User:Tibetan Prayer/September2009

Onegi Obel

Let me look at the article. It will take me a few days to come up with an answer.Fsmatovu (talk) 21:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Mountain

If you tried doing that, all that would happen is get your hand grubby. Simply south (talk) 22:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Karl-Josef Laumann

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Ludovic Lamothe

The Ludovic Lamothe is an awesome and very interesting article. Thank you - I had never heard of him before. Cheers, John Hill (talk) 04:06, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Stuff

well I more or less did what I could on the Alba ones. Did you see my note at Template talk:Infobox Russian inhabited locality? Rich Farmbrough, 04:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC).

DYK for Archaeological Museum of Chania

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DYK for Argos Archaeological Museum

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NW (Talk) 17:22, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Ludovic Lamothe

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Staxringold _talk^contribs 23:22, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Amphoe

Could you have a look at Infobox Amphoe? I converted the backend to use {{infobox settlement}} and the next step is to perform the mass substitution, but I wanted to make sure that it's what you had in mind first. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 23:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

re: Break, Break, Break

Another editor has found a pic and a refernce. It's sad to see a clearly notable film (albeit with a lack of online references) heading for AfD. Although turning a negative into a positive, it's actually meant article expansion (and likely keep) instead of delete! Lugnuts (talk) 08:38, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Titles of administrative divisions in Korea

Hi, your input would be appreciated at WT:KOREA#What would be proper titles for eup, myeon, dong?. Thanks.--Caspian blue 14:11, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Expansions

Nice work, thanks. Amazing at how easy it is to do that kind of expansion, if only you want to work at it a bit.

Speaking of expansions...try this one on for size - I just listened to something of his last night, and found that I quite enjoyed it. Anyhow, I may get back to article creation sometime soon - we'll see. I still need a bit more of a breather, I think. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Now that looks nice. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 15:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps this afternoon - once my errands are finished. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 15:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

FP candidate? Perhaps not - it's a tad small, I think. I doubt it'd pass muster, sadly. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 23:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Again - while it's a nice shot I think it's a bit small for FP, unfortunately. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 20:49, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Possibly - not tonight, most likely, but perhaps tomorrow. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:58, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Dion Archaeological Museum

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Mifter (talk) 23:21, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Infobox settlement

Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Standardisation on Infobox settlement. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 03:01, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello

A name change! YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 06:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Infobox Australian Place

I think you made the right call, in closing the TfD for {{Infobox Australian Place}}. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 14:15, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Mioldova geo stub

See you found it. No reply necessary. Rich Farmbrough, 16:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC).

Quebec stubs

Sounds reasonable. I've dropped a note on Shawn in Monteral's talkpage, as he's the expert on all films Canadian. Lugnuts (talk) 18:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

I'm sorry the Infobox Settlement TfD and subsequent discussion ended up becoming so antagonistic. It's clear you've been working hard to bring in infobox standardisation and it must be quite disappointing that the caretakers of various regional infoboxes didn't see this it as enough of an improvement to accept moving away from their region infoboxes. This message is just to say thanks for the effort. The proposed infobox is really well done and I think it'll be extremely useful regardless of whether it's a universal standard or just used in certain regions. Cheers Donama (talk) 01:47, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Goodness gracious!

Hi, hi, hi! DYK I can hardly keep up with all your activity! (lol!) The photos are incredible and certainly deserve to be uploaded - they will make a significant contribution to Wiki Commons. How can we do it so we are not overlapping? How about I start on the last page and go from there?

About Pabongka - I have just added a couple of references and put the reflist tag into a Footnotes section and made a small addition (another form of the name). Will try to get back soon to add more to the (already very good) article.

You certainly have made a lot of DYK entries recently - congratulations!!! How do you find the time to eat and sleep? But then, I am forgetting that you are the former Doctor of Evil and probably sold your soul to gain such powers. Nuff said!

Look forward to hearing from you. I might start on the last page of the photos first (I like going backwards) but let me know if you have a better or more convenient way of avoiding overlap. Cheers, John Hill (talk) 04:29, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Help!

I can't figure out the easiest way to upload the images from Flikr and insert all the information correctly. I have never done it before. Could you walk me through it please? John Hill (talk) 05:07, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

UK films

I think it's working - check out The Frightened Lady. Have a good day. Lugnuts (talk) 07:16, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

articles on towns and villages

You have created countless articles on towns and villages. I noticed, when patrolling the back of the new pages log, entries like Ad Dafa', which seem to be based solely on Tageo.com. Sadly, that is not a reliable site at all, it seems to be based on the same database as fallingrain.com, which lists existing towns and villages together with streets, trailer parks, variant spellings, ... I can't judge whether these Yemeite villages are true villages or not, but I can judge the entries on Tageo for Belgium, and these are worthless. For Belgium, many of theit entries should never have an article, and many others should only exist as a redirect. Obviously, if you have other, independent verification for the articles you create, there is no problem, but otherwise we should just delete them and start over from a reliable source. Fram (talk) 11:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand your reply (on my talk). I now that you haven't created these articles with this account, but since the other account redirects here, I discuss them here. If you mean that no, you don't have anymore sources for these article, then I will have to delete them (well, start a deletion discussion about them somewhere, I don't exactly have the right to outright delete them like that). If you meant something else, could you please rephrase your reply? And I am not complaining about whatever articles you are creating now, judging from the DYK's you are doing a great job, but the articles I mention are less than a month old, so not actually ancient history... Fram (talk) 11:26, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, and agreed. I'll see about merging these into lists (except those that have additional info). IF knowledgeable authors come along, they can still flesh out the good ones and delete the bad ones if needed. Fram (talk) 11:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. It should be noted that database is *chronically* unreliable, containing thousands of cities or towns which do not exist / have never existed, errors regarding the location of the ones that do exist, and it is nearly 40 years out of date (it's based on US military data I believe). While not terribly reliable itself, Google Maps or a reliable regional atlas should be used to ascertain both the name and location of places before addition. I would support their deletion if this is the only source. Orderinchaos 03:59, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Pushpin maps

No problem. I've finished for now as it's 1am local time and I've got to be up at 7am! Cheers for the barnstar BTW. :) Bidgee (talk) 15:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Re

Oh yeh she really is a beautiful lady. See another beautiful lady dancing here. Shahid • ^Talk2me 17:07, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeh there's definitely a resmblance. Hey so what's your opinion of Zinta's new look. Shahid • ^Talk2me 21:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Well there were some more or less 1000000 linkups since then, but anyway. LOL!! Media is such a crappy thing ain'y it. Shahid • ^Talk2me 21:25, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Your work is as amazing as always. Only now did I notice your message. Shahid • ^Talk2me 15:51, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree, Jolie has also matured beautifully during the years, she is now much more gentle. Shahid • ^Talk2me 14:35, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

LOL right! Shahid • ^Talk2me 20:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Alma, Palestine

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≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 17:21, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Ecaterina Nazare

The article Ecaterina Nazare has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Non notable actress, with seemingly one major role. If not delete, suggest redirect to film.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the Proposed Deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The Speedy Deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and Articles for Deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Nice! Two minor things: I don't see a point to the picture (are we going to add it to every article on a TNB actor?), but neither will I remove it; if you please, when creating/reviewing such articles, would you consider removing the vague "Romanian actors" category and replacing it with "Romanian film actors" and "Romanian theatre actors" as applicable? The rest of my copyedits imply a familiarity with Romanian and are mostly cosmetic - thanks for calling onto me. I would add info from more sources (particularly given the message above), but I'm working on other stuff at the moment. In any case, the present form should do for a start. Regards. Dahn (talk) 10:59, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

But thqat's probably because we anticipate, whereas others would rather not build the web. We're getting there, inshallah. Dahn (talk) 12:52, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Erm, what are we to do with this? Dahn (talk) 17:59, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Presumably. It's her first name, and it's shared with some tens (hundreds?) of notable women. No need to redirect to her. We could create a dismbig, but I for one see little point in disambigs for first names. Dahn (talk) 18:25, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Then please do, maybe as a name page. See for example Bogdan, which you could use as a template. Dahn (talk) 18:30, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

In reference to what? If you mean this comment, it was not in reference you adding it, but to the practice of adding it - I assume you followed in good faith a fad started by other users, and that's what I was referring to as "hybris". Apologies for that, and admittedly I had no more space available in the summary to use on that further explanation. Dahn (talk) 22:10, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, I was in a jam: the page was likely a blunder, but I didn't want to fix it myself - since I have objections to raise against first name disambigs. Yes, I made some blunt comments yesterday on other issues, but that's because I kept seeing another editor making the same mistakes over and over and over again. Dahn (talk) 12:48, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

You gave me scare: for a moment there, I thought you meant that adding the source was incorrect. But, yes, I see what you mean, only it's daunting (and you've already been so painstakingly patient with that!). I was thinking of expanding a random new commune article way outside of Banat, as a pattern of sorts, but I'm all tangled up in other goals I've set for myself. (Yes, I know, I'm always doing something else...)

On the other hand, when they're stubs, just how much should we go out of our way to improve them? We aren't going to do much with that editing, and, at least in the cases of communes spread throughout the Bărăgan, they have got to be among the least visited articles around. So we're getting there at some point, and we'll name them as they jump out the window :). Dahn (talk) 14:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I can't promise a vigorous effort, but I will correct numbers as I see mistakes. And you're right, they're often off by a couple hundred; this site has the good data. Two years till the next census, and we'll start all over again. - Biruitorul ^Talk 14:24, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I can't help but point out the paradox of us worrying about these articles being updated to the day and exact to the decimal, when there are articles out there entirely sourced with the 1911 Britannica :). Dahn (talk) 15:24, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

For your consideration

Eastern Caribbean Supreme Court needs a good deal of work; it looks like a number of justices are listed as being from the wrong countries. I want to take a stab at it myself at some point, but I have other work to do today and probably won't get around to filling some redlinks until this evening. Meantime, fancy having a stab at it? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 15:22, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

It's OK, thanks - it's happened to me on occasion as well. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 16:42, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah, well - no worries. I'll try and get onto it sometime today. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I've seen some of what you've done on it - looks great! --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:17, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Sure thing. Anyhow, I'll be home tonight, so I'll try and make some repairs to the Supreme Court article. I can't do anything tomorrow, as I know I'll be gone the whole day. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Ethiopia location map.svg ...

