This is where I'm supposed to put this stuff, right?
The article wasn't actually just about me. I was going to go through and do writeups on some of the smaller companies in general. See, that's a great tool for designers looking for work - something they usually do on a worldwide scale - and I haven't found anything like that as a tool. As I told one of the other people (I have no clue if they're admin or not. Or if you are, for that matter), my plan was to go through and put a number of things up - the next article was going to be on Ars Sutoria. Followed by a company a friend of ours works for (and yes, I work for Walking Cradles - which means it was quick and easy because I already know about the company). It seemed like a good idea, and something that was lacking when we needed a tool like that a year and a half ago. Instead, it looks like I'll need to start my own database if I want to give designers a tool like that. And that's just sad.
Is There a way that unopened (last chance) messages may also be retrieved? Like in a history of some sort? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MicP (talk • contribs) 21:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC).
Hi you just deleted two very useful non comercial links (I thought). That I as a teacher find useful. One is from the British Government. The other is from a group in Poland that have created a totally non comercial (as far as I can tell) piece of software that my students enjoy using.
I am a beginner at editing and communicating on wikipedia... so forgive me if this is not the way to do it. Still. I'd appreciate it if you reconsidered the previous deletions. I personally would love to get more useful links for students and teachers (that are non comercial) I find them very useful.
Thanks
Danny —Preceding unsigned comment added by Morehdanny (talk • contribs)
You know what's sad? I clicked that link to check its history: I totally believed that I had deleted that article recently. Happy new year to you, too. (And I'm pretty sure that the Queen Bitch Vandalslayer sceptre belongs to you now.) -- Merope 00:53, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Your not an administrator and stop acting like you are one. People add stuff to my user page all the time. Grow Up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JFBurton (talk • contribs) 19:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC).
Wikipedia users are entirely within their purview to warn users of policy violations if they see fit. FisherQueen has done nothing wrong, for the record. --Dr Excessus 21:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I, for one, appreciate the job that FisherQueen and so many others do in helping to keep Wikipedia in good shape. She's quick to jump to help out where others simply wish to ignore or choose to impair the work of building an encyclopedia. Agree with Dr Excessus. Philippe Beaudette 22:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, guys. You're so sweet to a harmless li'l patroller... you make me feel warm and fuzzy all over. -FisherQueen (Talk) 23:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Would it be okay if I swiped your toolbox design? Let me know; I'll watch this page. Thanks! -- weirdoactort|c 18:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Please feel free to steal anything you like- that's in the spirit of Wikipedia. I stole most of it from others, in any case. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! I always like to ask first; sort of like asking a chef if I can put a new twist on their recipe. -- weirdoactort|c 19:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
You recently placed the {{db-band}} on the Shiikane article. I am writing on your talk page to contest this deletion request, since this is a real article about a band which really exists. The author, Shiikane Online, is not associated with the band, and is simply a fan, who runs a fansite for the band.
Shiikane are a notable band who are developing new music. They have so far made three records and one album and will be making plenty more soon. Pg2114 19:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
You don't have to tell me that; only demonstrating notability on the article, which didn't include any information to assert notability, will save it from deletion. If it's already been deleted, your arguments will only help if you make them to an administrator, who has the power to undelete pages. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I did not have enough time to edit the article to include these, since it was deleted minutes after you marked it for speedy deletion. Please could you contact the administrator involved and ask them to restore the article? Pg2114 20:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I am the adminstrator involved, and I will not restore the article. If you can provide reliable sources that document the group's notability, you may resubmit the article. Otherwise, you can request a deletion review. -- Merope 20:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Regarding External Link I added to an online book on the historical status of the Klamath River salmon fishery[edit]
I read the External Link policy and it fits the guidelines in my reading. Please tell me how it doesn't. Thanks, Peter (plbman) —Preceding unsigned comment added by plbman (talk • contribs)
I'm puzzled by the appropriate response to plbman. I looked at the link he's adding, and it seems useful enough, and not in violation of any policy. Pretty cool site, in fact. But he has added nearly a hundred links to the same web page throughout Wikipedia, which smells of spamming and makes me feel all ooky about the link. Comment from a more experienced editor would be useful. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Erh. Take it to WP:ANI? I don't know what to make of it, either. -- Merope 19:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
This is clear link spamming, no matter how good the quality of the website. WP states that repeatedly adding links to promote a website (commercial or not) is spamming and that is what this user is doing. I'm removing links now and will provide last warning if he persists. Calltech 20:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks very much! I like learning how to interpret the policies in new situations. I went to start removing the links, and every one I selected, you had been there before me... that's pretty neat, too. -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
If it helps, I'm the library director here at Scripps Inst Oceanography and the Fish Bulletin books to which I was linking were a federally funded (LSTA) digital library project to make 178 books on Calif fish and fisheries available to the public. The project was my conception and my motivation was doing it for the public good. If you look, I am linking to individual book URLs that serve as excellent resources for deeper reading for the public on the topics where I linked them from. I'm not promoting the website; I'm linking to PDF books for deeper reading. So if you remove my links, it's the public's loss, not mine. I was helping out to make Wikipedia more useful to readers, and linking to online books seems valuable for Wikipedia readers. Your call of course, since our digital library efforts stand on their own merit. It is discouraging though since it seems like quick judgements are being made and no one is actually looking at the online books themselves to which I link before removing my links. ..........Peter Brueggeman. Email me if you wish at pbrueggeman@ucsd.edu —Preceding unsigned comment added by plbman (talk • contribs)
