Template talk:WikiProject Comics/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Inclusion of frequently edited to-do list in mass-included template

See here for a comment on some issues pertaining to how this template's being used. Alai 04:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Editor-friendly

I would like to edit this to make it look less a block of text, and more a very short summary/directory of resources avaible to interested editors. --Chris Griswold 18:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Propose your edit here in final form. The template is transcluded across so many articles it should be edited rarely, and not tweaked to get it looking right. Hiding Talk 19:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Balloon image

Perhaps it's just me, but it appears that the image overlaps the text (and does so on every talk page that this is on). Can someone fix it (since it's protected)? - jc37 22:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I was just about to say that, I'll post a {{helpme}} tag here and see if that works. Cbrown1023 00:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

It appears to be due to Internet Explorer's buggy handling of floated elements. I've fixed it, it works for me in Firefox and Internet Explorer. Cheers, Tangotango 08:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Nice job, thanks : ) - jc37 17:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Portal

We may want to get rid of the portal image; that might reduce the size quite a bit. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 17:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah. There's a trick other banners for in hiding stuff, that it's been suggested is implemented, see {{ME-project}}. I'm also thinking of amending the line "This article has not yet received a rating on the Project's quality scale. If you are a member of the project, please rate the article and then leave comments here to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses of the article." to "This article has not yet received a rating on the Project's quality scale. Project members should rate the article, leaving comments here explaining the rating." I'm also thinking of adding a future tag that will place articles in Category:Discussion of future comics. So I'm thinking get it all done in one hit, given there's concerns about the number of articles this is transcluded across and the strain on the servers editing it causes. Any thoughts? Hiding Talk 17:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
• Some of the other text can stand tweaking too. I'll have a further mock up. Hiding Talk 17:56, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Template creating whitespace

This template creates a huge whitespace here, I don't know what exactly causes it tho. Someone who knows how these templates work should have a look into this. --Conti|✉ 02:33, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

• I'm not clear whether it's the fault of this template or the one below it on that page, it doesn't happen on every page so there's a clash somewhere. I'll keep looking at it though. Hiding Talk 16:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks! --Conti|✉ 16:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
    • It's definitely something here, so I'll keep trying to pin it down. I've assembled code from everywhere, so I'm going to have to start again. It may take some time. Hiding Talk 20:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Right, I think I have it sorted but it'll take a while for the servers to propagate the changes across the articles, so I can't see it yet. It works in a mock up in my user space, put it that way. Hiding Talk 21:06, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Seems to work. Good job! :) --Conti|✉ 21:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

CFD: Protected edit request

Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 12, Category:Wikipedia comics articles needing their fiction made clear needs to change to Category:Comics articles that need to differentiate between fact and fiction. Can someone with sysop rights please update this template accordingly. Thanks! Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, it's done. -- Prove It ^(talk) 13:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Then I will resolve this: {{tl:EditProtected}} CMummert · talk 13:44, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Nested Functionality

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{| class="{{#ifeq:{{{small|}}}|yes|messagebox small-talk|messagebox standard-talk}} {{#ifeq:{{{hide|}}}|yes|collapsible collapsed}}"

With these lines:

{| class="{{#ifeq:{{{nested|}}}|yes|collapsible collapsed messagebox nested-talk|{{#ifeq:{{{small|}}}|yes|messagebox small-talk|messagebox standard-talk}}}}"
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{{#ifeq:{{{nested|}}}|yes|
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Thank you. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 05:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Y Done Harryboyles 09:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Blemish

It seems an unintentional quote mark (or 2 apostrophes) snuck in above the frame on that last edit, which surely can't have been intentional. Looks bad at any rate. MURGH ^disc. 13:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I see that. I think it was introduced when he tried to combine the code for the "hide" and "nested" functionality. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 13:57, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