... has just arrived. NNW (talk) 19:47, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I was quite surprised when I revised Ginir to see an entirely different & vastly more detailed map of Ethiopia appear! (I was wondering who was responsible for this. I guess it wasn't SPECTRE this time. ;-) As for the templates, that is something I've thought about doing but haven't gotten around to it. Is there a particular template in use at this time you'd recommend? -- llywrch (talk) 20:06, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Your example for the Afar Region works for the Ethiopian Regions with a small number of subdivisions, but for the larger ones (e.g. the Oromia Region) it might be better to have two templates: one for the Zones, & the other for the woredas in that Zone. Let me think on it. -- llywrch (talk) 20:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Another problem is that the list of woredas in Wikipedia is current as of 1994. (The sources I depended on never updated that level of subnational administrative units, & it was only about 6 months ago that I obtained a reliable list for the most recent units.) Some of these woredas no longer exist. I'm working on a way to show both current & former units, & the relationships between them. Maybe one of these days I'll find the time to work out a test draft. -- llywrch (talk) 20:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

What makes it even more of a challenge for Ethiopia is that these will be changed, & the information does not get updated in a prompt & public way. (I get the feeling that not even government officials inside Ethiopia always have the most up-to-date & accurate information!) One more reason my work on this goes so slowly. -- llywrch (talk) 20:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, a lot of what I have found has been due to brute force. Find a website that looks useful, then add content as I read thru it, & hope nothing changes before I have finished mining it. A lot of African countries have government materials online now, & never underestimate the value of digging thru sites maintained by groups like Human Rights Watch, various famine relief groups, & religious organizations who do missionary work. They're often full of chaff, but that's how I find useful information I would not have learned about otherwise. (Like Mengistu fled the country, a number of Ethiopians went into their National Parks & started shooting endangered wildlife with their assault rifles -- I expect it was because they couldn't shoot him. Others simply moved in because the hunting & the edible plants was abundant enough to be a step up from where they used to live.) PS, some of the results of the Ethiopian census of 2007 was made public late in 2009, so don't be surprised if the Liberian one for 2008 is not released until December of this year -- or early in 2010.) -- llywrch (talk) 21:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

In answer to your question about coverage of towns in Ethiopia, the reason the coverage is so "uneven" is in large part due to sources -- & in lesser part due to how much time I have to work on them. (I used the quotation marks because have managed to write articles on most of the towns in Ethiopia with a population greater than 20,000, & most with a population greater than 5,000; the red links point to truly small habitations!) For about 750 towns, I have the material of the 1994 Ethiopian census & more recent population estimates -- which provides content for about 2-3 paragraphs. For a much smaller number -- say 300 -- I have found material on their history which can sometimes augment the article beyond a stub. In very few cases -- less than 100 -- have I found further material of interest, such as weather or local sports teams. I'd rather not create articles that have too little information to be useful -- doing so leads to spending time in AfD that I'd rather devote to writing (as you know too well). Whether it is the best approach, I've come to let my material dictate the articles I create at this time. While it does mean that Tergol remains a red link for the moment, it also means I can quickly turn stubs that the less tolerant would like to nominate for AfD into respectable articles -- have a look at what I did last night with Ambabbo & Mulu. (I have notes on several more which one of these days, after I get completely unpacked from my recent move, I'll try to create.) -- llywrch (talk) 17:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm surprised that there is so little on Guigba. At first glance, I would assume that it was occupied in Roman times -- which means there would be at least one archeological paper about the town &/or its environs. And another line of investigation would be if there was any French colonists living there before Algerian liberation, which would mean information about it in the 1930s, 40s & 50s -- too bad I don't speak/read French, otherwise I could answer my own questions. -- llywrch (talk) 18:49, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound as if you had to fix that article immediately; just giving you my immediate reaction. The problem with Wikipedia is that there is always so much to do, & so little time (or knowledgeable volunteers) to do it. :-( llywrch (talk) 18:57, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Ugandan Award

Thank you for the award and for the words of encouragement. I am honored.Fsmatovu (talk) 22:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Re

The source was the Romanian Wikipedia. Mario1987 15:55, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that i will be able to edit because from where i see the incident with Dahn will be fatal :) for me and i will get a permanent ban. But nontheless i started to edit my hometown of Călineşti-Oaş and for a beginning i say it looks ok for now. What do you think? Mario1987 16:04, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the words of encouragement and if this incidents passes by with no blockings i promise you i will try to expand all the communes articles (expecially in my own county) that i have created. Cheers and thanks again. Mario1987 16:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Culture of Tunisia

Saw the article at DYK. Simply an amazing expansion. Good gracious, People would queue up to request expand their own counties' culture articles. Keep up the brilliant work.--Chanaka L (talk) 02:13, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Re:Forests

With a major delay (which was justified by various stuff dragging me away), you're welcome. I thought it was more efficient and more in line with your request to edit first and reply later - please tell me you didn't mind. Dahn (talk) 04:57, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Uganda

Initially faced? I note that one of his articles was tagged for speedying not more than a week ago. It's really unfortunate; it's like nobody's given a chance to actually expand anything anymore. That's the mindset that's kept me from coming back to article creating, frankly. I don't want to create something small, but sourced, and leave it for others to expand, because I know what the response is going to be. And I don't have the time, or the gumption, to do anything more in-depth, though I've got a list of things I want to work on. Seriously...whatever happened to WP:BOLD? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 05:00, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the support, as always. I'll probably get back to stubbing stuff sooner or later; it'll take some time, though. Especially since work has picked up again of late...though we're in a bit of a lull now. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 15:36, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree - there's a lot that shouldn't be ignored, but is being ignored. I think I might start focusing in on Caribbean politicians, actually...it seems like there's fertile ground there, should one choose to start digging. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 14:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Valley of the Kings (Tibet)

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Congratulations on the DYK!

Good on ya, mate! Great work, thank you! The "Do you knows" are such a great way of enticing many more readers to enjoy certain articles, and I just love to see any which draw people into more involvement with ancient history and, particularly, Tibet and anything to do with the Silk Routes. If I can find the time (I have a guest full of guests at the moment), and am not too sore, I will do an article soon on the Old Tibetan Annals. I may also expand and add some references to the Valley of the Kings (Tibet). It seems I keep coming across articles which should have a link to them. All my very best wishes. Keep on truckin'! John Hill (talk) 14:02, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi again!

I have just made some changes to Valley of the Kings (Tibet) - especially by adding a blockquote near the beginning and making some redirects for names of kings to link kings named in the article, and also added a Footnote section and a couple of references. If you have time - please do check the changes and adjust them if necessary. I was going to do more - but it is almost 2.00 in the morning here and I am really tired. We could indeed do with some more editors for all this Tibetan and related stuff. Surely there is a fairly large number of dedicated and interested readers out there? Time for some more painkillers and an attempt at some sleep, my friend. Nuff's nuff! Will try to look at the other articles you have been working on tomorrow. All best wishes,John Hill (talk) 15:51, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Culture of Tunisia

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Duped?

Did you realize that this template creates a compass table ala {{Geographic Location}}? It has nothing to do with {{infobox settlement}}. It appears no one actually looked to see what the template did. I am now wondering how many people are voting with knee jerk reactions rather than actually inspecting the template being debated. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 05:34, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Pabonka Hermitage

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Refs

How so? Without a reference, how can you be 100% sure whether a place in an urban-type settlement, a town, a village, or any of other fifty-plus types of localities? Most people don't even know the difference between an urban-type settlement and a "small town", and yet you say that something like that should not be referenced?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 13:51, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

I have no problem suppressing the banner at the top and moving this information to within the infobox until such time when all these instances are referenced. I should also note that it takes about one minute to reference that particular factoid in any given article. Instead of hiding our incompetence/laziness, shouldn't we strive to actually add the references instead?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:04, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

But this is precisely why the articles using the format of the old (city-only) infobox have "inhabited locality" turned on in the infobox by default... and it doesn't flash "citation needed" needlessly either (see Dalnegorsk, for example). The problem in reality is far less in scope than you seem to believe? The locality type in the banner is filled out by the new "inhabloc_cat" parameter; if one uses it to replace the default "inhabited locality" specifier, one might as well find a reference to go with it. Otherwise, the default specifier works just fine.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:15, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, what's "okaced"? Sometimes you type way too fast :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:11, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Anyway, here's my take on the issue of having a "citation needed" tag displayed next to town/urban-type settlement/rural locality designation in the banner. If one wants to make oneself useful and add an infobox to an article, one can gather all the information one has access to and pack it neatly into the infobox. If one doesn't know the exact category an inhabited locality falls under, one can leave that piece out, in which case the banner will display "inhabited locality" (without "citation needed"). If one does want to clarify the specific category, one should be prepared to back up his or her claim with sources. That goes for any piece of information, really, not just for stuff people add to infoboxes. In other words, if you say that a place is a "town", please kindly support that claim. If you can't/don't have time/don't have sources/can't be bothered, then please kindly either accept the fact that it's going to be tagged as unsourced and, if that's not an option, just do not add that claim at all. As you know, any unsourced claim can be removed if references can't be provided. You are welcome to remove the unsourced designations from the infoboxes if you find the citation request too obtrusive—that doesn't require much time at all and it is everyone's right to remove uncited information on sight if it is believed to be detrimental to the quality of the article.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:23, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Ah, not on my keyboard, so I couldn't figure it out :) What do you say in response to the rest of the rant, though?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:05, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I obviously can't disagree with that :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:22, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Well, yeah, but you are forgetting we are all volunteers here. If one doesn't give a damn about Russian towns but is interested in soccer, who are we to order them otherwise? In contrast, I am sure there are a million things more important than minor Russian towns that we could be improving instead :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:23, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not saying minor Russian towns aren't important (or why would I choose to waste enormous amounts of my own time working on them?), I said there are other things which are more important (and which we could choose to edit instead). Like larger Russian towns, for example. Or an overview article about the administrative divisions of Russia (which are different in every federal subject). Or this not-so-little project which I mostly abandoned after getting to 1764 for perfectly good reasons a couple years ago. One chooses to work on what one has means to work on. I do have means to work on the articles about something like Vladimirsky Lager, but we can't assume everyone else does. If someone tells you to drop whatever it is you are doing and go work on an important area thataway, what are the chances you'll listen? Maybe the soccer players' stubs will get expanded, maybe they won't. Let's assume good faith here and trust that the guy's in charge got a plan. If he doesn't, having a stub in place is still better than nothing; at least he is going through them methodically without creating a nightmarish maintenance overhead (at least no one has yet complained).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:22, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

What can I say? If you want peace of mind for yourself, I suggest you stop worrying about other people focusing on all the wrong things :) I'm with you on the theory of it, but I don't see what can be done about it in practice.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:54, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Frazione

Proposed new backend here. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 16:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I just converted another one, see here. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

German Intertranswiki

Hello!