I thought the site was very useful, and as you can see from the above edits, I don't feel that I'm experienced enough, or wise enough in the ways of Wikipedia policy, to make this call by myself. The problem is that adding links, especially this many links, to a site that you manage is selfpromotion, which is prohibited by Wikipedia guidelines. I linked on your talk page to the Administrators' Noticeboard, which is where I posted the question about how your edits fit into Wikipedia guidelines. If you want to post there, too, you are welcome to- Wikipedia is completely collaborative, and I've stepped aside from this one to let wiser heads make the call. -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Peter, WP is not a directory of links nor a medium to promote your website, no matter how well intended. Please review the guidelines here WP:COI and WP:SPAM. Being a director of Scripps and promoting your library on WP is a clear conflict of interest. Adding a hundred or so links today to your website is considered link spamming. Calltech 20:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I wasn't promoting the Scripps Library. I was linking to State of Calif published authoritatively-authored books that were made available online for the public good using federal funds through the Calif State Library. The links are not to one website and thus not promotional; the links are to individual books, each of which has its own permanent URL. My intention was to guide Wikipedia readers to further online authoritative reading on the topics involved. We know these books get accessed and considerable use via Google searching. I have learned that linking Wikipedia articles to individual authoritative online books doesn't fit the Wikipedia model. Best wishes, Peter
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a link farm. It doesn't confer a license to spam even If you believe its not promotional. --Hu12 01:05, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, FisherQueen! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. frothTC 19:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Yay! I will use my new tool for good, and try to avoid using it for evil. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
...after I learn how to use it. -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
You know, I think I actually prefer doing it the slow way. Maybe I'll get used to it if I keep working with it. -FisherQueen (Talk) 22:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
No need to post a generic "use the sandbox" message on my talk page. I have been using Wikipedia for several years now. RedWolf 22:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm still learning how to use VandalProof and shouldn't have hit that button. I've undone the warning and the edit I rolled back. -FisherQueen (Talk) 22:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
... just threaten to have Guy blocked for vandalism?? Best laugh I've had all day. (Yeah, I've done it, too. I've also gotten the occasional vandalism warning for reverting someone else's vandalism.) -- Fan-1967 23:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Don't get me wrong. VandalProof is cool. But I'm like a 16-year-old who got a Testerossa for her birthday... I am not sure if I can handle this much power. I'll learn how to use it reliably... or I'll go back to doing it the old-fashioned way. -FisherQueen (Talk) 23:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, man, let's block Guy! That sounds like a larf. And you'll get the hang of it. Maybe. -- Merope 18:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I think I'm starting to get the hang of it. Just have to remember to take it slow and look carefully at what I'm seeing, is all. It's really quite a spiffy tool. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about that - AntiVandalBot and I both reverted James Ritty (a page that had been vandalised), but I got there very shortly after the bot, so I accidentally reverted its revert. Thanks for picking it up so quickly and apologies for clumsiness. Squeezeweasel 18:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
The reason I added a link to eManna was so that people could recognize its relationship to Living Stream. I am NOT a part of Living Stream (or the local church movement), and eManna is not commercial in nature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.234.146.115 (talk • contribs)
You just created a totally blank page, except for a speedy deletion tag on it. Unusual. Is VP playing up? --Deskana(For Great Justice!) 21:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I feel just awful. I speedied it exactly as some Wise and Beautiful Admin was deleting it... and ended up creating a page which existed only to request its own deletion. You know, there's a certain Zen beauty to that... no? No, I guess not. -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Don't feel too awful about it, wasn't much effort for me to click a few buttons :-P --Deskana(For Great Justice!) 21:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
As a vigorous new page patroller, I can say that it happens ALL THE TIME, to people without VP. I've seen you do it before--it just means I'm a wee bit faster. ;) -- Merope 05:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, I can't think of any way to avoid it, so I guess I'll just keep doing my little best to keep Wikipedia a useful encyclopedia and as free from crap as possible. You think you're faster than me? Oooo, baby, now it is ON. I'm got the extra power now... I am vandalslaying with extra horsepower! -FisherQueen (Talk) 06:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I don't think there is--it's just a thing that happens in the software occasionally. Sometimes you'll get a page saying, "This page has been deleted, do you want to recreate it?", but not always. It's weird.
And you're so on. Just as soon as I'm not, y'know, all liquored up. (I'm pretty sure that "editing Wikipedia while intoxicated" is on the Wikiholic test. And probably should be a sign of addiction in general.) -- Merope 06:10, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Girl, it's the middle of the night. You ought to be in bed. Come to think of it, so should I... 'night. -FisherQueen (Talk) 06:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Common knowledge is'nt always published. If the skys blue, don't call it pink. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yachtspotter (talk • contribs) 21:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC).
Please stop adding inappropriate links to Wikipedia. It is considered spamming and will be removed. Thanks. Shadowbot 21:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
That's odd. Shadowbot, my darling, I haven't added any links at all to Wikipedia today, although I've deleted several. -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:39, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Please only use {{db-bio}} if the page is a biography of a person. There are other templates for bands, companies, etc and you should look at WP:CSD to find the correct one to avoid giving misleading reasons for deletion. Angela. 21:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
External links
You appear to be adding a number of links to the same web site. This tends to give the impression that you are promoting a site with which you are affiliated, which is considered spamming. You would be wise if you didn't add any more links to this web site to Wikipedia. -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
yes i add links to same web site. we have a huge gallery about 5000 work of arts. every artist has at least 30 pictures in his/her gallery. why it is wrong ? i made the editings correctly, the links i gave has a lot of pictures of the artists.
Wikipedia want us to share information freely, right ? so i share the pictures in my sites. i want people seaching the artists in the net, can find ALL the works of artists easily.
I share information without violates any copyright. Is it so important which sites i link ? Or the important is, the site I link is full of works of arts ?