 Done - Alison^☺ 05:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Change

Can, in the nested template, the importance be shown instead of the class. When you look at e.g. Talk:Halo Graphic Novel, you see four times that it is a GA, which is quite redundant. It would be more informative if we knew at a glance that it was of mid importance to the comicsproject, in my opinion. Fram 10:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Since no response is coming, I'll try this myself, to see if I can show both or else only the importance. Fram 11:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Work group functionality

Functionality has been added to support the new comics work groups, but there may be bugs I haven't as yet anticipated. A few category names have changed, but that is intentional, it brings them into line with convention. Other than that, I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Hiding Talk 14:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the layout changes that come with the new functionality look good, but I think I spotted a leftover:

• Under the expanded Editing guidelines, the line says Please remember these guidelines when editing a film article: and
• Create an Infobox that tells all pertinent information about the film.

I was also wondering if maybe there was an oportunity to squeeze in a small Comics portal link icon, like many other project banners do. Perhaps on the upper right in opposite symmetry to the speech balloon..? MURGH ^disc. 19:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll sort that asap. Hiding Talk 16:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Jc already beat me to it. Hiding Talk 15:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Nice work, but isn't the banner rather huge now? The bottom two lines (editing guidelines and certainly the additional info) will probably be very rarely used, but take up a lot of screen space. Similarly, I fail to see why the previous single line with class and importance wasn't sufficient (and IMO nicer). I notice that the template is virtually the same as that of the Film project, but then again, that one has the same problems. I think that a three or four line banner should be the max, otherwise they really start to become obnoxious when there are a few of them. Fram 15:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, it was easier to edit the film one to achieve the functionality than add it to our old version, and also that seems to be the standard look for them. The single line should still work when the tag nested=yes is added, for example when inside {{WikiProjectBannerShell}}, if I'm reading you right. A number of people seemed to indicate they liked the look of the film banner, so I didn't really see any issue with copying it. Hiding Talk 16:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh yes, the nested function works well, and the rest is just my opinion, not anything that 'has' to be changed. It doesn't bother me that much, just wanted to raise it here to see what other people felt. Fram 19:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'll mock up a version based on the old styling in a sandbox and maybe we can see which one polls best, even though polls are evil. I'm not 100% behind this one myself. Hiding Talk 15:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Ugh. I can't seem to work out how to mock up a version based on the old one right now. I could comment out the editing guidance if that would help? Hiding Talk 16:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

AHA. Have a look at User:Hiding/X6 and see if that's a little better? Hiding Talk 20:01, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Much better, thanks! Fram 20:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I've pasted that one across, we'll see how that goes down. Hiding Talk 21:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Template change reactions

Well, if we're gathering our reactions now I'll voice in. I quite liked the "previous new" look, and think the same slimming done by omitting the "Editing Guidelines" line would have worked nicely for that one too. But by all means, this old-new is fine. Any interest in activating the left hand phylactère image to link to the Comics portal instead of Speech_balloon.svg? MURGH ^disc. 21:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

• How about like that? Hiding Talk 23:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Right, I guess portal links are obliged to use the jigsaw icon. Cool, we're up to snuff. MURGH ^disc. 00:05, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Did you have another image of similar size in mind? Hiding Talk 14:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Just a thought about using one of WP's speech bubbles. I really didn't mean to nitpick, and there's something to say for staying within the confines of encyclopedic conformity. We don't want to dazzle or steal anyone's thunder, eh? MURGH ^disc. 15:01, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Resolved

 – see below

I notice the link to the talk page has gone - |I've always found it handy as if there is some concern that needs raising the link is always there at the top of the page. (Emperor 18:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC))

Space constraints. To kjeep it as small as possible I removed it to keep the message to three lines. I can rewrite and drop the noticeboard link if people prefer, as below, or someone can come up with something better.

• This article is in the scope of WikiProject Comics, a collaborative effort to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to comics on Wikipedia. Get involved! Help with current tasks, edit the attached article or discuss it at the project talk page.