If you need any help and/or translations and/or proofreading, I'm glad to help you out. --Blutkoete (talk) 10:21, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Wow! That's a lot to do. But the longest journey starts with a single step. Do you want the articles of the politicians translated that don't have an English article at the moment or the English list with it's 2,192 entries expanded to match the German list (3,816 entries)? --Blutkoete (talk) 10:36, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Kuwait project

Sorry about the delay in responding. For whatever reason, the servers locally are getting bogged down big time lately. I had to spend about 20 minutes and 4 or 5 tries to add a comment to a longish talk page yesterday, and that kind of turned me off trying such until things got better. I have requested that a bot replace the Kuwait banner with the Western Asia banner on appropriate pages, and hope that will be responded to shortly. If it isn't, I can try to set up some sort of redirect to do the same thing, but probably shouldn't try that until Saturday at the earliest. I hope this one gets through on the first try. John Carter (talk) 19:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Possible Hypnotized source

You may wish to include this info if you think it would help the Hypnotized article. Lovely pictures on your page here. Have you listened to either "Sentimental Lady" or "Hypnotized", or have you authored the articles in complete absence of auditory experience? Just curious. It kind of would be like a deaf person writing articles about songs, which is something to imagine, anyway. Perhaps a screenplay would be appropriate for that. Thank you for fulfilling (or at least nearly so) the mission I outlined. -- Thekohser 20:47, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

MPs articles

Hello. Yes, I'll gladly pay the bounty for improving any current MP or Peer to GA. --Re h2g2bob (talk) 13:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey nice!!!

तुम दोस्त धन्यवाद. मुझे आशा है कि आप हिन्दी सीखने जल्दी ताकि आप भारत में नौकरी पा सकते हैं...

I say I wish you to learn Hindi as soon as possible in order to find a job in India!! But believe it or not, my Hindi is terrible.

LOL what's up? Shahid • ^Talk2me 22:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Heehe... Chinese script is indeed very difficult to learn, but I'm sure it's a matter of time.... Shahid • ^Talk2me 10:40, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey Blof. You are absolutely right from 2:15 it is simply amazing - slow and beautiful - thanks. Shahid • ^Talk2me 14:22, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Right back at you

Eh, so and so. I'm a bit on the inactive side for my average, but so is the entire project (apparently). I should be back with a couple of articles not too far in the future. You?

(I'm actually pleasantly surprised that you master the correct "how are you?" in Romanian. With the recent flood of Romanians into... well, wherever abroad... it seems to me that most of Europe has learned the form ce faci?. It's more and more popular in Romania itself, alas, but more of a direct question than a greeting. In old school Romanian, if you ask someone ce faci? instead of ce mai faci?, it's like you're asking them "what is it you're doing [over there]?" Ce mai faci is like, "how have you been?") Dahn (talk) 00:37, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm kinda exhausted now. I took a look at it, and it's brief but okay; I'm not however sure if the citation for the hook counts as a secondary source, and the estimate may not be considered reliable enough for the hook - this is a possible concern. Maybe I'll be back with more "juice" tomorrow (she has been the topic of a lot of debates in these past years), and maybe there's a better hook in the making. Dahn (talk) 00:21, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Cardiff banana yellow

Hi mate, well I designed a range of Cardiff templates - transport, landmarks etc - and just gave them all a different colour. Feel free to change it to sth a little less loud. Welshleprechaun (talk) 18:51, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Well thank you very much. It's nice to be appreciated. Yeh, go for the lesser yellow, or maybe another colour if you want but preferably not one close to the ones used on other Cardiff templates. What is the colour of economy? Welshleprechaun (talk) 21:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Backlogged and...

Extremely distracted. But I will try to give a close look (for real this time). I'm sorry about not being able to help with the last one. Tiamut^talk 20:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I've got holiday obligations to attend to and missed answering your question as a result. lad you found the answer on your own. You will find that there are some cases where the new Jewish settlements built were named the same as the Arab villages they neighboured, which were later destroyed. I'll try to take a look at both, but I will need at least a day. Your continued commitment to these articles is very much appreciated though. Good work. Tiamut^talk 18:34, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Acerno

Good work Explorer... but, if you aren't fluent in italian, I'm not fluent in english. However, I've just apply some edit in Acerno and finally, your translation from italian result very well. Bye :D --Francesco Betti Sorbelli (talk) 20:41, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Ecaterina Nazare

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Re: Alula Engida

Yes, I long considered him the most important Ethiopian personage that didn't have a Wikipedia article. (The others in competition would be Ras Wube Haile Maryam, a warlord of the early 19th century, & Dr. Hakim Warqnah Martin, the first western medical doctor of Ethiopia.) The problem I face at this point is the corollary of the "low-hanging fruit" problem: in many cases, there is no easily accessible outline of these people's lives -- which calls for research, & the usual work at writing, both of which require lots of time. Which is why when I found the article on the Ras on fr.wikipedia, I put in the effort to create one for en -- even though the English article still needs work (e.g., his life after the death of Emperor Yohannes is an important chapter which is barely covered). - -llywrch (talk) 06:10, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Acerno

Ciao! I've revised and added something to Acerno article as per your kind request. Thanks for helping with Italian communes... I see I'm the only one working to them since ages, and most of the contributors usually adds casual stuff in poorly-formatted, chaotic formats. I've put away the uninteresting "ecclesiastical history" (I think also copied from that horrendous, Povish Catholic Encyclopedia) but created a separate diocese of Acerno article where it could be perhaps restored. Let me know and good work!! And, above all, thanks much! --'''Attilios''' (talk) 10:33, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Remind me when you add something new, as my memory this period is soooo poor! Ciao and good work. --'''Attilios''' (talk) 10:59, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

1948-villages

...and I´m back.... As I have said elsewhere; I´m very glad you are now expanding articles, especially that you are doing the District of Safad-villages!

I have started User:Huldra/Sandbox...if you feel like discussing anything about the 48-villages, please do feel free to post on that page. It was really just a page I started to see which villages had articles in other languages (and therefore should really be expanded)...but there are many general issues which could/should be discussed.

And also: when I expand the villages I, unlike you, move "all over"...therefore I really need the template uncollapsed when I´m working on it. I always said this was while it was a "work in progress" ---which is very much is. I hope you don´t mind this too much. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, NSH001 suggested something similar. I think I will try the Jayvd -solution first, though, see if it works. As I said: I will be all over with refs..adding the same ref to all articles, big or small, where it is used...We´ll see how it works. As for Birya: you really waded straight into one of the tougher ones there.... I start of on an easier note, I think.. cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm very sorry to have neglected Arab ash-Shamalina and other 1948 villages these past couple weeks. I've been kind of busy with other stuff lately and my interest in the Arab nationalist leaders of the past is increasing so I've been trying to improve those rather poor articles. Also, school and fasting have kind of gotten in the way. Anyway, I don't mean to throw all of these excuses at you, but Ramadan is over and I'm getting my Khalidi book back tomorrow so I'll get on it then. Cheers and Happy Eid friend! --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:43, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

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DYK for Naqa

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DYKs

WOW congrats - amazing work! Shahid • ^Talk2me 11:44, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh there are too many man - I would want to expand Heaven on Earth (film) for it being a very wasy one to follow. Other than that I'm more towards starting articles about all those Filmfare winners and nominees - whether it's actors, films, directors or producers - after expanding the cateogries many of them are redlinked. Shahid • ^Talk2me 11:54, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

It can't get any better. AMAZING WORK. Shahid • ^Talk2me 13:16, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Bangladesh

You know, this comment of yours makes me very sad. I could expect an angry rant like this from many different people, but not from you (especially not under your new "Himalayan" identity). Oh well, disappointments abound today. At any rate, your comment is not much worse than a hasty "admin abuse" accusation on AN/I (which, I see, you already happily added to, even though it's on an unrelated topic).

All in all, if you wish to assume bad faith about my intentions (which, I hope, are not "to take over the whole Wikipedia and to turn it into a private fiefdom of mine, where I and only I shall call all the shots?"), I have a page specifically dedicated just for that. You are welcome to knock yourself out there; any comment you leave there will certainly be in good company, and I am yet to hold any comment made there against anyone. On the other hand, if you are genuinely interested in why I do what I do, vote a certain way and not the other, why I "troll" TfD with identical comments (maybe because someone else previously "trolled" TfD with identical nominations instead of recognizing a systemic approach and questioning that approach instead?), why I choose to comment on some TfDs but not the others, why I commented on the "settlement" TfDs, whether I do indeed assume bad faith of someone or it just somehow seems so, or even what kind of beer or cheese I like, you are more than welcome to ask me directly and without already having made up your mind about me. I am usually pretty open and forthcoming with my responses, and I usually give those responses the highest priority, even when they consist of accusations I find totally baseless or based on reasons I believe are totally misunderstood. Today, however, having just wasted an hour writing an epic response at AN/I (one which I very much doubt anyone is going to read in its entirety, yet alone trace it back), I have no inclination to respond to your "irrational behavior" insinuations above. If you want an answer, please kindly leave that kind of attitude at the coat check and ask again. Who knows, maybe the answer will surprise you.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:36, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

I'd say if people hounding TfDs with the same message copied over and over bother you, I shouldn't really be your first choice for venting. The diversity of nominations I commented on leaves much to be desired—they don't so much deal with problems specific to each particular template as they (try to) deal with a systemic problem. Since there is no single place to comment on that systemic problem, and the nominator is explicitly against doing so, is that so much a surprise that people have to copy their identical responses all over the place as well?

Regarding the Bangladesh template (which I fully realize was nominated by you and not the other person), I do believe the template could use improvement. I also do believe the maps you were working on are a huge step towards that improvement. However, I am against replacing that template with {{Infobox Settlement}} for reasons which have nothing to do with you or the improvements you've made. I am against the replacement for systemic, fundamental reasons (those being primarily the fact that a "settlement" is not a "district" and that WP:Bangladesh has not explicitly been made aware of the nomination). Since I perceived the BD districts nomination to possess the exact same systemic flaw as all the rest cut-and-paste nominations dealing with similar infoboxes, I opposed the deletion on precisely the same grounds I did for all other similar nominations.

The important thing to remember is that the whole point of any xfD is to gather opinions of people on the matter. The more varied those opinions are, the easier it is to ascertain all implications (although it is not necessarily easier to come to a conclusion regarding what to do with a particular "x" being "fD'd"). With the BD districts—if the template in its existing form does not allow to use better maps, it's a problem that can be fixed. It's not a problem that means the template should go. Maybe the template should go for other reasons, but, having read other opinions, I did not see one strong enough to change my opinion. You realize that even among the cut-and-paste nominations I did not vote to "keep" all of them? That's because I assessed each individual TfD on its merits. I assure you I carefully assessed the BD districts nomination as well, if that's what you are doubting. You don't have to agree with my assessments, but you have no right to deprive me of voicing it. In the end, it is just one opinion out of many, and if it touches only one aspect of the nomination, it should be considered only on the merits of that aspect. Once all opinions and aspects are combined, the closing admin will make a decision that, hopefully, represents a consensus. You, on the other hand, are trying to present my vote as if it's the one that will lead to an outcome that you deem unfavorable. I do not see that as fair.