The key word in your response is "we." If the link that you are promoting is to your own web site, then your activity would definitely fall within Wikipedia's definition of spam. If you continue, you may find your web site on the blacklist, unlinkable from Wikipedia at all. -FisherQueen (Talk) 12:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Geez. I did a lot of work on The Instance after some discussion with Randy via email. The changes where made to support the argument for deletion. I added a lot of content that was relevant and am reverting your reversion. Nothing was deleted but rather the article was changed to more closely represent a radio article. Aselman 15:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I mistook the added podcast links for spam while using VandalProof- I apologize for the error, which I have reverted. Thank you for pointing out my mistake. -FisherQueen (Talk) 16:03, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reversion and thans for doing it so quickly. Aselman 16:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
FisherQueen, please do not revert good-faith edits by established users and leave a {{test}} template on their page. To do so violates WP policy. Thank you. standonbibleTalk! 17:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Wait, that Steve Jobs using the first iPhone for a prank call was REAL? Wow... the things you learn on Wikipedia. -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
You know, I'm seriously reconsidering VandalProof. It's a very neat tool, but I have a way higher error rate using it, and I like my reputation as a reliable contributor. Now I'm deciding whether I want to concentrate on figuring out how to use it more reliably, or go back to the slow way. -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Not that you asked my opinion - but the slow way was pretty fast, and accurate for you. Philippe Beaudette 21:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I'm leaning pretty strongly toward putting VP aside for now and using the methods that were working for me. Clearly there are other folks who are able to use it and keep their error rates low, but even after a week or so of practice, I'm still making too many mistakes with it. I don't want to be one of those people who thinks she's being helpful while stumbling around fucking up Wiki. -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Maybe the real vandal asskickers don't need VP. I've never used it, and I can't imagine how much I'd bugger up with it. (Says the admin with the rollback feature...) -- Merope 21:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
For taking the time to give a new user information. You are the only one who did, and I very much appreciate it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tres chic (talk • contribs)
No problem. We all make mistakes as newbies, and starting at Wiki by putting up a page about myself/my company/my band/my cat and seeing it deleted is one of the most common. Doesn't mean you can't stick around and make yourself useful, if Wikipedia's goals appeal to you. -FisherQueen (Talk) 22:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm leaving to attend my grandfather's funeral, and will be inactive for most of the weekend. If you're looking to vandalize my userpage... well, have fun. I'll sweep up when I get back. If you're looking to be helpful, Save Indian Family has a lot of my hours invested in it and could use an occasional peek. -FisherQueen (Talk) 22:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
If anyone has any questions, I can try to help out. And don't worry, FQ -- I'll make sure your page is clean and vandal-counter updated when you return. -- Merope 03:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Save Indian Family - propsed edit to SIF concerns[edit]
Hi FisherQueen. I saw your message on Talk:Project Gender Studies about SIF. The tone of the discussion and personal attacks launched at you there are appalling. I've proposed an edit for the SIF concerns section. (The unedited section is probably in violation of WP:COI, WP:NPOV and WP:POVPUSH policies.)
Also, somebody created another article Protect Indian Family which is an NGO member of a movement called “SAVE INDIAN FAMILY”.
It strikes me that since I can find NO verifiable, outside published sources that SIF fails the notability test. I'm not sure how you would feel about this but I think there's a good argument for the deletion of SIF. Whether you think the article should be reviewed or listed as an AfD, I hope I've been of some help : )--Cailil 00:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I really appreciate your getting involved on Save Indian Family. Frankly, I'm just exhausted after my grandfather's death, and need a little time before jumping into the fray on this emotionally heated article. If you're not up to it either, that's cool- I'll return to the article when I've had a chance to regroup a little bit. For now, though, I need a break from it. -FisherQueen (Talk) 02:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
My condolences for your loss FisherQueen. After the response I got on the SIF talk page I think you're right to disengage from it for the moment. As for myself, I'll be keeping an eye on the SIF page :)--Cailil 14:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
May his soul rest in peace. Cailil, I wish you good luck in your efforts towards Censorship of South Asian masculist articles. By the way, I will soon start an Afd in Bride burning article :) --Newageindian 14:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi again FisherQueen. The Save Indian Family article is listed at RfC if you interested in commenting.--Cailil 00:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks- an RfC seems like an appropriate next step... and an option that I had forgotten about. -FisherQueen (Talk) 22:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Its about time you had a weekend off, its all you ever seem to be doing(going on wikipedia). JFBurton 13:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
What a horrible thing to say. --Majorly 13:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I just don't know what to say to this. I'm grieving my grandfather, not taking a "weekend off."
You've been blocked numerous times for attacks on me. I really don't want to hear from you at all.
I don't know you chose me, out of the thousands of active Wikipedians, to focus your attention on, and I don't care.
Please do not post on my talk page unless it is necessary for creating the encyclopedia. Please, if you have my talk page on your watchlist, unwatch it. Please do not leave messages about me on other people's talk pages.
I'm not trying to have you permablocked, I'm not trying to deter you from making Wiki better, but I'm asking you to leave me alone. -FisherQueen (Talk) 13:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Chill Out for Christs Sake. And why are you online if your taking the whole weekend off? JFBurton 15:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
OMG JFBurton, leave her alone! --Majorly 15:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok Then, but that comment was mearly an attempt to improve mine and FisherQueen's relationship. Its not my fault if I feel she spends a little bit TOO much time on here. Maybe she has some sort off addiction, thats OK. Perhaps she should go and see a couciller or something, you may need it in this sad time of your life. JFBurton 15:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your message. I'd in fact already seen your explanation at WP:AN/I, and changed my position accordingly. The trouble was that the original blocker simply gave a set of diffs which, out of context, were just not uncivil. In context, it's clear that JFBurton is being at best grossly insensitive and callous; at worst he's engaging in personal attacks that deserve worse than just the four-day block. I'll be keeping an eye on him, as will many other admins, I expect. If he keeps it up, he'll probably be blocked permanently. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a second look. When I logged on, I saw that the diffs that had been provided didn't give the full context of my problems with JFBurton, and just wanted to make sure that the admins making the decision understood why I was upset by the comment. It was awfully tempting to respond with some strong words of my own, and it took a bit of doing to just shut the computer down and walk away instead. -FisherQueen (Talk) 17:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Grrr!!!! Every /expletive deleted/ one of them was a copyvio from the "player profiles" section of this. That's why they all just said "the club" or whatever - the context was supplied by the website in their original setting. All now deleted, and the author told the error of his ways.
