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:46, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

It needs more editing, which we know you excel at. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:22, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

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Old Kaskaskia Village

Per your request at my talk page, have revised the caption at Old Kaskaskia Village, and also the description at Commons. It's possible (though far from certain) that I'll pass through the area again in a few weeks; if you're particularly interested in the site or the article, is there anything that you think especially ought to be photographed? I know very little about the site: mostly, I was trying to hit some of the unillustrated National Historic Landmarks in Illinois while travelling cross-country. I'd happily try to act on suggestions for better photos, if you'd care to make some and if my path takes me that way again. Ammodramus (talk) 22:43, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Ouch. Before I went to Old Kaskaskia Village, I spent the morning tramping along Farm Creek through Farmdale Recreation Area, looking for F.C. Section. Found what I thought was it and shot a bunch of photos. That night, miles and miles down the road, I studied the photos and description in the nom form, and realized that the place I'd shot definitely wasn't it. Re-checked the Google map; I suspect that if I'd gone another quarter-mile upstream, I'd have found the right place. I will definitely try for it on my way back west, weather permitting. "Weather permitting" is a big if: the recreation area is closed during rains and for 24 hours after. Ammodramus (talk) 01:07, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Caught the Farm Creek Section with the last of the daylight, obtaining some sub-excellent photos which are at Commons:Category:Farm Creek Section (Tazewell County, Illinois). Since I don't know geology or Illinois especially well, I've done a fairly minimal categorization. If you're so inclined, you might want to improve the descriptions and/or categorization. Ammodramus (talk) 23:57, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

The Tridge

Bigturtle, Please take a look. See if I missed anything. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:13, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Temporary per the sources. Working on the trail and the canoe launch. And there is (as the article indicates) a second Y bridge, a/k/a The Tridge (weren't they original), in Ypsilanti. Thanks for the favorable note. This whole y-bridge thing might merit its own article, once I get a DYK out of this one. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:03, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

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There is a list of Y-bridges on Wikipedia, but no article that I know of. If you do one, it would be interesting to distinguish between (a) Y-bridges located at river confluences, and (b) Y-bridges located in other locations (if any). The Y-bridge-at-a-confluence model, found in Zanesville, Midland, etc., speaks to the willingness of early Euro-American pioneers to select river mouths and places-where-small-rivers-come-together as campsites and, eventually, platted townsites.

I was putting some of this into this article. It would need prose. I had started on that, and Imzadi pulled it all out as "cruft." If you go back to the earlier itereations of the article, the basic sources are there. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:06, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

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Passenger Pigeon

You've had good ideas in the past. Please take a look. I've put in links and sources, and it is a better article than it was. It just got promoted to a "B". Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:13, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Nice tweaks. Good ideas! 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

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There will be a WP:DYK in this. Please take a look. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:49, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

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Owney (dog)

I tweaked this up. Current issue, as there is a new forever stamp. Your perusal would be appreciated. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:00, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Big Turtle, for your help and observations. I think you are right on about adding more on the media coverage, and more detail on the world tour and is coverage. FWIW, we have a couple of days yet from the five days from the beginning of the big expansion, and I have added a lot of content (Although not yet enough for a WP:DYK. The 5X expansion is daunting.

I have some contacts at the USPS, and will see what I can do about getting permission to publish. It would be a great addition to the article, and would further their larger interests and goals, too. Putting aside, of course, the assassination. Rather like the old joke, when the reporter asked Mrs. Lincoln, 'Other than the shots, how was the play?' But I'll see what I can do. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Good collection of sources. "Owney, the Railway Mail Dog". Topics in Chronicling America. Library of Congress. Retrieved July 31, 2012. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:38, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

The Jucklins

Thanks for looking that over, feel free to edit as you see fit of course. I only learned of Opie Read in writing the article, I've been dabbling in writing articles on best-sellers listed in James David Hart's 1950 book The Popular Book: A History of America's Literary Taste [2] or from the annual bestseller lists in The Bookman (New York).--Milowent • ^hasspoken 15:41, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination for Washington Bee

Hi. I've nominated Washington Bee, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. Allen3 ^talk 21:46, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

The Washington bee. (Washington, D.C.) 1884-1922, May 29, 1886, Image 1

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"Persistent link: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84025891/1886-05-29/ed-1/seq-1/

I sent this on to Doug Coldwell, and asked him to upload the image to Commons. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:49, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

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Robert Gill‎

I've been playing with this. Please take a look. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:20, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Gill

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:02, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

William Calvin Chase

BT: We need citations for each of these two paragraphs. Chase's 1912 support for the re-election of President William Howard Taft was not successful, as the Southern-born candidate Woodrow Wilson was elected. Wilson's entry into the White House marked the extension of Redeemer policy to Washington, D.C. and the federal government, with the new administration ruthlessly re-segregating Washington offices and other places of life and work. Harsh policies reduced the incomes of subscribers to the Bee, and made advertising in the weekly newspaper less attractive.