Would I be happy if you voiced only one little aspect in a discussion that I started? Probably not. Still, I would have looked at the merits of your comment, responded to it accordingly, and hopefully avoided accusing you of "irrational behavior" in the process. Both of us have been with the project for quite some while now; at this point do you really believe I would act "irrationally" on anything? That I would hand-pick TfD nominations of a particular person and oppose them out of spite? I certainly would not make such an assumption about you, no matter how outlandish any particular edit/act of yours may seem on the surface. At the same time, I also reserve a right not to agree with you on any single issue, and acknowledge that you have the exact same right in return. Hopefully, if we pinpoint and discuss such issues, it would be more productive than accusing one another of irrationality.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:37, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

When one is busy copy-pasting responses to nearly identical nominations which someone else helpfully copy-pasted across multiple TfD pages, do you find it surprising that one would first address the same aspect in a nomination submitted by someone else? And do you believe if you just asked something like "hey, Ezhiki, are you sure you wanted to copy-paste the exact same response to my nomination; it is, after all, not exactly the same and I think there are more important aspects you could have considered" (instead of "your irrational behavior puzzles me; your argument is invalid; retract it"), I would not be willing to explain my actions amicably? Explain once again that while your nomination has merits (on which as you correctly pointed out I have not commented on the TfD), it is also subject to the same problem that plagues the nominations which were copy-pasted?

Is the accuracy of a nominated template more important than a theoretical argument about another template's name and scope? Of course it is. Nevertheless, I chose the "less important" one; a choice which, as I see now, is confusing to you. So, here's my reasoning, explained once again as simply as I can: a) a problem with a template can be addressed by fixing a template, not by deleting it (yes, I will add this to my TfD comment per your request); b) the scope of the nominated template is more adequate than the scope of the template that was to replace it. If BD districts were nominated because a better BD districts-specific template were available, I would have said "delete" without much thought. As it is not the case, and as I oppose the use of a generic template for specific purposes, my say was to "keep". It is still. Note that I don't ask you to agree with this reasoning, but I sure hope that you at least see that it is not "irrational".—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:15, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, tell me about wasting time... I had massive amounts of free time last week, which I planned to put to good use by developing the time zones portion for the inhabited localities template. Instead, I got dragged into an AN/I quagmire about a user being blocked. And now this... If this continues, this weak is going to be wasted as well, and I'm gone on vacation the next two! So much for getting things done...

Anyway, thanks for your support on AN/I (I do hope it's not a "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" deal, because if it is, you can retract your support right away and no, I am not assuming bad faith, I just want this to be crystal clear about what's going on in case someone else asks). I have posted a clarification of my vote on the BD districts nomination. While I still oppose the deletion, I have acknowledged that the template has serious issues that need to be addressed one way or the other. Like I said before, mine is just one opinion out of many. Now if you excuse me, I have a three-day watchlist backlog I need to go through. Best of luck,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:32, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Divisions

If separate templates are adopted for "settlements" and "administrative divisions", that would certainly alleviate my concerns (which, I realize, may or may not be shared by the community in general) at least partially. My other two concerns (which kind of got buried in the discussions above) were, first, that each regional template should be brought to attention of an appropriate WikiProject (you can't expect a balanced outcome if only one of the two sides participates), and second, that a generic template (be it for settlements or regions) may be too generic or insufficient for needs of a particular country. Remember Russia and its weird administrative/municipal distinctions which sometimes overlap but often don't? That's WP:RUSSIA's problem; one which generic templates are not very good at addressing (they tend to encourage dumbing down the infobox contents instead of addressing the core issue). Once again, I believe this is something that affected WikiProjects should have a say on. If an affected WikiProject does not oppose usage of a generic infobox (or opposes it merely for emotional and attachment, rather than content, issues), I have no problems with using it.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:01, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, but the administrative/municipal difference is that important. It's not that interesting to most people (even in Russia itself), but it is important nevertheless, and is definitely something an encyclopedia like ours should be sure to take notice of. One of these days, I will eventually write an article about the municipal reform in Russia (at least the second one, which was conducted in 2004–2005); perhaps then it would be easier to explain just how important it is.

I am a big fan of standardization myself, and I spent countless hours trying to think of a way to fit the attributes of the Russian inhabited localities into a generic box. And what I found out is that while it can be done, it can be done only at the expense of quality and coverage. You can't ignore the municipal aspect altogether, because too many things are tied to it. For example, do you know that Russian cities/towns/etc. do not have flags/coats of arms? The municipal formations to which those cities/towns/etc. belong do (and historically this was not the case as the municipal aspect in Russia is still fairly new). Same goes for mayors, representative bodies, etc. And once you start thinking about how to incorporate the administrative/municipal divide into a generic infobox, you inevitably come to the conclusion that while it, too, can be done, it would be done at the expense of bloating the template with a parameters which only matter to one country. To me, it is a no-brainer that a separate template is warranted here. As for other countries, I can't tell, but I would imagine it is all too easy to focus on a common set of parameters (for a generic infobox) and overlook something equally important that only matters to a particular country, and that it is a nightmare to try to organize everything so it works equally well for everything. It is even easier to overlook if the WikiProjects are going to be ignored and removed from the standardization process.

Andy-wise, can't help you there for obvious reasons. I am hardly the person to lecture him now, although I do think that lectured (about the virtues of a discussion) he should be.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:35, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Infoboxes (what else...)

Regarding this and other similar edits, can I ask you to please use the new set of parameters as listed in the template documentation (there is also a city/town specific copy-paste model there for use in articles)? The ones you used are supported, but they are basically the deprecated parameters carried over from the old city/town template. The new parameter names are modeled after those used in {{Infobox Settlement}}, for standardization reasons. Not a big deal at this point, but using new parameters now may save some maintenance headache later. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:05, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Novosibirsk is one (or use the copy-paste model in template documentation). There were a few others, but I haven't got a chance to deploy the new format on a large scale just yet.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:36, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Having all templates referenced like this one is precisely the task on my to-do list I was telling you about the other day. Glad it meets your approval. It may sound cheesy, but your positive comment means a lot to me (unlike another comment, some ways above this one, which I'm willing to forget :)).

One thing I wanted to point out that copying Novosibirsk template might not be a very good idea. It only includes the parameters which apply to Novosibirsk, and they will not necessarily apply to other places. A copy-paste model in the documentation is a much safer bet. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:47, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Chrysotriklinos

Thanks for the comments! To be sure, for the Great Palace alone there are at least further 10-12 articles that can (and shall) be written. IMO, if Wikipedia were to begin systematically searching for and writing articles on the more obscure subjects, it would discover that there are still plenty left. It's just that few people bother with them, as they are less well-known, especially to an English-speaking public, and harder to find good sources on. On the other hand, that also means that we'll always have the joy of creating new articles :) Cheers, Constantine ✍ 18:16, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Avtozavodsky

Just wanted to point out that Avtozavodsky City District, Nizhny Novgorod is not the same as the "districts of Russia" you mentioned in your (well-deserved) praise. This is an administrative district of a large city; a concept completely different and unrelated to the administrative districts of a federal subject. Just thought you'd want to know :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:41, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

I know, it is a city district. I am not stupid LOL! Himalayan 11:12, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Hypnotized (Fleetwood Mac song)

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Himalayan, If you haven't set the record for number of DYK articles within a month, you're close. Wow, and congrats, and keep it up. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:44, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

330 million

Ah, but then that's the million-dollar question, isn't it? That's why I've always been in favor of establishing stub links, however small; I find that they tend to encourage the casual user to contribute more. I know I may be alone in feeling that way, but that's what I've heard from numerous acquaintances when they talk about the site. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 01:04, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

The thing is, I think more people need to view this as an active project and not a passive one if it's to continue to grow well. I think a lot of people read without contributing because they don't really understand what it's all about, and because they don't want to take the time or trouble to read the instructions. There has to be a way of reaching them on a broader, deeper level to get them to think more about contributing, and not merely reading. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 19:05, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah - but at least it's there. It's a start. Anyhow, I'm going to the DC meetup on Saturday; we'll see what kind of discussion we end up having. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 13:56, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Sure - I should be able to do some of that tonight, at least. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 13:44, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Hokay. Anything else you want AWBed? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 13:50, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Responded. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 14:32, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Al Jahra

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BorgQueen (talk) 04:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Tibetan subjects

Oi! you are a hard and busy taskmaster!!! I am very happy to help where I can though. ;^) So far I have been unable to find any more information on Trimön. I suspect this is because of the immense variety of ways Tibetan names are transcribed (and the fact that Tibetans often had more than one name). Will keep looking - if you come across any other forms of his name, though, it might really help. As for "Chomoling" I have found some real information - sufficient for an article. It was, as you correctly stated, relatively very tall and one of four 'Ling Shi (gLing bzhi)' or 'Four Royal Colleges' of Lhasa. In the books I have here it is written Tsomonling or Tsomon Ling (which I think I prefer). If you wish, I could start an article on this institution - or would you prefer to stat it? Do let me know what you would like. If you want to do the article I might be able to scan the appropriate pages and email them to you. Can't do much today though - am too busy. Look forward to hearing from you. Best wishes, John Hill (talk) 07:52, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind reply. Your article on Trimön is very interesting indeed - and thanks for it. Good luck with the DYK nomination. I think a further reason I have been unable to find more on him is that I have little here that covers the period of history between c. 1910 and the discovery of HH the 14th Dalai Lama. I will try to get around to doing an article on Tsomon Ling soon - but I am very tired and sore and overwhelmed with visitors so it may be a few days in the making. Hope all is well at your end of the globe. Cheers, John Hill (talk) 17:52, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Hans Diller

Could I get your opinion here:User talk:Law Lord#Hans Diller? Fences&Windows 01:20, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

File:OutforJustice91.jpg

Hi, is there a reason why you uploaded the same image as File:Out For Justice.jpg? They're both the same quality/dimensions, and if you wanted to change the FUR/source, it could have just been copied to the initial page. Just wanted to know in case there is another reason. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 02:13, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

No idea why. But quoting Seagal's entertaining way of speaking in that film was all the explanation I needed. The original has now been deleted. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 23:09, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Ecaterina Andronescu