Me? I need coffee after that. Cheers, Tonywalton | Talk 15:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks so much. I was baffled by the things... context-free little nuggets of nothingness. -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
They make more sense on the website - trouble is they're a bugger to find because they're generated on-the-fly so don't show up on Google. I've pointed Swino at Ben Cockayne as an example of a viable {{UK-rugbyleague-bio-stub}}. Let's see if he starts creating acceptable stub articles! Tonywalton | Talk 15:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC) (drinking some nice Java)
Hello! I think our speedy delete notices may have got tangled up - I left a {{db-spam}} on the AcnEase article page (now speedied), but when I went to let the author know, I noticed you'd already left them a {{nn}} message about the same article. I can't see any evidence of anyone having deleted a speedy delete notice from the article page, so I'll leave the user's talk page for now, seeing as there's already a warning up! --Squeezeweaseltalk 20:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
The author posted it twice; FQ tagged it the first time; you tagged it the second. FisherQueen, you might want to use {{spam-notice}} for db-spam articles, though I tend to flip back and forth on nn-notice or spam-notice. (It's kind of a catch-22 for the spammers: if they write about how great the product is, it's spam; if they don't, it doesn't assert notability. Either way, we get to zap it.) -- Merope 20:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I didn't know about {{spam-notice}}- thanks for pointing it out! I've always liked {{nn-warn}} because it doesn't leave the spammers any room to whine about how they're not spamming, just spreading the word about a Terribly Important Product... the notability question almost always stops them, and spam for notable products shouldn't be speedied but rewritten anyway. In my opinion. -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
You know, I'd not thought about using nn-warn for spam, but I really like the way you're thinking about it! --Squeezeweaseltalk 21:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I tend to agree. (Even though I helped write spam-notice.) I spend far too much time dealing with spammers, anyway; I like to just leave the spam notice and then put my own template on there, User:Merope/DRV after they inevitably resubmit it. Ugh. Hm. I wonder if I should make DRV a regular template that other New Page patrollers can use... whaddya think? -- Merope 20:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
DRV is nice and succinct, but I'd probably keep using {{recreated}} even if it were available. One of those nn-warn vs. spam-notice questions, I guess. -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
If I create a template that says, "You are too stupid to edit Wikipedia. Please go away," do you think I could get it added to the Warning Grid? :) -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Vote Yes Not that you asked, but I'm in. <<tongue firmly planted in cheek>> Philippe Beaudette 21:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Damnit, I need to spend some time reviewing the grid--so many warnings have changed! Recreated used to apply only to G4-type instances (creating material after an AFD). But I definitely want your template. -- Merope 21:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Nobody asked me either, but you might like this from BJAODN Tonywalton | Talk 21:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
That's it! That's my template! I demand that {{test9}} be added to the warning grid at once! -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Is it? I thought it was the product of a stuck keyboard! Seriously though, I have no clue even about the bits in English. If the daft so-and-so would actually turn around and explain what the perceived problem was, (or would say "Öööpsääiiliontolavii - Ï gottii the wrongii userää") I'd have a chance to do something about it. As it is, can I borrow {{test9}} for a minute? Tonywalton | Talk 12:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm. I see the logic there, but User:Kikkeri has never been blocked, by me or anyone else, according to their block log. Might be a sockpuppet, I suppose... As far as I can remember I've never deleted anything about Nokia (and I really can't be bothered to go through my deletion log as far back as December 15 last year, when I got the Admin Broom), nor have I even as far as I know edited anything about Nokia. Hell, I don't think I've even read anything about Nokia - I don't even own a Nokia. "Öööpsääiiliontolavii - Ï gottii the wrongii userää" is quite likely (see, I do speak Finnish). Ah well, takes all sorts (but why do we have to meet them?) Tonywalton | Talk 12:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Speed delete Profoto ???? WHY?? 3 seconds after it was started[edit]
I am completely new to this so please let em first try to make a page about a pice of historical photo episode before it get deleted or the first page i have done (tried to do) before I am kicked out.. please.. This dont feel serious - I am serious..
By the way, I've blocked this user for having a username of a corporation (per WP:USERNAME). If you see other users create articles about companies or products who have the same username as the subject of the article, you can give them the spam or nn warning and report it on WP:AIV as a username violation. Or not--I just really hate spammers. A lot. -- Merope 20:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I hate to sound like a certain mutual friend, but if you really want a Wikibreak, you have to actually leave. Or not. I like you just fine always working here, so I'm not going to pressure you to go away. -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, what's hard is giving up editing from work -- I have an office job and there's a lot of downtime. If I can give up editing from home, though, I feel I'm coming out ahead. Plus, I'm involved with this big thing involving a proposed community ban, and I'm strangely invested in it. More so than I want to be. In conclusion, meh. :) -- Merope 21:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reversion. How did this editor know I'm weird? Tonywalton | Talk 20:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
No, no, no, you have that user all wrong. If he meant that you WERE weird, he would have said "You're weird." But the difference between "you're" and "your" is so simple, even children know it, so he clearly meant what he said when he said "your weird." As in, it is your wyrd, your fate, to be eternally tormented by Wikivandals. Maybe you committed atrocities in a past life. -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
First time I've had my wyrd dree'd online, I must say. Tonywalton | Talk 09:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Sure! Merope is my aide, and Tonywalton... -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps they were merely asking politely if you could spare some slimming biscuits. WP:AGF and all that. Tonywalton | Talk 10:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I have just started to try and add useful links (to online news magazines I believe to be "autority" sites, and which I regularly use to get the latest data about some pretty specialised topics), but I was told that this is link spamming.
Sorry if I did it incorrectly, but can't you use Wikipedia to add these useful links? I cannot post separate articles from these magazines as I am not their author / do not have their copyright, and also because they keep on posting several articles every day. Is Wikipedia just for static articles, and can't you add links to reference sites?