Thoughts? Hiding Talk —Preceding comment was added at 10:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Tricky. The only thing I can think of is that the talk page has a header that leads to the notice board while none of the links there offer an obvious link through to the talk page (although clearly they are there). Bottom line is - I don't know. (Emperor 17:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC))

I also think it needs an obvious link to the talk page. Otherwise, no real problems leap out at me. Doczilla 18:14, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, this needs doing too. Hiding T 21:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

• I have tweaked the wording so there is a link to the project talk page. Hiding T 14:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Seems to mess up the category name

Resolved

 – see below

What I mean is that before, when you looked at Category:Top-importance Comics articles, most where ordered by the article name, not under the T of Talk. Now, more and more articles are listed under the T, which makes it harder to swiftly look through them. I think (but have no evidence) it has to do withj the workgroup template addition. Can anhyone confirm this and/or solve this? Fram 16:06, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• The {{PAGENAME}} sort was missing off the categorisation. Should work now. Hiding Talk 16:12, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
• It may take time to filter through. Hiding Talk 16:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Still no change for me... Fram 20:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Give it another couple of days, otherwise it'll be a case of putting the old categorising code back in. Hiding Talk 11:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem, things still work so there's no hurry. Fram 19:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Damn, I will get to this soon, too. Hiding T 21:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

• I think I cracked this I had the PAGENAME variable in the wrong place. Sorry it took so long. Hiding T 14:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Parameter problems

Some of the parameters are not working the way that they used to. I didn't notice any mention of this here on the talk page, so I'm assuming that this is not by design. Specifically, the parameters "fiction", "image", and "cleanup" used to each add an extra line to the template explaining what could be done to improve the article. As near as I can tell, these don't work currently. The fiction parameter might not be that important; I prefer using the {{in-universe}} template in articlespace as I think it gets more people's attention. However, I think that the cleanup and image parameters serve (or, at least, should serve) an important function. Is this problem local to me or are others experiencing it as well? --GentlemanGhost 21:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

• It should show up if you click the show link. It's right at the bottom. It might be that the text needs to be moved about. I'll try and workshop that at some point. Hiding T 21:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Well that was an easy fix. :) Somehow, I missed it. Thanks! --GentlemanGhost 23:26, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Cat class

Resolved

When an article is assigned "Cat" class, clicking on the the word "Cat" within the template sends you to Category:Cat-Class Comics articles when it ought to go to Category:Category-Class Comics articles. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 19:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

• Yeah. That's an error in, um, {{Cat-Class}} that I have, as yet, been unable to crack. Hiding T 19:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
• I think I have this figured now. Hiding T 14:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  • No I don't. I get the link working but then the categorisation doesn't. This might need a complete rewrite. Hiding T 14:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  • This one is bugging me. Hiding T 14:31, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
    • I've put a hack in until I figure this out. I think I might be nearer a better solution but I'm not sure. Hiding T 14:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
      • I'm fairly sure I've cracked it. Hiding T 16:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
        • Damn, nearly. Hiding T 16:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
          • Nailed it. Hiding T 12:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Missing punctuation

Resolved

 – done

The template doesn't add a period after "See comments". :) --GentlemanGhost (talk) 05:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Notice board

{{editprotected}} Currently clicking on "notice board" will link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Notice Board which is no longer the current notice board page; rather, the page should link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Notice board. This has created some ongoing difficulty to provide information to the appropriate notice board, (at least for me personally). Thanks! -66.109.248.114 (talk) 22:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC).

 Done Mr.Z-man 03:45, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Importance or quality scale?

{{editprotected}} The template appears to have an error in it:

{{!}} {{#ifeq:{{{small|}}}|yes|Importance:'''{{{importance}}}-importance'''|This article has been [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Assessment|rated]] as {{Comics/Importance|{{{importance}}}}}-importance on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Assessment#Quality scale|quality scale]]. }}

should probably be

{{!}} {{#ifeq:{{{small|}}}|yes|Importance:'''{{{importance}}}-importance'''|This article has been [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Assessment|rated]] as {{Comics/Importance|{{{importance}}}}}-importance on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Assessment#Importance scale|importance scale]]. }}

Hope that can be sorted. GDallimore (Talk) 11:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

 Done. Jon513 (talk) 14:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

B Class checklist

{{editprotected}}

There's an error in the template that it is looking for B-Class criteria confirmation when it is rated GA status. At least, I presume that's an error.