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Solomon

I never questioned that {{Infobox settlement}} (IS) can, technically, replace a regional template. With some ingenuity, one can adopt IS to use in articles about national parks, provinces of the Roman Empire, the economic regions of Russia, or whatever else comes your way. In the end, however, just because something can be done does not mean it should be done. Calling IS via a redirect does not solve the core problem—you are trying to fit many different concepts under the scope of one template. When a template becomes too generic, it stops being useful; the trick is to determine the boundaries, and I don't believe IS boundaries should include anything beyond a "settlement" (and even that may be too generic).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 13:46, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Yup, that's exactly where we disagree. While I am all for consistency and standardization, I am also for using clearly defined classes. Like I said, it is not impossible to use IS for many various things, but doing so is fundamentally wrong (and will bite you in the ass in the long-term; trust me on that one). On the other hand, if any particular WikiProject adopts IS for their needs (be it for "settlements" or "fiefdoms of yore"), it is going to be their problem, not mine. I can't be in twenty five million places at once, so from now on I'm going to limit my objections to the area that affects the efforts of the project I'm most involved with (WP:RUSSIA).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:14, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Nope, that particular infobox is an instance of IS; and IS remains a textbook example of how a class should not be defined. You can mask a poorly designed class by manually assigning it attributes to make it look as if it's well-designed (and that's precisely what you did in the Lagos State article), but the core approach still remains flawed.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:28, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

I am not arguing specifics here. Remember, I have already said that it is possible to use IS for a lot of non-settlement stuff? It can work; it's just not right if we are to go about things properly. Nor am I calling your work "flawed". I am, however, calling the premise on which IS is designed "flawed". By extension, putting a flawed concept to use means that every application is going to be flawed at its root. At the same time, the information bits you supply can still be as good as they can ever get. The bottom line: the fact that a hereditary class ("settlement", "province", "district") shares a set of attributes with its generic parent ("populated area", in our case misleadingly called IS) does not eliminate the need to have a hereditary class in place. It may seem meaningless, but in the long term in always pays out, be it because needs to add hereditary class-specific attributes arise, or for the reasons of facilitating maintenance. If you are not seeing it now, I'm not going to badger you about it as long as it does not adversely affect the quality of my own work. You will see it eventually, I promise :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:51, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

I can't speak for everyone who voted, but my reasoning would be that it is always possible to preserve a region-specific box by improving it and fixing its problems. Yes, it might be easier to replace it altogether with IS because there are too many problems or design flaws, but, returning to my original argument—just because something is easier to do does not necessarily make it the right thing to do. By using IS you are addressing short-term problems, but leave the long-terms ones on simmer to explode in your face at a later date. Me, if faced between a necessity to completely re-write a well-defined but poorly designed template and choosing to adopt a generic template instead, I'd choose a re-write any day. It pays in the long term, and "long term" is precisely how long we should be planning to stay around.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:16, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Infobox Settlement

Hi. I'm afraid I'm a bit concerned about your recent edits. There's a couple of problems which probably should be addressed. The main one is that I don't feel that it is proper to refactor someone's nomination at a TfD. I'm absolutely convinced that you meant well, but people have voted on the basis of what it said when it was started. Changing it - so it it looks like they were voting to keep an unused template - is going to be a problem. It would be far better to add a comment saying that you've changed the templates over, rather than changing the nomination.

On that score, I'm also concerned that you've changed the templates over during the discussion, and, to a lesser extent, that you didn't use edit summaries, and that used the wrong edit summaries ("cleanup") in the couple of occasions where one was used. The main problem is that no-one questions that you can replace the templates with Infobox settlement. The question at TfD is whether or not you should. But making the replacement during the discussion, and then presenting it as a fait accompli, you've effectively ignored the concerns of other editors. There are genuine reasons for having multiple customised templates instead of a single generic one, and while the current template-by-template method is far from the best avenue in which to explore this, I feel that we need to let the discussions run their course before making the changes. On those grounds I've reverted your changes, but obviously they're there in the history, ready to be used, once a decision is reached on the TfDs. - Bilby (talk) 14:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

This is not to do with the Australian project. Very simply, there are a bunch of editors having a serious discussion about whether or not a number of templates should be replaced with another one. You then come along, do the replacements, go back to the discussion, refactor the nomination, and say, effectively, "Look! The template isn't being used! Now there's no reason to keep it." It's not the right way of having the debate. Let the debate finish. Then, if the decision is to replace the templates, do so. To do otherwise is to simply ignore their concerns, and that's not how to achieve consensus. - Bilby (talk) 15:09, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

With respect, I'm not trying to prove a point to anyone. I just believe that we owe it to other editors to respect their right to discuss a major change, without then going behind their backs while they're discussing it and making the change anyway. I fully believe that you have the best of intentions here, but you should really let the discussion happen first. And seriously, if the majority of editors disagree with the change, then maybe they have a point. Don't assume that they are just angry about other nominations - Ëzhiki tried to explain the issue, and it isn't just about protecting one's own patch. There are good reasons in systems design to go for specific templates, in this case, rather than generic ones. Standardisation is not good in and of itself, and it needs to be weighed against other factors. - Bilby (talk) 15:19, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

It seems you want to hold the discussion on my talk, so I'll be replying there. - Bilby (talk) 15:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Sudan

You appear to have an unnoticed ability for recruiting people to take on needed projects (despite the above, & no I am 'not being sarcastic)! As for Akobo, the added text there is typical for many African articles: someone in the African diaspora finds his/her hometown in Wikipedia, & adds information without knowing the rules -- & often there is no verifiable RS existing for the material! I am always conflicted about how to handle that information, & always end up treating the submissions far more leniently than I would otherwise. -- llywrch (talk) 16:17, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Sentimental Lady

Hello! Your submission of Sentimental Lady at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! cmadler (talk) 19:17, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Thatsa one spicy meataball

I know. I asked Future Perfect to give me a hand with checking him, but I'm guessing he's got other stuff on his mind. Either way, I'm not sure how to go about this. In any case, the Italian plumber (from Satu Mare) has stopped editing - but evading the block should still be noted, because it shows what lengths this guy is willing to go. I'm really sorry for him, because not everything he did was un-constructive, but he simply doesn't get it that there's a minimal responsibility to editing. Dahn (talk) 20:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure you have the complete image of his disruption. Sure, the inane comment about the inferiority of Romanian living "my side" of the Carpathians was offensive, but the root of the problem was buried deeper in the ground. I hardly knew who Mario was some months ago, when Biruitorul first ask me to look into a claim made by one of Mario's DYK hooks and the related article - I then noticed that this came after Biruitorul himself had found major problems in several of Mario's earlier DYKs. The hook he added claimed that a 17th century book held by a church in (you guessed it) Satu Mare is one of the oldest in Romania - which was not only absurd, it was also not found in the Romanian source he claimed to have used, but (wrongly) deduced by him. The hook would have slipped by with this nonsense had I not noticed - because not even Biruitorul looked into that detail (he was more concerned by the appalling state of the entire article), because not one of the DYK reviewers could read Romanian, and because they keep assuming good faith even in situation where bad faith/incompetence was neatly proven.

Now, as I submit my own hooks for DYK (and sometimes just like that), I tend to shape myself into a reviewer. It so happened that Mario was submitting DYK after DYK during that entire period. This couple with the fact that Biruitorul keeps watch on new Romanian-themed articles and openly discusses with yours truly the problems he sees - some 50% of them were Mario's. That and the seriousness of adding false info on DYK made me want to look closer: I assure you that, other than some of the articles that were lists (which simply had other problems), not one of the DYK hooks he submitted was verifiable - the info either didn't check out at all or was misinterpreted. For example, one claimed that a band which debuted last summer had over 1,000 singles issued and copyrighted - when in fact the source spoke about tunes recorded and never released. One other entry that I remember made Bucharest look like part of Ilfov County. He had hooks referenced with primary and even promotional sources such as press releases. And so on, and so on.

Whenever I began pointing out the problems (something which, admittedly, only a Romanian speaker could do for most cases), he started wildly accusing me of being on his case, and absurdly demanded from me that I help him improve his English instead of pointing out where his mistakes were (like I could tutor him even if I wanted to...). Note that he also understood or depicted the problems related to his interpretation of sources as problems of him expressing himself in a foreign language. Also then, he started pestering me with some rather personal remarks about my place of origin - something which I don't especially mind when it's civilized, but which already profiled me in a stupid attempt to trample on my nerves, and especially when it diverts discussion about relevant, serious stuff. At that point, I already suspected that he did not intend to remedy his editing problems (did not even recognize them), but that he wanted to either intimidate me, tire me, or get "on my good side" and keep going as if nothing was ever wrong.

I also suspected (and still suspect) that he was pushing the envelope on DYKs, FAs and other such accolades in order to gain undeserved editorial status, that he was more about those than content, and that he did this to leave room behind him and the reasons for his first block. He apparently never learned anything from that block, which he had received for a very similar manner of tricks - he was creating himself sockupuppets to promote undeserving pictures (of his or whomever) to FP status.

What really broke the camel's back was this article, which he had up for DYK immediately after creation. As he himself later admitted, he had copied the article from rowiki, and (in the original version) added citations randomly from the source that version mentioned (mentioned but did not cite over there!). It was immediately apparent that he had not even gazed at the book, because he had indicated the wrong publisher (as did rowiki). The book, unbeknown to him, is a reprint of a 1940 volume - when he added his "citations", he used them to support events that took place later in WWII, and even after... He had the audacity to present something he knew he had not researched, something he knew was unverified, for DYK, and have it exposed on main page. This while he was confident that no one could verify his forgery. Since all out encounters resulted in manifest failures of his to understand the basic problems posed by his irresponsibility, since it was the most scandalous and obviously inexcusable sample of his disruption, and since this was already a phenomenon, I decided it was no longer a case of letting it slide. The racist accusations came after, and were part of his defense startegy - which only goes to show you... :|

Yes, I will give you that: he is passionate. Passionate about all the wrong things. It's as a result of his passion that we now have more articles sourced with questionable sources, that Satu Mare is still the only city with individual articles on primary schools (he was able to "start" articles there because he simply copied entries in some administrative database, without caring if they are desired or could be sourced further), trace amounts of bad English in articles that used to be okay, a featured list on a topic that should perhaps never have been covered individually (and is subject to change dramatically) etc. etc. That he likes editing wikipedia I won't contests. That contributions of this kind are needed I sincerely doubt.