Thanks in advance for clarifying the process... —Preceding unsigned comment added by SecurityEditor (talk • contribs)
So I finally got around to looking at your userboxes. <tongue plants in cheek> Serial commas rock! And you're just wrong about prepositions.... I don't know where that sort of madness comes from. Philippe Beaudette 17:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, I once knew someone who spoke English. Plus, my mother teaches it. So if that doesn't qualify me to make unfounded statements, I don't know what does. Philippe Beaudette 17:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Need to keep any eye on this one. I can't find any evidence they even exist at all, beyond a fairly minimal website that looks only a few months old. It has some lofty-sounding goals, but no specific indications they've actually done anything. Maybe it's just a startup, but I don't think it remotely meets any notability standards. Google's unhelpful, because there are a lot of gaming guilds with the name, but I can't find any Reliable Sources on this one at all. Fan-1967 18:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Based on this, I've gone ahead and prodded the article- if it's a real and notable organization, the creator can add some evidence to show it. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I've prod2'ed it. May well be real, but at best it's a non-notable startup. Lots of charities start with noble goals and lofty plans. They become notable when they actually achieve things, and get attention for it. Fan-1967 18:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
And I've speedied it per CSD A7 and blocked the editor for his/her choice of username (name of corp or organization). I am a heartless wench. -- Merope 18:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd heard that about you. Fan-1967 18:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Really? I thought the rumor was that I was a gay who fucks myself because I can't get dates and I edit Wikipedia. At least, that's what my userpage says sometimes... -- Merope 18:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I've read some similar things about me, and FisherQueen, and Guy, and Zoe, and ... Must be a lot of us. Fan-1967 18:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Pah! N00bs, the lot of you. I, apparently am an obnoxious fascist viscious (sic) homosexual piece of shit. It says so on Wikipedia, so it must be true. Tonywalton | Talk 18:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Maybe he meant 'viscous?'-FisherQueen (Talk) 18:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
A thick, slow-moving liquid? Yeah, that's Tony. Fan-1967 18:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Now that one I would admit to. Tonywalton | Talk 18:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello! I came across a template which you might find handy. It fits somewhere in the middle of {{nn-warn}} and {{firstarticle}}: {{badbio}}. Takes a page name as a param if needed. Neato! All the best, Angus McLellan(Talk) 19:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Say, that is usefullish. PS, the vandals are out in FORCE today! It's really scaring me.-FisherQueen (Talk) 20:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Please, continue the deletion of my entry. For some reason I cannot find how to do that myself. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Finereadermaster (talk • contribs) 23:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC).
Reasoning for removing tag is i didn't know what it was - thought it was an error. I am not trying to advertise, i saw pizza pizza and papa johns and various other pizza places and thought this would be a good place to speak about the Companies history in Ottawa. They have been in the NCR for 30 years and are a large contributor to charities and youth sports. It is a retail succes story and a part of the history of Orleans, ON. I intend to add more information in regards to marketing techniques, company history, and future of the comapny. I do not see any difference between any oth e following listed pages and the one i am trying to post. Please let me know how i can correct this to keep it online. reference pages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco_Pizza_Restaurant, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panago, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_Pizza, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/241_Pizza, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Caesars—Preceding unsigned comment added by Buddyfresh (talk • contribs)
You marked my article for speedy deletion 10 minutes after its initial creation. I ask that you consider the arduous, time consuming, difficult task of collecting information that makes an article complete, as to not warrant speedy deletion, and then consider that it takes longer than 10 minutes to gather that information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by sslipknot3000 (talk • contribs)
Hi FisherQueen. Is there any reason why your user page says you don't want to be an administrator? It's just that... I think you'd be a great one. --Majorly 20:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I completely second this. And I would love to nominate you should you ever change your mind. -- Merope 20:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I've just started thinking about changing that tag to 'but would like to be someday.' Right now, though, there's still a lot I don't know about the rules and policies and practices and so forth, so I leave the 'doesn't want to' tag up for now. Almost four months doesn't seem like all that long as an editor, and while I have fun kicking vandal ass, I really haven't done much on the writing side- started a handful of stubs but haven't brought any of them much farther. I haven't even finished reading everything on the Administrators' Reading List. I'd hate to go through the heartbreak of an unsuccessful RfA.
My personal to-do list before I change the tag to "...but would like to be one" is:
Read all the policies on the Reading List carefully
...sound reasonable? -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Sounds fine... it's up to you =) --Majorly 21:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
No, that sounds good. The two things that came up during my RfA were my active tour of duty (which was about three months, even though I had been registered for two years) and my lack of encyclopedia-building. But I'd be happy to help coach you, if you'd like. Except that I still don't know all that much about images. ;) Anyway, have a good weekend, FQ! I'm going to try to stay away from the WP. We'll see how that goes...-- Merope 22:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I have a dollar that says Merope's back by sundown. Not that that's bad, we like her. But still, it's a very nice dollar, and I think I'll get to keep it. Philippe Beaudette 22:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Merope- Yes, I'd love you as a coach. Images... are something that I am going to be spending some time trying to understand, one of these days. Philippe- well, if I remember correctly, Merope and I are in the same time zone, where it's almost sundown as she's posting that message. So I'm not taking that bet. I think she can make it an hour... probably. -FisherQueen (Talk) 22:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Feh! Being an admin is not really that big of a deal (except in my case I spend far too much of my time on CAT:CSD now instead of doing more interesting things). You get a couple more buttons ("delete", "block" and "protect", yeah, w00T!), you get the Earth-shatteringly amazing ability to see past edits and past deleted pages. And that's pretty much it, apart from the immediate 63% rise in the pay we get. There's no requirement to use the buttons (except your own wish to do so). Obviously it's made Merope a better person - Goddess knows what she'd be like otherwise - but it hasn't affected me in the slightest. What it does do, or has in my case at least, is make you think a lot about what Wikipedia is about and how the changes you can make as an admin can improve things and can take workload off current admins. For example, instead of listing a vandal on WP:AIV and waiting a while you can block them yourself (and yes, I do consider for quite a long while before doing so; one does, when it's one's own decision). Really, in my experience, it just makes doing what one would do anyway that bit quicker and easier. Tonywalton | Talk 00:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I feel a little bit like Barack Obama. In that I'm being encouraged to consider a position I hadn't considered just yet, though it was always in my mind for the future. And also, I look great in a Speedo. As far as anyone on Wikipedia knows.