I haven't quite worked out all the details for this part of the template yet but think the fault lies with the switch at the beginning of the b-class checklist section.

{{!}}- <!--B-Class checklist--> {{#switch:{{Comics/Class|{{{class|}}}}}|FA|A|NA|Disambig|Redirect|Category|Future|List|Image|Portal|Needed|Current|FL|Template=|#default=

should have an extra switch for GA added, so

{{!}}- <!--B-Class checklist--> {{#switch:{{Comics/Class|{{{class|}}}}}|FA|GA|A|NA|Disambig|Redirect|Category|Future|List|Image|Portal|Needed|Current|FL|Template=|#default=

Hope I'm right on this. You can check the end result at Talk:Thrud the Barbarian which is GA rated. GDallimore (Talk) 14:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. Seems to work. --- RockMFR 23:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm going to now make the same request over on Template talk:Film should anyone be interested in following this and commenting where necessary... :) GDallimore (Talk) 09:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

That's not really an error. The GA class and the B-Class are from different scales. GA articles aren't automatically assumed to have met the B-Class criteria. Hiding T 10:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I would say that if an article fails to make B-Class it should never be rated GA. The list of things to check in the article is pretty much a subset of Wikipedia:Good article criteria and looks to be a way of improving B-Class articles to GA or A quality, not a list of requirements necessary to meet B-Class. In any event, if there wasn't an error in the template, there was an error in the documentation which says that the B-Class checklist is "available only for articles rated as "Stub-Class", "Start-Class", or "B-Class"". GDallimore (Talk) 15:27, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

It's still not an error because they are somewhat seperate scales. Having written the template and understanding the concepts we are discussing here, I know what I'm talking about. It's incorrect to call it an error. You don't agree with the way it was, and that's fine. But it isn't an error. Hiding T 03:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Making it work more closely with work groups

I was adding a to do list to the World comics work group and put in "more" links on to a more detailed list, so the priorities are on the main page but people can link through to all that is needed. This got me thinking about integrating this template with the work groups.

So for example an article tagged with a cleanup/image tag could be put into a category like "World comics work group articles needing cleanup" or "World comics work group needing an image" and these could then be linked in from the todo list via a simple more link. So by updating the infobox you are automatically populating the category which acts as a list of all the things needing work within that work group (if anyone spots something important there they can just add it to the main todo list so it is flagged as a priority.

You could even push it further - an article in the Creators work group and the World work group that needs an infobox would go in a "World comics work group creators articles needing an infobox" which would be useful as you could run through such a category and bang in the comics creators infobox - I know I'd find something like that useful.

It would not only help get a bit of life back in the work groups by having categories automatically filled which visitors can see but it'd help with addition of infoboxes (we now need a lot) as well as make people aware of the importance of keeping the headers updated and make people more aware the various options available to them.

With that in mind would it be an idea to include a "request" option? Add {{comicsproj|request=yes|World-workgroup=yes}} would automatically populate a request category, which is a much more usable approach than finding the huge arts request list and the comics subsection. If this was all generated through this template and we made sure it was linked through from prominent places it could be a real boon to the project. (Emperor (talk) 14:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC))