(About the bunny case: I noticed that myself, and was planning to do something about it, but I hated the image the of me arguing this alone with the inclusionist usuals and the enthusiastic newbies.) Dahn (talk) 21:36, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

"I don't know if he would intentionally add incorrect information to wikipedia" - ah, but he did, didn't he? And since it's safe to assume that he's socking, how could it be that he learned something from: a) this; b) his earlier block for socking? He doesn't want to add info, he want to promote his region (which region that is I ultimately don't care, but it's telling of his mindset that he thinks I would object to that because it's that region), promote his articles (as flawed as they may be) and ultimately promote himself. It is not something that uncommon in Romania (and other countries, as I'm led to discover each day); consider that the problems of rowiki (plagiarism, inanity, POV pushing) are caused by exactly this type of behavior. I have stories that would blow your mind about what goes on there... You see, in Romania and among Romanians, such behavior is usually unnoticed and sometimes endorsed, for historical and cultural reasons. There's a cog missing at the core in the global awareness and educational process that other cultures only tolerate peripherally. My fellow Romanians fake their information, their credentials and their personal involvement, and - unlike others - don't ever see the problem in doing those things. The problem is someone else's, the problem is with "telling", with preventing people from acting irresponsibly. Other people elsewhere do the same, but they know that they are doing something wrong. People who grow up in Romania and possibly other Eastern European countries see it is a virtue, like they're hajduks fighting oppression. The oppression of common sense. Dahn (talk) 22:12, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Btw, do you mind if I have a try at copyediting this sometime soon? It's a good start, but misses some relevant info (such as it being essentially about this), and I've already read some quite enthusiastic reviews in the Ro press that I could cite when I have more time. Dahn (talk) 23:32, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Sure. It's on my to-do list, but I'm working on some other things at the moment, and (as I just found out) I may have to leave town for a couple of days to a place where my internet access is not a guarantee. Dahn (talk) 21:13, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Well, let's just say I'm more focused on other goals, at least for now: I see these articles as part of a structure, and it's getting to that structure that takes most of my energy and interest for now. It's complicated to explain, but you'll see some results in a couple of months (I hope). Dahn (talk) 20:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Time zones in the Russian inhabited localities infobox

I have added time zones support to {{Infobox Russian inhabited locality}}. I've given it my best shot to test it more or less thoroughly, but, of course, it is entirely possible I have overlooked something. If you see anything broken pretty badly, please revert and let me know.

The time zone field is fed off of the federal subject field. For the Sakha Republic and Sakhalin Oblast, in addition to the federal subject field one of the following fields needs to be (properly!) filled out for the time zones field to appear: adm_district_jur, mun_district_jur, inhabloc_jur, or urban_okrug_jur. Occasionally, a mis-spelling can lead to the "time zones" field to show up but not show the actual time zone information (one example is Abakan). That's easily fixable by correcting the mis-spelling.

If you have some time to have this new feature tested, it would greatly appreciated. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 21:07, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Sure, why not? I thought you were going to try out different color schemes anyway?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:23, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Looks good to me. If you ever come up with a better idea, I'm sure you'll let me know :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:44, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Ranking

Hmm. had a hack at that. [[1]] It doesn't look good. Rich Farmbrough, 00:33, 25 September 2009 (UTC).

DYK for Biriyya

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BorgQueen (talk) 04:21, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Settlement Template

Hi there. I'm not saying that the template is prohibitively complex, I can understand it, you can understand it, and probably anyone that's been around here for a fair bit could work it out. I've more got in mind new users and casual users, who I think are going to struggle adding the template to new articles. There's also the fact that I don't see how the existing diversity of templates is really a problem, some people have opined that the array of choices might confuse users, but to be honest I'm not sure that that is really a significant problem.

I think you will probably agree though that the way the debate has been prosecuted on both sides leaves a little to be desired (and at times, I would even include my own actions under that label) - what with blanket nominations, refactoring, and bad faith comments by some people (not you). I do seem to recall you mentioning adapting the existing templates as wrappers for Infobox Settlement, which I think is a decent idea that offers the best of both worlds; perhaps that is the best way forwrad. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 11:08, 25 September 2009 (UTC). I thnk this is a good way to go. I did something like it with infobox chef2 and infobox person, and of course it's been done with settlement already. Rich Farmbrough, 14:10, 26 September 2009 (UTC).

Template

Hey Blof for some reason someone blanked your template {{Filmr}} - I reverted it. Shahid • ^Talk2me 13:12, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

But it's much easier to use this template as everything is displayed automatically, ain't it? And actually it's the same template as the one you use... Shahid • ^Talk2me 13:17, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Vachan -- first red link from Filmfare Best Actress Award removed. Shahid • ^Talk2me 14:34, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Now that you added a significant note - can this be taken to DYK? Shahid • ^Talk2me 14:56, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

It cannot? Shahid • ^Talk2me 16:41, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

But it's got 2,965 bytes! Shahid • ^Talk2me 16:51, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Blof you made a mistake with Asit Sen, but it's more because of IMDb - they messed up the names. There's Asit Sen the director (who did not act in films at all) and he is the one who directed all the films mentioned in both IMDb pages. And there's Asit Sen the actor-comedian, who was not at all a director (here his IMDb page, and he did not direct any of the movies mentioned out there). It's IMDb's mistake. What shall we do now? Shahid • ^Talk2me 20:38, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

No no no - there are two names only - the director and the actor. That's it. OK - I'll handle it. Shahid • ^Talk2me 20:41, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh here you have it - on Bollywood Hungama - the actor (only an actor), and the the director (who acted in few films only - his Bengali films are of course not mentioned here). Shahid • ^Talk2me 20:55, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

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Wow. I believe the correct response is "whoda thunk?" --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:10, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah...funny how that works, isn't it? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:28, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, I always try to AGF whenever possible... --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:45, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Indeed - very. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:07, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure - it depends on how well people feel it illustrates the subject. Wow factor's there, but I'm not sure about the EV. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Nice - now if only we could get more things to be expanded like that... --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:32, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

OK - I'll get on AWBing today. Sorry - I kind of fell asleep in front of the TV instead of doing constructive stuff. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 08:30, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

And the Greek stuff you asked for is done. Anything else? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:03, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

So I did. Drat. OK - it's easily fixable. But I'm heading out for the evening soon - I'll finish the fixing up when I get home.--Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah - guess I was so excited about AWBing again that I forgot myself. :-) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:15, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

OK - sure. That'll be later tonight, but sure - I'll finish it up for you. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Trimön

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BorgQueen (talk) 20:43, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations once again! Great work! John Hill (talk) 00:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Uganda

Health isn't much of a problem anymore, although dealing with really difficult people can exacerbate it a little, at least making me a lot more testy than I like to be. You haven't seen Sarvagnya around lately, have you? There have been a comparatively few others of that ilk, but I don't have to deal with them that often. Probably the worst of them was topic banned from Falun Gong last month for six months, and that has made that area a lot more peaceful. Anyway, there are about 300-400 unassessed articles tagged for the project, so I can try to get to it after finishing Kuwait. I never knew such a small country as Kuwait had so many articles. John Carter (talk) 22:07, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi again..

.:::Sorry I have taken my time to get back to you; both Naqa and Wad ban Naqa are very nice articles in a neglected area on WP... most African subjects are terribly badly covered on WP. I´ve been doing my little bit, down on the articles in the Lamu Archipelago...(And I am *VERY* proud of that template!!  ;-D )...but there is a lot yet to be done. However, presently I´m working on Bayt 'Itab... with Tiamut...(fascinating history!) As for the other 1948-articles; as Tiamut mentioned some place; most/many of the villagers in the District of Safad-area were nomads...and it is therfore difficult to find written history about them. But if you start expanding any village which was mentioned in the 1596-census, I will certainly try to help. Also, there are many villages with interesting histories in the District of Jerusalem (see the Palestine -family-net site for information..) Hint: the name "Nabi" means "prophet", while the name "Dayr" means "Monastery"...in my experience: villages with names starting with "Nabi" or "Dayr" almost always have a very interesting history...

Oh, and I see that Chesdovi has gone tagging again: Raml Zayta...Tulkarm, Al-Sindiyana Haifa, Umm al-Zinat Haifa, Wa'arat al-Sarris Haifa, Yajur, Haifa, Dayr Nakhkhas.. Hebron, Umm al-Shawf Haifa,....oh well, I guess I have to work on those articles, too! ;D

Pictures: I *love* articles with pictures, and if we could get any from http://www.palestineremembered.com it would be great..If you are in contact with them: suggest sharing? I have a few old post-cards/pictures which I uploaded to commons, like [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7].....I will gladly share them with the PalRem-site..*if* we could get some pictures in return....Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:47, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Netherlands

Trouble is many lack co-ords in the Infobox or altogether. Rich Farmbrough, 00:39, 26 September 2009 (UTC).

I self reverted a bunch then I realised that it was better to wait until I was awake. I did maybe 80 or 90. What about concerns over the 2 locator maps? Where will you get the co-ords from? I have a massive database of co-ordinates from the US government, but the are only accurate to within about 1 minute generally. Rich Farmbrough, 12:55, 26 September 2009 (UTC).

Ok I'm doing the rest that are in Category:Municipalities of the Netherlands which have co-ords, which looks like the majority. I can go through them again later if needs be. Rich Farmbrough, 14:14, 26 September 2009 (UTC).

Any more that are not in Category:Municipalities of the Netherlands? I have maybe 16,000 edits to finish the French stuff, but SmackBot is taking care of that.

As ot the first point, SmackBot has a regular task to add missing Reflist s to articles. As to the scoend if you want ot migrate the village infoboxes form nl.wikipedia.org, we can now do that almost automatically. Rich Farmbrough, 14:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC).

Yes they use

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| soort = Dorp
| naam = Hoorn
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this format. Which is ok apart from he stupid date format - easily translated into settlement. A temporary infobox could either reuse settlement or be a dummy. Rich Farmbrough, 14:33, 26 September 2009 (UTC).

It would be worth moving all the settlement co-oords into infoboxes. Rich Farmbrough, 14:36, 26 September 2009 (UTC).

There's also about 7-800 iuses of {{Dutch locater maps}}. It's never simple. Rich Farmbrough, 14:48, 26 September 2009 (UTC).

