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March 2016

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During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.  Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:23, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello Ritchie333. Taking a look at page histories, it really looks like a war zone. I would like to let you know all those reverts were out of concern that some information might be lost. Should I come across a similar situation in the future, I will be resorting to one of methods mentioned in Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution#Discuss_with_the_other_party (3rd opinion, dispute resolution noticeboard, a request for mediation, or request for comment), even if other party is not responding. Have a nice day. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 13:31, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Whenever you see an edit war, break off and discuss. I follow User:Ritchie333#One revert guarantee (I admit that very occasionally I accidentally breach my self-imposed 1RR but I try not to!) As I'm happy you understand what the block is about and won't be continuing the war, I'm okay to unblock. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:State leaders by year

Template:State leaders by year has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. --Neve–selbert 07:14, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Template:State leaders by year listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Template:State leaders by year. Since you had some involvement with the Template:State leaders by year redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. -- Tavix (talk) 15:49, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

List of unsuccessful plots inspired or directed by ISIL

Will you have time to start the page List of unsuccessful plots inspired or directed by ISIL?E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:56, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

@E.M.Gregory: I don't have any experience in creating pages nor any "expert" knowledge on the topic. Looking forward to improving article after it's creation. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 08:12, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
Fair enough, and thanks for moving that discussion to the Lone Wolf talk page. It may take me a couple of days to find time to do this, my schedule has resumed a more usual (overcrowded) rhythm.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:45, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

List of state leaders in 2016 Rfc

Howdy. Just curious, are you seeking closure in order to have another Rfc? or just seeking closure with the idea that your proposal has consensus? GoodDay (talk) 19:29, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello, GoodDay (talk · contribs), not immediate closure, but at best time Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk · contribs) deems appropriate. I leave it to the uninvolved closing administrator to gauge if another RfC is required, which I strongly doubt. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 20:40, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Would you object to moving the entire discussion over to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Leaders by year? Your proposed changes (of which I vehemently oppose) would affect multiple articles, so this would be a good place to gain relevant & neutral traction via local consensus. In the meantime, however, I will continue to seek an early closure of the Rfc.--Neve–selbert 22:13, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Please, can you either voice your support or opposition for moving the discussion over to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Leaders by year. I need notice.--Neve–selbert 17:54, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Moving discussion is disruptive. Please see Wikipedia:BULLDOZERING, Wikipedia:BLUDGEON. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 18:02, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
I have seen both of them. Have you? If you would like your proposed changes to be made not just on the 2016 article (but on all of the articles since 2013, 1993, or 1988) then we have no greater option but to move the discussion. Or would you just like to make the changes on the 2016 article, only? A clear answer, please. 2016 only or not?--Neve–selbert 18:33, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
@Neve-selbert: The scope of RfC is all pages with similar layout, foreign minster list pages included. If you have any doubts, feel free to inquire in appropriate section in RfC. Have a nice evening. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 18:45, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
OK. Very well, then. So, I shall be moving the whole discussion over to the WikiProject talk page, as your proposed changes do not just concern the article-in-question. We can notify all contributors of the original discussion in due time.--Neve–selbert 18:49, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
@Neve-selbert:, Kindly don't do so, disrupts discussion. Please wait till conclusion of RfC... Spirit Ethanol (talk) 18:50, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Whatever the result of the Rfc, no changes will be considered or even implemented until a proper discussion takes place gauging local consensus at the associated WikiProject. You jumped the gun in skipping a local consensus solution, hence delegitamising the Rfc.--Neve–selbert 18:55, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
This is your interpretation, RfC result binding to all pages with similar layout. Feel free to inquire in a section in RfC.. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 19:16, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
And vice versa. No result is "binding" and consensus can change, read WP:VOTE. Of course, feel free to counter-inquire as to why you oppose common sense in moving the discussion to its appropriate WikiProject talk page for a wider local consensus in a section in Rfc.--Neve–selbert 19:33, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
If you decide to impose your changes after 12 March, I shall lead your route to WP:AE.--Neve–selbert 06:18, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
As mentioned above in Guy Macon comment, we are required to accept the result of the RfC. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 17:30, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Even if the Rfc is blatantly illegitimate? I beg to differ.--Neve–selbert 17:33, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Let me make this clear. You are required to obey the result of an RfC. Specifically, You are required to obey the determination made by the closing administrator in his closing comments. If indeed the RfC is blatantly illegitimate, the closing admin will say so in his closing comments -- they are experts at this. If you think the closing admin (or non-admin - non-admin closures are allowed if the result is clear) got it wrong, we have a procedure for appealing the close and getting more admins looking at it. Nonetheless, you are required to obey the RfC until an appeal overturns it. Keep in mind that this goes both ways; it may very well end up that it is Spirit Ethanol who thinks the RfC closer got it wrong and you who thinks they got it right. Either way, we are all required to obey the result of an RfC. --Guy Macon (talk) 18:05, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Howdy SE. At the Rfc, I've presented 'clarification' survey, with a neutrally worded question. This isn't an attempt to de-legitimize the original question, but merely to clarify it & get confirmation from the posters. GoodDay (talk) 17:35, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:State leaders by year