• We used to have a needed tag, which was for the same sort of reason you want a request tag, but they were frowned upon because they go on talk pages of articles which don't exist, and admins actively hunt and delete those under speedy criteria, regardless of their actual utility to other users. That would need to be changed before your idea would come to much, to be honest. The rest of it I did say I would do, so really, I guess I should. I need to remind myself how it is done. I'll try and implement it shortly. Hiding T 10:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
• Wait, I've already done this. See Category:Comics cleanup issues by workgroup and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of comics, the subcats are under W there. Or look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Statistics. I have to do the infobox one, granted, but clean up and images are already done. Hiding T 12:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Okay, the infobox by workgroup categories are set up, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Statistics. Hiding T 13:38, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • That's great thanks. I've made categories for each work group that helps pull this all together, e.g. Category:World comics work group. (Emperor (talk) 13:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC))
      • Got a chance to check out the new transcluded lists for articles needing infoboxes & images. This will be very useful. Thanks for your work! --hamu♥hamu (TALK) 21:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
      • Good catch on the categories. Hiding T 09:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

C-class

Resolved

 – Hiding T 10:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

There is now a C class rating [1] we have an appropriate category (Category:C-Class Comics articles but this template will need changing. I could get stuck in but fear I'd make a mess) so does anyone have better wiki fu? (Emperor (talk) 17:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC))

• Should be okay. For something like this there are three pages you need to amend, this one, Template:Comics/Class which sets up the categories for this page, and Template:Comics/Classhack‎, a hack because of issues with the category class which makes the little C in the yellow box link to the category. Hiding T 10:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks for that and the info - it looks like my getting stuck in would have either made me realise I had a lot of reading to do or I'd have made an awful mess ;) (Emperor (talk) 13:49, 8 July 2008 (UTC))
    • Funnily enough, it's how I learnt. Hiding T 09:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
      • Still learning. You also need to change Template:Comics/Work group categories. ;) Hiding T 18:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Sort

I was looking at Category:C-Class Comics articles and noticed that it is sorting people by their first name. I am unsure if it is possible but as the biography header has a listas field is there anything we can do with that? I had assumed it somehow created an automatic defaultsort but I suppose it just hardcodes it. I suspect this isn't possible for technical reasons but thought I'd throw the idea in as we are (or should be) adding such data into the headers. (Emperor (talk) 13:52, 5 August 2008 (UTC))

• I've never quite understood how the listas field works, but I'll see if I can play about with it when get time. Hiding T 23:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
• The listas usage by WP:BIO seems to be deprecated, according to Category:Biography articles without listas parameter. Hiding T 23:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Link to the bande dessinée portal

Given that there is a Portal:Bande dessinée page, I think it would be a good idea to include a link to this portal (as well as with the comics portal) in the talk pages of the articles related to the subject. The portal has a related work group WikiProject Comics/European comics work group, which is part of the WikiProject Comics. I suggest that the link to the BD portal appears when the article is within the scope of this European comics work group. In the banner, when one adds Euro=yes, there is already a link to the work group that appears, so it would be useful that a link to the portal appears at the same time. If it is possible to modify the banner, thanks. And if possible, with the image FrancoBelgianballoon.svg (question of aesthetics). Pah777 (talk) 16:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe the scope of the workgroup and the portal are equivalent, which would mean adding the portal to a lot of unrelated articles (Max and MLoritz, Polish comics, ...). Fram (talk) 08:25, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Polish and Hungarian comics can be considered as part of the Bande dessinée genre. Indeed, the term "bande dessinée" is much larger than "Franco-Belgian comics" and can concern all comics made in Europe - except the UK. There is no major contradiction with the definition of BD nor Franco-Belgian comics. It is even specified in List of Franco-Belgian comic series that "comics which are not created in French but in Dutch are sometimes included and sometimes excluded from the Franco-Belgian comics" (a sentence you are very likely to have written, Fram). It is olso specified on the portal that "the term bande dessinée is broad, and can be applied to (...) all comics in the styles of Belgian magazines, possibly expanded to include later French magazines"

The only receivable argument would be technical difficulties.Pah777 (talk) 20:15, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll let other people comment further, but the actual portal contradicts you: the portal is only about French language and Dutch language comics, and focuses on comics related to publishers Dupuis, Dargaud, Le Lombard, Casterman and Standaard. I have no problem with this, but it cannot be equated to European comics, just like a portal focusing solely on Japanese manga should not be equated with Asian comics, even though there as well it is the most important faction of it. Perhaps it is best if you raise this on the comics project talk page, where more people will probably see this discussion than here. Fram (talk) 07:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