"List of Schools in"

Iron age indeed. There was a discussion on having "list of schools in" for every country ages ago which decided that we ought to have them for every country. User Kappa created most of them and I did a few to help. Not sure where the discussion is now but perhaps it doesn't matter. I think there was also a collective AFD which was a resounding keep. However standards change and it is clear no one has much energy to go and do this for countries where WP fails. It might be worth flagging this on WP Geography or Wikiproject Schools or the relevant country wikipage or similar. If not I will not be weeping to see them go. --BozMo talk 06:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

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Hey

Can you believe that Nana Palsikar, one of India's most talented character actors did not have an article on Wikipedia? He also acted in a few Hollywood films and won two Filmfare awards... I started it now... Shahid • ^Talk2me 13:32, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Seen the new ones I created today? - Aarti (film) and Main Chup Rahungi... Shahid • ^Talk2me 16:23, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

LOL I told you that's what I actually planned when I started formatting the Filmfare categories. I started with missing films on the Filmfare Best Actress Award. See the Filmfare Best Supporting Actor Award and the Filmfare Best Supporting Actress Award - so many red links of films and actors. I did not want to create Nana Palsikar now, I planned to do it when I start starting missing pages linked on Supporting Actor, but when I created Main Chup Rahungi in which Palsikar appears, I thought I'd do it right there. Many articles need to be created. Shahid • ^Talk2me 16:37, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeh but it's much easier to star first with the actors who have or have been nominated for some awards. These award categories are filled with red links and therefore there's somewhere to start from and there will alse be what to write about them in their articles because they won/were nominated for awards. If you have nothing to do in the coming days and feel like you want to return to some Bollywood creation, you are welcome to help me, because they are far too many. Shahid • ^Talk2me 16:50, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

If you can and if you want, I quite enjoy doing this stuff myself, even if it doesn't produce DYKs... Shahid • ^Talk2me 17:05, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Pha That Luang

Article of the Lao architecture, Pha That Luang should get more attention

Hey, have you visited Laos before? I just skimmed through the article of this fascinating and big stupa in Laos. It is pity that the article is a stub, so if you're interested, could you expand it up for DYK? Thanks.--Caspian blue 15:21, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, the article looks much better now.--Caspian blue 19:55, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The article still needs 5600 something bytes for DYK...that is a hell lot of job. However, this is now in a nice start article. :-) --Caspian blue 20:08, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

However, I think you can aim a WP:FP credit for the pictures on the article if you touch up a little with photoshop.--Caspian blue 20:09, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Despicable Ugandan crime

Thanks for reminding me of the topic of Uganda. There's a story I've been wanting to work on for about a year now that your comment finally prompted me to start. Unfortunately, a lot of the stories have been removed from the web, but I found at least one page still refers to it. It's going to need a few more references, which I'll try to find in the next few days, but I think there were several stories run on it late last year. Anyway, the "bare bones" can be found at User:John Carter/Ugandan Booby Trap. Can't for the life of me think of any images that might be appropriate, though. ;) John Carter (talk) 17:07, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

OK, I found an image. I've got to get this article good enough for inclusion in the DYKs, though. I think the image would add a certain appeal to the look of that page. John Carter (talk) 17:50, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

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Greece, cont'd

OK, I've done cleaning up after myself, and begun the process of transferring articles into the new categories as requested. I've taken the liberty of moving a number of articles from "X, Elis" to "X, Ilia", as Ilia appears to be the preferred name for the prefecture. I'll do more in the morning, I hope...we'll see how I feel, as right now I think I might have a little cold. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 07:03, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Still, every little bit helps, no? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 14:43, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Excellent - they look good. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:49, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

OK - I did a couple more (Chania is a mess - it needs attention), but I'm going to probably hold off on doing anything else for now, given that I don't feel that much better today. I'm going to try and make an early night of it, primarily because I have to be in the office tomorrow morning, at least. We'll see how I feel the rest of the day; I might even take Tuesday off, which I never do. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 00:54, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm trying, thanks. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 15:31, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

How to remove a harmful Template?

Hi.

Any suggestions as to how I can remove an input script template Eukesh has installed on the Dzongka and Tibetan Wikipedias? I get no response from Eukesh) who (maybe thinking it would be helpful) put this script on the Dzongkha and Tibetan Wikipedias which is supposed to allow one to type Tibetan or Dzongkha by using translitteration - however the script ( based on one for Indic languages) may be well intentioned but was obviously written by someone who understood nothing thing about Tibetan & Dzongkha translitteration and is worse than useless. It is on by default and consequently this script has to be manually turned off via a checkbox with each and every edit. This is bad enough but it also affects the Search /Go To box in the left hand column making that useless. There is no obvious way to turn it off there, and without that search box being functional a Wikipedia is totally crippled. Then people complain that no one is using Dzongkha and Tibetan Wikipedias - this could be one of the main reasons for that sad state of affairs.

I have suggested several times to Eukesh that he correct the script - but that hasn't happened, and also asked him several times to remove it - but that hasn't happened either. I would remove the script myself, but don't know how to. Dou you khave any ideas? I have raised it at the Help Desk - but they say they acan only deal with thing affecting English Wikipedia. There is obviously no Help Desk for Tibetan or Dzongkha Wikipedias - I am one of the only active contributors there. Would appreciate any suggestions you can give me as to how to correct this. Chris Fynn (talk) 14:13, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Edvard Hjelt

Hi Himalayan Explorer, can you have a look at the article on Edvard Hjelt? I expanded it a little, and I think you know a little about him.--Stone (talk) 19:19, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Tibetan beer

Hello again! Here are just a few random thoughts of mine. Things might not be quite as bad as one might first think. The traditional beer Chhaang (made usually from fermented barley or, in the lowlands, rice, or other grains) was, in spite of what the article says, widely consumed both by the laity and (dare I say it?) by monks - though the Gelugpa order, in general, seems to me to have been stricter on its prohibition than some of the other schools (but maybe this is just an impression I have). In the winter it was served hot in brass bowls in chhaang houses (often just run by some family which brewed their own chhaang and reserved a room or two as a sort of makeshift pub).

Chhaang served hot in cold weather is really a delicious drink - often enjoyed by Yours Truly. Additionally, when I was in Tibet in 1993, there were several kinds of very good and very cheap light Chinese beers available in almost every town - as well as a wide variety of stronger liquors.

Aside from the fact that the Chinese companies will undoubtedly be promoting more consumption - I can't get overly upset by this new development. Also, I suspect that many Tibetans are genetically protected from the worst effects of alcohol consumption - like Chinese and Japanese (though possibly to a lesser degree). The Japanese, for instance, while pretty heavy consumers of alcohol have extremely low levels of alcohol-related violence). Certainly I have seen very little violent behaviour amongst Tibetan drunks - they tend, rather, to get jolly and loud and sometimes pass out - but fights or angry arguments are rare compared to drinkers in our society. This is very interesting as it is well known that, although there is a lot of heavy drinking in China and Japan, there is much less associated violence or even what we would call alcoholism than in Western cultures. There is quite a lot of evidence pointing to a genetic basis for this major difference in the effects of alcohol on different racial groups. Here are a couple of links which might be of some interest to you on this subject: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080402071551.htm ; http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/scitech-news/2008/04/09/alcohol-enzymes-differ-across-asian-groups/.

However, I don't want to overstate this case - there certainly are Chinese and Japanese and Tibetan alcoholics and the rate seems to be rising - see, for example http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/38/23/12 . 'Nuff for now, cheers, John Hill (talk) 23:33, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Namilyango

Namilyango is a hill on which there are at least four different schools, the most famous being Namilyango College. The hill is also the location of Namilyango Catholic Parish Church. If the article about the hill is ambiguous, please help me clarify the confusion. Other hills that I have written about recently include Buddo, Mbuya, Naguru and Muyenga. Please check and see if the articles make it clear these are hills, sometimes located within a town or city, but not towns or cities by themselves. Thanks.Fsmatovu (talk) 14:27, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

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Netherlands

OK so this is fun.

1. There is a little discussion at

1. There were still problem articles too like Bergen, North Holland [8]

1. I have imported all the nl infoboxes (set not to show at the moment), and can more or less convert them to settlement boxes, but there will may be a lot of duplicate maps.

I will make a list of the ones to which I have added an infobox shortly, for now look at what links here.

Rich Farmbrough, 00:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC).

DYK for Kolkheti National Park

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Grammar help for GA

There is an article I wrote, Krrish, currently being reviewed. It is currently needing help of grammar corrections. Can you please check the grammars? I really need to make a WP:GA article. Your friend, World Cinema Writer (talk • contributions) 05:37, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Tibetan beer and drinking

Hi again! Just to try to clarify as best as I can about drinking in Tibetan society. First of all, let me emphasize I am no expert on Tibetan drinking - though I have worked (elsewhere - mainly in Australia and Canada) with alcoholics for many years and helped initiate and get programs up and running in Australia aimed primarily at Aboriginal drinkers. The Tibetans I lived among were mostly exiles and refugees living in Dharamsala and cannot be taken as typical of Tibetans living in pre-1905s Tibet - especially considering the incredible stresses and new conditions they lived under. That said, here are a few personal observations.

A monk or a nun typically takes a set of sacred vows prohibiting the use of mind-altering substances. These rules do not, however, apply to laypersons (unless they have taken specific vows - which some do). Many, if not most, laypeople do drink (and I think this was also probably the case in Tibet before the Chinese invasion - especially at festivals, etc). Certainly, when I attended the "Yoghurt Festival in Lhasa in 1993 there were many people drinking there in family groups - and quite a few were drunk, but I saw no violence or serious arguments.

And even as regards monks and nuns, it must be kept in mind that some Buddhist sects are far stricter than others in this regard - and also, like any community with rules, there are always those who break them. In addition, there were in "traditional" Tibet many wandering monks, nuns, ascetics of various kinds, Bon practitioners, sorcerers, soothsayers, shamans, etc., and some of these used alcoholic drink and other drugs such as charas or hashish - sometimes for social purposes and sometimes as aids to reaching certain mental states. Again, certain exceptions were made in even quite strict religious orders for people involved in particular techniques or training (especially tantric techniques), and shamans and oracles also used them to induce particular trance or other states conducive to their practices.

This is not to say that most monks and nuns (and probably a lot of laypeople as well) were not strictly abstemious - I feel this was and still is true - but I have no real data to back up what really are just my own personal observations.

And, finally, I should point out that, when I mentioned earlier that when I was in Tibet in 1993 there was "light" Chines beer available quite freely - I meant light ales - not that they were "light" in terms of alcohol content. Also, in the larger towns there were many well-patronized bars and night club-type joints with all sorts of liquor available. Now, many, probably a majority of them catered mainly to the Chinese military and administrative personnel - and many of these establishments were also clearly operating as brothels. But there were many drinking establishments which catered mostly to Tibetans - see the photo: File:Potala image in bar.jpg in WikiCommons (I can't remember off-hand which article I stuck it into at the moment).