I have to admit that being able to save admins work by deleting my own speedies and blocking vandals myself is appealing. I finished reading the reading list this morning (with a cup of cocoa), and learned a bunch of stuff I already knew, and some stuff I didn't know as well. And when I found the backlog page, I was filled with an overwhelming desire to fix everything. This morning, before I leave for church.
So I changed the tag on my userpage... I guess I'd be willing to take the risk of failing an RfA. There's admin tools that I could really use, and I think I have the self-control to keep my hands off the other ones while I learn to use them. And Merope has better things to do with her admin powers than follow along behind me deleting my speedies for me... -FisherQueen (Talk) 13:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
So, um... yeah...
Majorly would like to nominate you to be an administrator. Please visit Wikipedia:Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Majorly to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/FisherQueen. If you accept the nomination, you must formally state your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.
I hope Merope doesn't mind... I'll create the page only if you're sure =) --Majorly (talk) 13:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Here we go, then... -FisherQueen (Talk) 13:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
It's all ready now. --Majorly (talk) 13:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
And I've finished and submitted my answers to the RfA questions. This should be interesting, whatever the outcome. -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I placed a couple of external links on the History of the Netherlands page on January 7 that you quickly moved to the forum. I have a few questions: Where is the forum? What determines whether they will be accepted for the site? One of the links was sponsored by the Dutch education department and the other was a Google Earth interface to much of the wikipedia content. Why did these not meet the criteria? Please let me know any comments, suggestions, or questions. Thanks Dave Dlepoire 23:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I have put the {{importance}}-tag that you have removed back on some articles about chemicals. I have been dealing with several discussions about this subject (I have raised it on the wikiproject notability). These articles carry the importance tag, because they do not tell why they are important (and hence, they may be not notable). Most of these articles are notable enough, and hence do deserve a place in the wikipedia (and I have already initiated work on them, and several have been worked on lately).
I know there is a big backlog, but removing the importance tags does not remove the backlog of articles that do not state why they are important, the articles do not improve. I can see that articles with {{notability}} get either {{prod}}ed or {{AfD}}d, for articles carrying the {{importance}} I would argue that a responsible project is notified (which in this case has been done, already). I hope this clarifies. --Dirk BeetstraTC 16:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification on the chemicals... I wasn't sure what to think about them. Now that I know that they're being discussed at a wider level, I'll look at the conversation there and go with the community consensus. -FisherQueen (Talk) 16:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I'm not really on NPR. Somebody is. But I'm listening to a Weekend Edition story right now about Wikipedia notability and Susan Peters, a local TV news anchor tagged for deletion. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I posted a useful, non commercial external link and you wrongly deleted it. You are not God. Stop Acting Like It. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuggetsinsider (talk • contribs)
I checked your contribution list, and your account, which is named User:Nuggetsinsider, seems to exist only for the purpose of adding links to nuggetsinsider.com to Wikipedia. This is definitely in violation of Wikipedia's spam guidelines. Please read them carefully so you'll understand how external links are used here.
Also- I know that you're new here and probably didn't mean to, but the message you left on my talk page deleted content- adding a message to the end of a talk page without replacing anything is the way we do it here. You can sign your post with four tildes (that's ~~ this thing) or use the "sign your name" feature below the editing window.
Thanks for drawing my attention to your contributions- now I can remove the extra links. -FisherQueen (Talk) 22:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Pls stop disturbing my image "doraemon eating dorayaki". I find this picture very cute, so I want to add it. I've already cropped the image to make it smaller. What else do u want? Do I disturb your works? If no, why are u doing this to mine? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Johnwxh30 (talk • contribs) 15:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
I actually agree with you that the picture is adorable. I hope you'll add it to your personal web page, because it's really cute.
There are two problems that I have with adding it to the Dorayaki page. First, it is huge, and unless you resize it, it looks really sloppy on the page. Second, it doesn't really add anything to the purpose of the page- explaining what a dorayaki is- that the other images don't convey.
Of course, you can always draw attention to the question by posting on the article's talk page, and see whether other contributors agree with you about the image. -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, you wrote and told me that you could help me to improve or say in the right way how the company is notable.
I would appreciate that.Cyelambert 19:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC) The article seems completely gone though, but still you may be able to help. Thank you. I didn't quite get what I sould add. Perhaps you can access the article that is gone since yesterday to help or show me exactly what you mean.Cyelambert 19:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
The best I can do is point you toward the Wikipedia:Notability (companies and corporations). But if this company doesn't meet those guidelines, there's nothing I can do that will get the page undeleted. Have you read the guidelines? Has this company been the subject of multiple nontrivial published works? Have there been journal articles, magazine articles, or newspaper articles written about it? Do you have references or links to show them?
Wikipedia:Deletion review is the place to post your reasons for having the deletion undone, but only use this process if you're certain that this company is notable according to the guidelines, and you can give sources to prove it. If you can't prove notability, you won't be able to make any argument that will get the page undeleted.-FisherQueen (Talk) 22:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
You are an abomination to wikipedia, and the free flow of information in the Information Age. You gave not even one whole day for a barrage of "Reliable Sources" to be given for an article before having it removed. Apparently, being on the front page of a respected newspaper isn't a "reliable source", and enough to even have a mention on wikipedia. I hope you are getting paid to do this, because any other motivation to trash a wiki within 24 hours would just plain baffle me. Thanks for helping to make Wikipedia a place where people can read... about things that they already know about. I'm sure this message will be flagged for speedy deletion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.241.120.62 (talk) 16:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC).