Template:State leaders by year has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. --Neve–selbert 18:13, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

  • 3 or more links. thanks. didn't know that.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:24, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for adding the other Wikiprojects to the header of Talk:List of state leaders in 2016. It is hard to edit anything at all about Palestine without entering the domain of WP:ARBPIA. Whether Palestine should be considered a state is certainly there. In my opinion WP:1RR applies to edits on ARBPIA-related material anywhere in article space. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 19:31, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

RfC notifications

Hi! How did you choose the list of who to notify in the following edits?[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] --Guy Macon (talk) 18:01, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

  • I just looked at the history of List of state leaders in 2016‎. Bogdan Uleia and Neve-selbert have both posted to that page recently, but only Bogdan Uleia got a notice. How did you choose who to notify? --Guy Macon (talk) 19:09, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Hi again, randomly selected form edit history of pages mentioned above, manually, not in an automated manner. Care to explain why are you interested? Spirit Ethanol (talk) 19:17, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Just a general "this is probably fine, but I want to check to make sure that WP:CANVAS is not being violated" question. I am not implying that you did anything wrong, but rather just checking. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:51, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

You really seem desperate to get every Wikipedian possible for involvement in this Rfc. One question, if I may:

  • What exactly is your aim? If the Rfc closes eventually as no consensus (extremely likely) will you accept the result or advance to WP:RFM?

Regards.--Neve–selbert 01:48, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Just to make it clear, wanting a lot of editors to know about an RfC that is important to you is allowed, as long as WP:CANVAS is followed. Also, we are all required to accept the result of any RfC, so please WP:AGF. (Any editor can challenge an RfC close, but until the challenge is successful and the close is overturned, we are required to accept the result of the RfC) --Guy Macon (talk) 04:51, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

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Hello Bbb23 (talk · contribs), at the time of editing List of state leaders in 2016 I was neither aware of WP:ARBPIA nor the Wikipedia:1RR. Kindly note that I created an RfC here to resolve dispute. I don't plan on doing any more reverts awaiting the RfC result and in accordance with Wikipedia:1RR/Wikipedia:3RR policy. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 14:55, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
As I stated to the other editor, who also said they were unaware of the ARBPIA restrictions, there is a notice on the article Talk page, the same page that you (belatedly) started an RfC. And every time you reverted the article, there was a warning at the top of the edit window about ARBPIA and 1RR. Finally, even without ARBPIA, you breached 3RR and you certainly knew you were edit warring on February 9 and continuing on the 11th.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:04, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Bbb23 (talk · contribs), after thorough inspection, I couldn't find in Talk:List of state leaders in 2016 any ARBPIA warnings on the talk page and I clearly recall no warnings on top of edit page about ARBPIA and 1RR. Can you kindly double check. I would like to appeal this block with pledge that I wouldn't be doing any edits related to List of state leaders in 2016 till the conclusion of RfC. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 15:14, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
I've unblocked you. You are correct about the Talk page and the warning when you edit the article. I have spent the last several minutes trying to figure out what I saw and where, but I've been unsuccessful thus far. I may continue to investigate my own error, but it's unfair to keep you blocked while I do so. My comments related to 3RR and edit warring are still apt, but that wasn't the basis of the block, so it would be inappropriate to retain the block based on something else. My apologies.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

I reverted your changes at the article-in-question, per WP:BRD. It would be best if you didn't make such changes again, until you get a consensus for it at the Rfc you've opened :) GoodDay (talk) 15:44, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

February 2016

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Belated notice, apologies for that. --Neve–selbert 13:39, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

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WP:STATUSQUO

Read the third paragraph. You are breaching policy. --Neve–selbert 13:04, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

This edit will be undone after 12:45, 12 February 2016 (UTC). You are deliberately disrupting Wikipedia to make a point (as per WP:POINT). On top of that, per WP:WEIGHT, the current revision is blatantly wrong and inflammatory. This edit was suddenly made out of the blue at 08:36 on 9 February—yet you are falsely making it look like I am the one imposing any provocative changes. We should be keeping the established status quo until any agreement is reached. Otherwise, the Rfc could indeed be biased in favour of no changes, an oxymoron in its own right. --Neve–selbert 14:24, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