There is no contradiction. I is possible that the topic is not sufficiently covered by the portal, because there is no mention of all European comics. But a portal must not provide comprehensive information (there are articles for that), and most of the articles related to the BD genre deal with comics of Belgian and French articles. The articles mentionned are the most important (I remind you this is the role of a portal). That is to say the comics series, artists, writers, publishers which are mentionned on the portal are those which are the most influent and which are the most representative of the Bande dessinée genre.

If you think the portal is unperfect (because you which a comics series appear for exemple, or a writer or drawer), feel free to edit it: the portal does need improvement. But you cannot refuse to link a portal to its corresponding project banner on the grounds that it is unperfect and does not adequately covers the subject, this is illogical (as if you refused to wikify an article because it is not a good article). Pah777 (talk) 01:26, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't refuse to link it "because it is imperfect and does not adequately cover the subject", I would personally not link it because it covers a different though partially overlapping subject. BD does not equal European comics, European comics are a much larger topic, ranging from Moomin to Fumetti. And I'm not interested in editing the BD portal, since I find it more useful to spend some of my time on the general comics portal: I believe that the BD portal does not have enough interested editors (and probably readers) to be viable, but that's just my opinion. Fram (talk) 14:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I insist that the Bande dessinée genre is broader than European comics.

And you contradict yourself, refusing to edit the portal associated to the work group you belong to. It is illogical to edit articles while refusing to edit the corresponding portal. Why do you think the comics portal is more useful than the BD one ? They have the same purpose: to facilitate the access to articles linked to a topic. Obviously, the BD portal is a much better means to access to articles related to European comics than the comics portal.

It is not surprising if there are few editors and readers for the BD portal. You have unjustifiedly rejected the use of a link to this portal in the related articles, and now you refuse the link in the project banner. It is no surprise that nobody knows the existance of the portal ! Pah777 (talk) 17:42, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Look, we will not agree on this one, and criticizing my lack of logic will not help. Not many people watch this page, so I would really suggest to you to discuss this on the talk page of the comics project. Fram (talk) 21:23, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

You are right, we won't succeeded in convincing each other. I will submit the case to the comic project (even if few people seem to be interested in European comics there) one day (in some months I think, I will be busy). I wich you a wonderful Christmas and a happy New Year. Have good holidays and all the best to you. Pah777 (talk) 22:49, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

New implementation of nested banners + tweaks

{{editprotected}} Please replace this part of the template:

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with the following:

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|- class="wpb-header"
! colspan="2" | [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics|WikiProject Comics]] {{#switch:{{Comics/Class|{{{class|}}}}}|NA|=
|#default=     (Rated {{Comics/Class|{{{class|}}}}}-Class)}}{{#if:{{{importance|}}} |   (Rated {{Comics/Importance|{{{importance|}}}}} importance)}}
|-
|[[Image:Speech balloon.svg|{{#ifeq:{{{small|}}}|yes|30px|40px}}|WikiProject Comics]]
|style="text-align:center;"|{{#ifeq:{{{small|}}}|yes|''This article is in the scope of '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics|WikiProject Comics]]'''|{{portalpar|Comics|break=yes}}''This article is in the scope of '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics|WikiProject Comics]]''', a collaborative effort to build an encyclopedic guide to [[comics]] on Wikipedia. '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Getting Involved|Get involved]]!''' Help with [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Task template|current tasks]], visit the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Notice board|notice board]], [[Wikipedia:Editing policy|edit]] the attached article or discuss it at the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics|project talk page]].''}}</code>

That is, add code for the new implementation of WikiProject banners, romove support for the broken |hide= parameter, and remove a wrong colspan value. Thanks. —Ms2ger (talk) 16:12, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Already done by User:Hiding. Thanks. —Ms2ger (talk) 19:26, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Mid-importance / Bold writing

