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If you find yourself needing to discuss a topic, as today with History of Arda, please note that the right thing to do is to take it at once to the article's talk page, where opinions can be aired freely. It's no good doing it alongside edits (as edit comments) in the article itself, as this means making repeated edits, each of which promotes immediate reversion, easily resulting in edit-warring. This is obviously undesirable.

On sourcing, the situation here on Wikipedia is radically unlike what you may have experienced on Middle-earth forums and chatrooms, where people naturally assume that Tolkien is the authority. Here, Tolkien is the primary source, which means he can be quoted to tell people Tolkien's view: but nothing else. For an article to work, reliable secondary sources are required, which means citing scholarly books and articles, newspapers and suchlike. The scholars and critics have their own viewpoints, and crucially, it is these that establish "notability", i.e. whether a subject deserves to have an article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:11, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Scholars are Robert Foster and J.E.A. Tyler. David Day who actually "invented" the term "Ages/Years of the Lamps" is not a "scholar", but a specualative sribber whose works are not recommended by, for example, Bratman. Both Foster and Tyler never used this term just like Tolkien himself, so Day's fakes are entirely non-canonical.

Besides, you pointed out that "I can't make names up". Okay, but this is exactly what David Day did! He made names up. Foster and Tyler did'n made names up. I probably made up, however my insinuation is supportted by Tolkien's abbreviation YV (Year of the Valar) which he used to chronicle the events before the Trees bloomed for the first time after which he chronicled following events with an abbreviation YT (Year of the Trees) EXCLUSIVELY. -- 94.25.181.241 (talk) 11:39, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for discussing; there is all the difference in the world between things cited to statements by scholars, critics (and even flaky popularisers like Day, though I carry no candle for him), where those statements are published in reliable sources like books and journal articles. Editors are not allowed to "make things up", indeed: WP:OR applies. The other obvious point is that a term like "Years of the Lamps" can be seen simply as a label for a topic under discussion: we do not have to suppose it are "official" or "canonical" terms, or anything of that sort, just a useful shorthand so we know we are discussing the same thing.

I will not thank you for simultaneously reverting to AGAIN inserting your change to History of Arda, a change which you KNOW is not agreed; and further, you have repeated the exact behaviour that I told you above was "obviously undesirable", making unagreed changes against opposition, supported (if that be the word) by yet another essay-length edit comment: that is reprehensible, and I will now issue a formal warning against such behaviour. Sanctions are available. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:16, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, since this matter has not been resolved by 1:1 discussion, I'll stop editing (indeed, watching) here, and will copy the relevant parts of this to Talk:History of Arda for the community to consider. If you have anything further you want to say, please say it over there, as nobody will notice it here.

Happy editing! Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:05, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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