I'm sorry, but I have no idea what article you are talking about in your message to me. Since I'm not an administrator, though, I haven't deleted any articles- I don't have the power to do anything but recommend them to be deleted by an admin, if they don't meet the notability guidelines in WP:BIO. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I've always wanted to be an abomination. Maybe if I keep working at it... Philippe Beaudette 18:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Ah, but I have the advantage. As a homosexual AND a new changes patroller, I'm doubly abominable... maybe you could convert to Wicca or get an intimate piercing to keep up with me. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Oi! You calling me abominable? Tonywalton | Talk 19:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, you're Wiccan but straight, so I guess you and I are equally abominable. If only I had some bacon, it might give me the edge. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
What the heck? They don't get much gay-er than I, dear. I should be doubly-abominable, too!Philippe Beaudette 19:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Dammit, I really should look at people's user pages once in a while, then. I'd just like to point out, then, that I am a junior high school English teacher, which is a fairly widely abominated profession. I apologize most sincerely for inadvertantly disparaging your gayness. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
The Barnstar of Being Abominable
Just because... Tonywalton | Talk 19:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
If this were poker, I'd "see" your junior high english teacher, and "raise" you a political consultant. We're DESPISED. OK, well then, since this one-upsmanship could go on for months, I suppose we should say "girls, you're both pretty..." and get on with life. Philippe Beaudette 19:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
That was my very first barnstar... I couldn't think of a better barnstar to be my first. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Man. I've been called a tyrant before, but not an abomination. I'm a teensy bit jealous--I haven't earned this much ire in a while. -- Merope 19:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
That was a madey-up one. This is a real one, and well-deserved
The Barnstar of Good Humor
For tirelessly putting up with attacks with good humour, never replying to attacks with attacks, and even making edit summaries worth reading Tonywalton | Talk 19:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Aw, geez, you're making me blush all over. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:24, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Good call, Tonywalton. If she doesn't deserve it, nobody does. Philippe Beaudette 19:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads-up. I'd like to check it out. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm just happy that the testarticle warnings haven't been altered--that's probably what I use the most. (So much so that I created shortcuts to them--{{t2a}}, {{t3a}}, etc.) -- Merope 19:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
But I like that there'll be separate warnings for {test} and {vandalism}, so I'll probably switch to the {vandalism} warnings and save {test} for those few that are actually tests. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Geez, we have a template for everything, don't we? Philippe Beaudette 19:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I just couldn't think of which template would be appropriate for a Wikipedia article on a non-notable person's usual pizza order, since {test9} is not in use. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
{{domino}} ? I do feel that that list is indeed weird and scary. It has, IMV anyway, far too many specific cases. When editors speedy tag articles now, it's reasonably rare to see even a half-way appropriate warning tag on the creator's talkpage. Ah well. Tonywalton | Talk 20:04, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Pity, that. Personally I'm not one for counting edits, but fair enough. Hope to see you RfA-ing again in a short while. I've refactored the RfA discussion so your withdrawal is more visible - I'd close the discussion (non-bureaucrats can close withdrawn nominations) but I'm not sure how! Regards, Tonywalton | Talk 10:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I found out how. Now closed and delisted. Cheers, Tonywalton | Talk 10:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, it was an interesting experience, and I got some idea of what people are looking for, including at least one area (Wikispace contributions) that I wouldn't have thought of. I'll send thank-you notes to those who contributed to the RfA and go on with my WikiLife, and try again in a good long while. -FisherQueen (Talk) 12:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Can I just be clear that my failure to support you was purely on the basis of the length of time you've been here, not number of edits. I've seen a lot of people arrive here, do thousands of edits in a very short time, and then just lose interest and disappear. If you look at the top 100 (or even the top 1000) contributors in terms of edit count, you'll find a large proportion of them have long since left the project. When you've stayed the course a couple more months, I'll be glad to support you. Deb 12:45, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad you withdrew the RfA. I know you'd do a fine job, but withdrawing now shows that you're serious about WP, and I'll point to that when I re-nominate you in a few months. ;) First bit of coaching--head to WP:AFD and read up, then pick out some of the articles currently up for discussion and evaluate them. It's a lot trickier than CSD, but it's also a lot more interesting at times. Then you can try your hand at other XfD areas -- categories, miscellaneous, the fun goes on. I hope the experience wasn't too stressful for you: for whatever reason, I thought my RfA was going to kill me. But look at all the fantastic feedback you got! -- Merope 19:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
It wasn't too awful, since I wasn't especially confident starting out. A little depressing, but it gave me some pointers... I'll remember to repay the debt by doing some RfA work myself when I'm grown up.
And, Hey, coach, I guess I did good, then- check out my contribs for the past hour... AfD is slower and requires more thought- and more consulting of policy- which is good. I just wish I could suggest "keep" for something today. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I want to express all of the sentiments above, and wish you the best in future Wikipedia activities. It's too bad a number of people couldn't see past edit count, but now you have more time to edit without the burden of admin responsibilities. (Do I stop my editing to visit WP:AIV every fifteen minutes?) I hope we interact again in the future :) —Cuiviénen 20:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd just like to comment for the record that I understand that the major issue that came up in my RfA was not the number of my edits, but the type- that I had been doing well in speedy-tagging but not very active in other areas, and thus lacked the wider range of experience on Wikipedia that is called for in an admin. On reflection, I agree that it's a valid critique, and I don't harbor any Bad Feelings toward anyone who opposed my RfA. I'm using the whole thing as a learning experience and will be working on slowly broadening the areas where I make myself useful. -FisherQueen (Talk) 22:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm new to this and im not sure if i am doing it right. Does the magazine article qualify it now? I just dont want to link directly to anything on the site and i think links are getting phased out with the nofollow thing...." Labrinthia 19:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
You should discuss the improvements on the article's talk page... I'm not the one who will make the decision. The magazine article helps, but it doesn't seem to have this service as its main subject... the notability guidelines at WP:WEB and WP:CORP (I'm not sure which one is more applicable here) will tell you clearly what is required for an assertion of notability. -FisherQueen (Talk) 20:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Just to let you know that I'm off-Wiki (pretty much) for a week or so from tomorrow as I'm off to see relatives. It's The Land Beyond Broadband, so I'll not be using the laptop much (I can recommend Apple iBooks though, this one fell out of my backpack today, went "SLAP g'doing g'doing g'doing rattlerattlerattle slssshhhhh" across the pavement and seems none the worse for the experience, save for a few battlescars on the casing). Why did I have the laptop in the backpack? I was doing my /expletive deleted/ tax return in the pub, of course.