Chase attempted to respond to these dismal trends by building an editorial alliance with the newly-formed National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). His time as a second-wave civil rights activist was, however, short. On January 3, 1921 the editor was found dead in his newspaper office; he had literally died at his work desk. The struggling newspaper survived him by little more than a year.

7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:39, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

BT, we will be proposing a new DYK alternate hook 5. This should pass, provided we get the citations for those two paragraphs. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:33, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

You've got mail. We are almost there. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:51, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I have submitted ALT5 hook, however we still need the citations for those two paragraphs. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 00:13, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Bigturtle - did you find the citations necessary for these 2 paragraphs in the William Calvin Chase article? --Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

• Chase's 1912 support for the re-election of President William Howard Taft was not successful, as the Southern-born candidate Woodrow Wilson was elected. Wilson's entry into the White House marked the extension of Redeemer policy to Washington, D.C. and the federal government, with the new administration ruthlessly re-segregating Washington offices and other places of life and work. Harsh policies reduced the incomes of subscribers to the Bee, and made advertising in the weekly newspaper less attractive.

• Chase attempted to respond to these dismal trends by building an editorial alliance with the newly-formed National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). His time as a second-wave civil rights activist was, however, short. On January 3, 1921 the editor was found dead in his newspaper office; he had literally died at his work desk. The struggling newspaper survived him by little more than a year.

I don't think they will approve for a DYK unless there are citations for the above paragraphs for the William Calvin Chase article. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:02, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you BT. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 05:11, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:48, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for William Calvin Chase

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:07, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Justin Butterfield

Unless I am not seeing it, there is no DYK submission for this article. I will be glad to submit one for you and 7&6=thirteen as co-editors. The hook line would read:

… that Justin Butterfield defeated Abraham Lincoln for the job of General Land Office of the United States in 1849?

You guys will be responsible for all references and the QPQ Review. Leave reply here as I have a "watch" on it.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:15, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Go for it! Let me know what the article needs and doesn't have - one citation RQ has popped up already Bigturtle (talk) 22:53, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll submit tomorrow..........--Doug Coldwell (talk) 23:07, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

• Here is something the article needs: a picture of Justin's tombstone. At Find A Grave is 2 excellent pictures. Ask the picture taker if he is willing to upload those pictures to Flickr under the "Attribution Creative Commons" copyright license (being the only license acceptable to Wikipedia) and then you can use the pictures in the article. Send the picture taker a link to your article in this email request. This will be something you can learn from this assignment.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:48, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

----Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:07, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Can this be revised to: read that Butterfield was appointed "Commissioner" of the General Land Office, rather than just "General Land Office." Bigturtle (talk) 18:38, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, as you know YOU can edit anything ("edit this page" or "Review or Comment") within the Template and it appears AUTOMATICALLY whereever this Template has been placed (many places). --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:05, 16 November 2012 (UTC) = "transcluded" or "transclusion" is the term. See Wikipedia:Transclusion. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:49, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Its basically YOUR article and YOUR hook, so go ahead and design it to your liking.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:25, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Need to learn

How to archive a talk page

I know what I need to learn: how to cache 90% of my talk page. Bigturtle (talk) 01:10, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Easy - put this on top of YOUR Talk page. -------------->>>>>

When archiving it would be best to block everything below the archive box and cut. Save the page, which will then be blank - except for the archive box. Paste this new Archive into the next red link Archive. Give it dates (from the beginning message through the last message). --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:06, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Help:Archiving a talk page You might contact Berean Hunter if you need help. Wonderful resource and a friendly Wikipedian! 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:27, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Getting a copyright free image

E-mail the person at Find A Grave tombstone pictures.

I write articles for Wikipedia. Your tombstone pictures are interesting and would fit into one or more of the articles I am presently writing on.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=85086225

There is at least one tag in use (All Rights Reserved) that makes your tombstone pictures not usable on Wikipedia.

Would you consider uploading your tombstone pictures to Flickr and downgrading your copyright tags to ONLY "Attribution Creative Commons" so I could use it on some Wikipedia articles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Butterfield

Do you have any other similar pictures?

Thanks for your consideration.

(signed)