@Neve-selbert: According to Wikipedia:Edit_warring#The_three-revert_rule which you pointed me to, reverts just outside 24-hours are also violation of policy. Digging further into status quo policy... Spirit Ethanol (talk) 14:37, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

According to the Before starting the process section of the Rfc guidelines, we should have thoroughly discussed the matter with any other parties on the related talk page, before jumping to an Rfc. You seem to exude poor management skills, and the Rfc was premature. I strongly suggest you withdraw the Rfc, and instead discuss the matter in a civilised way via normal discussion per WP:DR.--Neve–selbert 07:04, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Page moving

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Also, do not move an article to a title that doesn't follow MOS:DASH as you tried to do at Latakia offensive (2015–present). In fact, as you're relatively new, you might want to run all of your page move suggestions by the article Talk pages first for the immediate future. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:10, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, will follow in the future. Fixed other page I recently renamed to Zika virus outbreak (2015—present) with MOS:DASH. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 08:20, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

February 2016

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List of state leaders in 2016

Just curious. Why would you want to relist the Rfc, after it's closed? GoodDay (talk) 14:38, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Discussion still ongoing, with possibly more editors who might want to weigh in. A request has already been made at WP:AN for RfC closure.. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 14:55, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic List of state leaders in 2016. Thank you.--Neve–selbert 01:07, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Please withdraw your report. I duly promise not to make the edit again. I have opened a new Rfc, and you are surely welcome to comment on it.--Neve–selbert 13:12, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Dude.

Don't start an edit war, man. DON'T! If you start one, we can both end up blocked, dude! Zakawer (talk) 19:50, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Archive link

This archive link works fine[8] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:31, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

@Doc James:, Thanks! Submitted a bug report to User:Dispenser/Checklinks. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 05:50, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Perfect. I know someone is building a bot to automatically add archive links for all urls. Hopefully it will be done soon. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:47, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Ping at Neve's talk

I've already left a note at EdJohnston's talk.--TMCk (talk) 00:24, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Kosovo

There was no consensus for moving the Kosovo entry from Serbia. If you would like the status quo to change as per Palestine, please discuss this on the talk page in a civilised and rational manner. Per WP:STATUSQUO policy, I had to revert your edit to the last revision by GoodDay. Thank-you.--Neve–selbert 10:38, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Your claim that a standalone Kosovo entry adheres to WP:STATUSQUO is absolute hogwash. From 1 January to 18 March, Kosovo stood underneath the Serbia entry. You then proceeded to change it on that Friday without any consensus for it whatsoever. You are laughing straight in the face of WP:STATUSQUO.--Neve–selbert 11:00, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

2016 Allama Iqbal Town

Why your are redirecting 2016 Allama Iqbal Town blast to 2016 Lahore suicide bombing. The article 2016 Allama Iqbal Town blast was created before 2016 Lahore suicide bombing. You also removed speedy deletion tag. Why?

2016 Allama Iqbal Town blast

You redirected the article 2016 Allama Iqbal Town blast to 2016 Lahore suicide bombing. Im reverting your edit because it is nominated for deletion. Please don't revert my edit instead discuss on talk page.--Musa Talk  18:04, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

@Musa Raza:, @Spirit Ethanol: If necessary leave everything as it is until we have consensus in the talk page. I would prefer to have a preliminary merge of all necessary pages so that two aren't being amended separately. Can we at least achieve consensus before blindly charging around deleting everything. Merge all pages. Hold a discussion on Talk: 2016 Lahore suicide bombing. Achieve consensus. Move forward. tl;dr we need to work together not against each other. @Musa Raza:, @Spirit Ethanol: Mr rnddude (talk) 18:40, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Please read this following section

See Palestinian National Authority#2013 name change. The Rfc applies to articles from 2013 onwards. Please respect the result of the Rfc.--Neve–selbert 18:35, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Alright, so now you have reverted me. Abiding by my self-imposed WP:1RR, I won't revert you again. Now, reply to me here. What is your reasoning?--Neve–selbert 18:37, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

@Neve-selbert: Topic is already under 1RR, please discuss on 2016 talk page if you have questions about consensus... Baking Soda (talk) 18:39, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Per WP:BRD, please kindly self-revert and discuss these proposed changes.--Neve–selbert 18:41, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
@Neve-selbert:, If you have any questions about RfC consensus results, feel free to inquire on 2016 page. Baking Soda (talk) 18:50, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Again, please read WP:BRD! It says that "if your bold edit gets reverted, do not revert again. Instead, begin a discussion with the person who reverted your change to establish consensus." Why are you so unable to just oblige with Wikipedia policy?--Neve–selbert 18:52, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
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