Also, please raise a glass to John Schmitt, a good mate of mine. Though he was as non-notable as me in Wiki terms, I heard just this evening that he hung himself over the weekend. Bipolar disorder is not a good thing. (John's sad end is unrelated to my Wikibreak).
I'm assuming enough people are watching this talkpage that I don't need to leave lots of messages to lots of people. Best to all of you. Tonywalton | Talk 21:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, frapple deletion after substantial edit, I was following the guideline of semacode, that brought me to this site in the first place. Frapple is a word with meaning and is a verb adjective or noun! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frapplelink (talk • contribs)
I haven't really been following the issue. It annoys me that they're doing it, but I recognize that my annoyance is not a considered position of whether the changes are good but just my curmudgeony "I know all these template by heart, now I have to learn all the new names?" On that score, do you know if all the present templates will be retained as redirects to the new ones? If so, I'm just going to ignore it all and continue along set in my ways. If not,
I'll certainly use your updates for the toolbox.--Fuhghettaboutit 22:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I have no idea if the present ones will be kept. That would be nice, as I have them memorized, too. I guess I learned them, and I can learn the new ones... -FisherQueen (Talk) 23:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Apparently they are being retained without change separately, but have a usage note stating they are deprecated and to please use the new ones (sigh:-)--Fuhghettaboutit 23:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, I guess I'll learn to type {uw}, then. I only put the level one templates on my toolbox, on the grounds that I'm a reasonably intelligent person who can work out when to add a 3 on my own. -FisherQueen (Talk) 23:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, perhaps YOU are, but what about the rest of us knockheads who use your toolbox, eh? Thanks for the update! Philippe Beaudette 23:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
For the record: It's Fuhghettaboutit's beautiful toolbox, and I shamelessly stole it from him. -FisherQueen (Talk) 23:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
If I ever decide to post an awards page I'm quoting the above. I think it's time to cave in and update it.--Fuhghettaboutit 00:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I didn't realize that FisherQueen had stolen it. Now I lost all respect! How could I possibly steal what you rightfully stole first? Oh well, I'll go on... I guess I owe a debt of gratitude to Fuhghettaboutit, too! :-) Philippe Beaudette 03:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Wally and Osborne a.k.a. On the Rocks - in fact it meets WP:WEB[edit]
Comment "The content is not distributed via a medium which is both well known and independent of the creators, either through an online newspaper or magazine, an online publisher, or an online broadcaster." - What about Funbrain? Funbrain [1], rank 4,200, serializes this series. EDIT: Wikipedia article is at FunBrain.com - By the way, the comic is printed here: http://www.funbrain.com/comics/comic_ontherocks.htmlWhisperToMe 05:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
You should put your evidence against deletion on the AfD discussion. No one involved in the proposed deletion will see it on my talk page. -FisherQueen (Talk) 11:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I already posted it on the AFD :) WhisperToMe 15:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
We are a growing community of Wikipedia editors dedicated to identifying, categorizing, and improving articles regarding lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender (LGBT) and intersex people. LGBT Studies covers people, culture, history, and related subjects concerning sexual identity and gender identity - this covers a lot of ground and your help is appreciated! Some points that may be helpful:
Our main aim is to help improve articles, so if someone seeks help, please try to assist if you are able. Likewise feel free to ask for help, advice or clarification.
Thanks for the welcome! Jumpaclass looks like a game I'd definitely like to play, so I'll check out the list of stubs and plan a trip to the library. -FisherQueen (Talk) 13:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey FQ - I'm going to be in the UK this summer (London, York, Ely). Is that anywhere near you? Philippe Beaudette 04:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Not very near... I live in the United States. -FisherQueen (Talk) 11:52, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Now why the heck did I think you were from the UK? My bad. Philippe Beaudette 17:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Probably my excellent spelling. Now, since I have no idea where you are, I've been choosing to think of you as Canadian. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Eh, close. Family is from Canada a few generations back. I'm now in Oklahoma. Just like Canada, only more repressed and hotter. Philippe Beaudette 22:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm in Ohio. Just like Oklahoma, only there's no wind sweepin' down the plain. And, if I remember my geography correctly, a few more trees. -FisherQueen (Talk) 23:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I've been thinking of Philippe as being from the east coast--Oklahoma is kind of a surprise. Huh. I knew where FQ lived, because I am a creepy internet stalker. For the record, I live in the woodlands clear and cool. Also, the WP article on the Midwest contains the quote "The Midwest remains a melting pot of Protestantism and Calvinism, mistrustful of authority and power." I do not know why, but that's cracking me up. -- Merope 00:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I went to school on the East Coast, does that count? Still have family in Vermont. BTW, Merope, you're a lousy stalker, or you'd already know where I live. Or is it just that you don't want to stalk me? <sniff sniff, pout>. FQ, I did a project in Ohio for a while - Columbus, for the big insurance co there. Merope, for what it's worth, I thought you were in Britain too. Only cuz FQ made a comment about you being in the same time zone as her once. Philippe Beaudette 01:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the friendly POV notice! The Exodus International article certainly should have neutrality, and I commend you on seeking it. The current version, however, leaves something to be desired. Granted, the organization has critics (this should be reflected in the article), so finding neutrality may take additional effort. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jdfellows (talk • contribs) 19:32, 31 January 2007 (UTC).
I agree that the first paragraph could certainly be improved, but the paragraph that was recently proposed made it much, much more biased- not better. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Please forgive the overstep. I meant no offense, only to try to improve it. Together we make Wikipedia better. :-) Jdfellows 21:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, in the long run, it's good that you did, because your new version is definitely better than the original. (Sorry about the tone of the previous message... I remembered the change but had forgotten that you were the one who made it, and certainly didn't mean to come off as unhelpful). I feel all warm and fuzzy when people who violently disagree with each other can work together to achieve an article that both sides agree is fair... Abortion is an example that inspires me to renewed faith in humanity. -FisherQueen (Talk) 21:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
What you may not appreciate, is that he actually deserves it. He is the world's most SUCCESFUL paedophile, and Wikipedia is the best way to ensure that people know what he's up to. Your newest user 23:12, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