Resolved

I recently tried to assess Delcourt_(publisher) to mid-importance, but it appears that the rating isn't in bold writing on the template. Is that correct? I'm using Google Chrome.
By the way, there are many articles not assessed yet, but maybe the assessment should be discussed first? (Anyway, if there are disagreements, it could always be changed later.) 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 09:44, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

• The importance should now be bold. There is a lot of articles which need assessing, please feel free to help out. As you say, any disagreements can be sorted out through discussion. Hiding T 09:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for the fix, maybe the "Stub-Class" should have the italics removed, as well, in analogy with the other templates. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 10:01, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

• Fair point. Done. Hiding T 10:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Deprecated use of comments

I've deprecated the use of comments on a sub-page, as I don;t think we use them any more. Hiding T 10:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Workgroup or work group?

I see J Greb has just changed some instances of "workgroup" to "work group". I'm not sure why but most of the groups use the variant with the space for the main category, but without the space for the assessment and cleanup categories. Compare:

• Category:World comics work group articles
• Category:World comics workgroup articles without infoboxes

Not sure if it's worth fixing this up or not. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:51, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Peer review

Adding the parameter "|peer-review=yes" appears to have no effect, which contradicts the instructions in Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Peer review#Instructions at paragraph 2.
Other templates include a link that leads directly to the peer review. Can someone fix this? The Template:WPBiography template uses this text:

 |HOOK_NOTE               = {{WPBannerMeta/hooks/peerreview
 |BANNER_NAME            = Template:WPBiography
 |category={{{category|¬}}}
 |peer review={{{peer-review|}}}
 |old peer review={{{old-peer-review|}}}
 |SIZE                   = x25px
 |LINK                   = Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Peer review
 |CAT                    = Requests for Biography peer review
 |OLD_CAT                = Old requests for Biography peer review
 |INVALID_CAT            = Biography articles with incorrect peer review or A-Class tagging
 |title                  = {{{title|}}}
}}

Richard75 (talk) 22:41, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Infobox?

I'm curious as to where the infobox flag has got to, it is one of the more important ones (more important than the image one I'd suggest). (Emperor (talk) 17:36, 4 April 2010 (UTC))

Do you mean this one? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:46, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Except in the example code given on the template's main page, which is the way it is used on an awful lot of pages (the majority I'd assume), it doesn't appear when it used to until quite recently: (Emperor (talk) 14:11, 18 May 2010 (UTC))

I see.  Fixed — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:24, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

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Template:Comicsproj → Template:WikiProject Comics — To standardize. –xeno^talk 22:55, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

• Comment Has WikiProject Comics been informed? 70.29.210.155 (talk) 04:59, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

  Now they have. Thanks, –xeno^talk 13:03, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

• Dubious. Advantage 1 (ease of use) is invalid, as all our articles can be tagged with the suggested target as well, and will work just as well (which also applies to e.g. WPBiography, WPBelgium, etcetera). The second advantage (future use of template) is highly unlikely for Comicsproj or the WP tags as well (I agree that for single word templates like Aids or Chemistry, this may be an advantage). The third advantage may be a good enough reason, but I'm rather wary of this. Bots shouldn't in general tag large amounts of articles anyway, as the error rate is usally too high (I remember the amount of Belgian articles incorrectly tagged with Wikiproject France by a bot). Fram (talk) 07:13, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

  Bots also benefit from standard banner forms if they are trying to add a shell to the page. –xeno^talk 12:25, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

• So the renaming is to make it easier for your bot? While making it a more trickier name for people to remember? I don't see the cost/benefit working out there. For something like {{Film}} I could see a point but even there it makes it very easy to remember which makes it much more likely people will add it. It doesn't seem broken so I don't really see the point. (Emperor (talk) 14:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC))

• It makes it easier for every bot doing maintenance on the top business, not just my bot. Consistency is also desirable. "Comicsproj" would of course, remain as a redirect. –xeno^talk 14:19, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