Oh, and by the way, do have a look at the amazing "Police Attention" sign which I have pasted into the article on Nyalam Town and the one on "Tibet since 1950". Please keep any unhealthy thoughts to yourself! :^)) Cheers, John Hill (talk) 11:28, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

formatting AfD !votes

Pls Remember to start with a bullet: "*" DGG ( talk ) 12:18, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

and pls be a little more discriminating in what you defend. Purely by accident, some of them are non-notable. DGG ( talk ) 12:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I see you did refrain from comment on some. sorry about that -- Thing is, it helps in a case like this to make it as strong as possible. DGG ( talk ) 12:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Eh, this one's always been borderline. My argument for keeping would rest on the fact that it's been kept in the Estonian Wiki for so long, but I can see the argument for deletion. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 16:57, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Aberra Molla

Thanks for the head's up on this, although I don't know if my comments were constructive in this discussion. -- llywrch (talk) 16:28, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

In this case, I left a message for one of our few Wikipedians who is fluent in Amharic, & who has no dog in this race. Hopefully he can provide an answer to settle the matter for once & for all. -- llywrch (talk) 16:43, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Any article which describes its subject as a "businessman" but fails to mention his company or industry, immediately raises my eyebrows. ;-) llywrch (talk) 16:48, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

You mean like this version? Well the fact he is described in the first sentence as "Minister of Commerce of Pakistan" does allow the article to pass the notability test, but the earlier version would need an awful lot of pruning to get it into shape. (And supplied with some details, like the date of his birth.) -- llywrch (talk) 16:58, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Members of the Gabonese National Assembly

Himalayan Explorer, while assessing unassessed Africa Project articles, I came upon some members of the Gabonese National Assembly who seem to have their individual pages redirected to the page for the Gabonese Democratic Party where there is a list of current GDP National Assembly members. The page history suggests this was your activity. I feel members of the National Assembly do deserve individual pages. I am content to status such pages stubs, if at present they lack enough material for a higher rating. That is a matter of wikipedia's current lack of information. However, National Assembly members are prominent enough to rate individual pages.Gallador (talk) 18:55, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree. One-line stubs they may be, but valid they are nonetheless. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 19:20, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Unless of course you are an editor wanting to find real information about a politician and cannot find any decent articles amongst truckloads of one liners that cannot be expanded at present because of lack of sources... Himalayan 19:26, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps you're right. I just think that it's easier for people to expand off of a stub rather than a redirect; having the stub there encourages some sort of larger expansion, whereas a redirect does not. It may be little information, but at least it's valid.

Anyhow, I started something new today - first in a while. What do you think? --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:43, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Generally - I took the day off (hence the actual article), and ended up sleeping in far longer than I expected. I'm off to forage for dinner in a bit; I should be back up (almost) to snuff by tomorrow. Right now I'm basically OK; it's just this annoying cough won't go away. I'm definitely better than I was yesterday. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 22:28, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, perhaps - I still think they're valid as seeds for future expansion, but I see myself becoming increasingly part of the minority view now. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 22:08, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Himalayan Explorer, many thanks for originally creating these articles. You are correct that it would be great to have more information on these people. This is known. It is just a matter of encouraging those who know to add it to wikipedia. I feel this would be easier done to individual articles. However, obtaining the information is more important than debating the issue. By the way, if there are any other African countries whose national parliamentarians have been placed by you in such lists could you kindly let me know which countries these are. I will then mention them all together to members of wiki project Africa inviting additional information. Thanks for your interest in African topics. Gallador (talk) 05:59, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Just trust me on this.There are a great deal of topics on here which should be started asap and decent stubs on them are indeed an important precendent for expansion. But there are some topics that are just so extremely poorly covered on th web that as yet creating a stub on them is pointless as it is likely to be literally years before they are expanded. I'm talking about things like these politicians and small villages in Gabon. Yes you could create an article and say yes we are working towards it but the truth is you would be kidding yourself if your think they are going to contain any decent content yet or stand a chance of being expanded in the near future due to developing world differences on here and the distinct lack of people working on them. when there is actually a mention of more of the Assembly members on the web like Anna Bouandja which I believe was a pointless stub at present then the redirects can be quickly removed and written out. In an ideal information world we would have full articles about these people and small villages in Gabon etc but this is gradually becoming possible with some Afrian countries on here, so I would say it is probably best to go where the info flows and start and write article where we do have a least one or two good sources to build adequate stubs or decent articles. I could for instance drill 4000 sub stubs about Gabon and say "it gives people a chance to write full articles on them" but the likelihood is 99% of them will still be untouched in a few years time. Meanwile people who are readers of wikipedia who actually want to read something about places in Gabon comes across 3,995 sub stubs in a category and see the same one liner which gives them no information. That is frustrating to the reader, especially if the minority who tried to expand them could not find something to flesh them out. At least if there were 4000 sub stubs and there was adequate sources available on the web right now to expand them by anybody they would stand a chance, even if it would take years. As it stands plenty of work can be done on African topics which do have info on the web at the moment so I think it best to expand where the info flows and work on areas which can be expanded right now. The moment a single solid source becomes available for politicians like Anna Bouandja like there are for say Sri Lankan politicians I'd be glad to remove the redirects and add something of worth. Himalayan 10:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Responded. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 18:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Himalayan Explorer, many thanks for your work on African topics. I personally feel that if all the web had on US Senator X was that he was currently a US Senator, he should have a separate article, so if someone hears about him, they see all (however little) wikipedia has on him individually. I don't think typing in his name and seeing a list of US Senators is the better option. Ditto for Africans. However, obtaining more info is better than debating the point. By the way, don't forget there is also old style hard copy information that is not on the web. I will see what I can do to encourage the expansion of these and other African articles. Thanks again for your work on African topics.Gallador (talk) 13:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Vachan

I managed to get it to the main page today!!! Surprisingly, they accepted it eventually. :)

I created Safar (film) and took it to DYK as well... Shahid • ^Talk2me 19:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

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Hungarian

226 as far as I can see. List. The Hungarian infobox takes a field population_total I think - better not replace them until I can deal with the fields listed here. You can find the population figures here, with references. Rich Farmbrough, 22:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC).

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Algeria

OK that's ready to rock and roll when I have fixed up some error in some French commune articles. Incidentally all French communes except a handful (max 14) we are working on now have infoboxes. Rich Farmbrough, 15:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC).

Re: Abba Garima Monastery

Was that a question or your proposed tag for DYK? ;-) Anyway, I'm very impressed that you found that map of the battlefield of the Battle of Adwa, it's something that I've been looking for a while. I also made a few changes to the article (Briggs got the name & the date of Imam Ahmad Gragn's assault wrong, for example). As for a picture & further details I may be able to dig up something, if I recall the contents of my books on Ethiopia correctly & I can carve out the time in the next few evenings. -- llywrch (talk) 16:20, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Hungarian settlement

Thank you very much indeed for the compliment, that means a lot to me. Please do understand I am trying to make it better. Unfortunately the conversation has been split between Rich Farmbrough's your talk, mine and the article's. I am more than happy if you want to put them in one place. I may disagree with you but I know we are all trying to make it better.

My sincere best wishes. SimonTrew (talk) 17:57, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes we signed to the project. As you may see I also translate French, a bit of Latin, and other stuff. With all of that, I am primarily a computer programmer and linguist, not a language expert. So I do the work and others the translation. But I know that if you give them the scaffolding it makes it far less daunting for them to do it.

So, yes, I kinda agree these are temporary and can be converted. But I think it will be a year or two not next week.

My very best wishes and thank you very much for your compliment, it means very much to me, that you realise I am not a vandal trying to make it better. SimonTrew (talk) 18:57, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

BTW the conversions are of course already there in the templates. And the test cases give nice tables, actually sometimes nicer than the articles themselves, I think. But that is just my opinion, but if we decided to convert it, the information is all there in the templates already and a well-written bot can easily scrape that out, I would think? SimonTrew (talk) 19:01, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

re: Bodil Jørgensen

I was as shocked to discover someone with a similar name involved in that film! Thanks for the filmography addition too. Lugnuts (talk) 18:40, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what's more disturbing - her namesake's filmography or Mark Kermode's critism of The Idiots! Lugnuts (talk) 18:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I love his interview with Werner Herzog when Herzog gets shot by an air-pistol. "It's not a significant bullet!" Legend! Lugnuts (talk) 19:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

NUTS of Hungary

At this article I hace done some subbing, and it is reffed from many others. "My" templates under [[Category: Hungarian geographical name conversion templats]] use these a bit to upref the NUTS codes. I added the Hungarian names on the English article because the map is in Hungarian so makes little sense, I think, if one cannot refer the table to the map. Of course using {{Hungarian region name}} you could get the English from the Hungarian, but I deliberatley did not do that while it was under discussion if these templates are good bad or indifferent. I have downloaded the maps and will make a simple black and white version with no text at all, then add colours, then add labels, etc, on different layers. So that German or Slovakian or Punjab WP only has to change the labels on the top layer not change the map or polys. Do you agree that is a good way to go forward? SimonTrew (talk) 19:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Re. Deceiving

Hello Himalayan Explorer and thanks for giving me the news (I have been absent from Wikipedia and largely unaware of what's going on). I am not surprised that Eco came back, but I confess that I was not expecting him to manage to sneak unnoticed all the way to adminship. Either we must be more careful at RfA, or start designing a Deception Barnstar coz I don't think we've seen the last of him. Regards, Húsönd 19:36, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

French communes

Did you miss that all French communes have Infoboxes? Except possibly 14 island communes. Rich Farmbrough, 19:58, 30 September 2009 (UTC).

Wikipedia:WikiProject French communes/Status/Detail Rich Farmbrough, 20:38, 30 September 2009 (UTC).

In due course, I have probably made something like 100,000 edits to French communes, maybe they should bed in a little. Also I would be interested in resolving some of the problems at Infobox settlement when I've had a break from location infoboxes. I am looking at a few tools to speed things up, there are thousands of infoboxes and a significant number are named incorrectly. Rich Farmbrough, 20:49, 30 September 2009 (UTC).

414,912. But SmackBot was able to take the strain at the end, I pulled my finger out and got bot approval for updating Infoboxes. Although it surprising how many you need to do by hand to have pick out exceptions. having said that I'd still like to get all the lat-long in the same format. Wish they'd give us proper string manipulation parser functions. Rich Farmbrough, 20:56, 30 September 2009 (UTC).

I could transfer the Romanian infoboxes easily enough, but you have indicated that they are dubious? Rich Farmbrough, 23:17, 30 September 2009 (UTC).

Right, so the informed say that transfer the bits and pieces to make blank articles French or Italian or Spanish or no doubt others let's transfer blank articles. And annoy editors who take the time actually t o translate the articles. That seems like a very odd stance to take. SimonTrew (talk) 14:37, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I have no idea what you mean. Himalayan 14:49, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I did not express that very well at all. What I mean is, the bot can create thousands of essentially blank articles. So they show up as blue links but actually have no content to speak of. Is that more useful than simply having redlinks that show explicitly that articles are missing and need content? I would argue that it is better to keep a redlink as a redlink rather than have a bot introduce a new article stub with no effective content. Are they all going to be listed at Project:French articles needing translation or something? I would suggest they are not. So, then readers and editors cannot see the meat for the potatoes because there are then tens of thousands of essentially empty articles that are masquerading as having content. Yet the articles User:Monkap and I have done do have content. Yes they could be better as they are translated from the Hungarian and we can't always find the references, but at least we try to add some content. And this takes time, and the more automated the better I totally agree. SimonTrew (talk) 03:05, 3 October 2009 (UTC)