• For how long though? IIUC, the "'bot friendly" markup is only 'bot friendly if it is what is on the talk page. If those that are and have been tagging project pages continue to use Comicsproj out of habit and ease, then the 'bots are going to miss varying numbers of pages. I can easily see a fast move to kill the redirect at that point as the 'bots will still be having problems.
  Frankly, I'd say re-code the 'bots to recognize the Project banners that don't have a prefix ("WikiProject" or "WP"... or is WP a problem as well?). - J Greb (talk) 21:30, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

• Indefinitely, I would gather. In terms of my bot, if the template is moved it would first bypass Comicsproj to WikiProject Comics prior to doing the shelling. (FWIW, I would object to someone going through and bypassing all the redirects if they weren't doing other work on the page - that is wasteful.) Recoding is problematic, as the bot would have to somehow pull a list of all project banners and related redirects (several thousand) rather than recognizing standard forms. In any case, benefiting bots is only one reason for standardization. –xeno^talk 14:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

• As I indicated above, it (benefiting bots) is currently the only potentially valid reason for this move. The other reasons explained at the general request are not applicable here (doesn't make it easier to use for editors, and doesn't free up potential template names). Fram (talk) 14:41, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

• Is standardization/consistency among WikiProject banners not a virtue in-and-of-itself? –xeno^talk 14:43, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

• Not really, no... Fram (talk) 14:51, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

• *shrug* Other than Template:LOCproj, this is the only WikiProject banner template that takes this name form. –xeno^talk 15:00, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

But we have numerous forms - I mentions {{Film}} and we also have {{DisambigProject}} and {{NovelsWikiProject}} (just from the ones I use a lot) - there is no standardisation and it doesn't make any sense to address this issue one Project at a time. If you want standardisation for bots then why not add a standardised redirect in and get your bot to sniff them out? This would seem to save a lot of hassle. (Emperor (talk) 00:52, 28 May 2010 (UTC))

Indeed, we may be one of the few to use Proj, but there are many using Project, like the Template:American Football League project, Template:BBCproject or Template:DisambigProject. Never mind things like the Template:WPAFC and Template:WP India. Is there any indication how many templates, used on how many articles, would have to be changed/redirected to get the wanted consistency and ease-of-botuse? Fram (talk) 07:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

You may be right. This and some others have really been testing the waters, so to speak. Most of the other requested moves have been well-received. I don't plan to go on some mass-spree of bypassing the redirects for the ones that get changed, but it is easier to have one matrix that will bypass redirects to the standard forms, and then another that does the shelling when the forms are all standard (i.e. the redirects will only be bypassed when shelling is being done). –xeno^talk 18:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I have a workaround if this template doesn't get renamed, but I still think standard forms banner names are a good unto themself. –xeno^talk 18:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

• Comment wasn't this one of the standard names used for WPP banners? (ie. "WP Name" , "Nameproj" , "NamePoject" , "WikiProject Name" , "WPNAME" ) 76.66.193.224 (talk) 23:33, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

  Not as far as I can tell, and there are only 23 banners or redirects of this form: [2]. –xeno^talk 14:46, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Comment- having tried to co-ordinate a cross-project task, of generating lists of unreferenced BLPs, and being told by the Bot coder that I needed to use the actual template name, not a redirect, the WikiProject template naming system is a mess. Look at the range of names that are in use. The sooner we get all the projects aligned, the sooner maintenance tasks can be setup automatically, and not with a lot of effort. You have to start thinking outside your own project. The-Pope (talk) 16:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

• Support - seems like a fine idea, with the advantages outweighing the disadvantages. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 16:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The move was made. It seems like the template in documentation should also advise editors to use {{WikiProject Comics}} rather than {{comicsproj}} so I've gone ahead and made that change. If anyone has reason not to make that change yet please say. -- Horkana (talk) 15:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Or not. It's locked. I guess this is a request for the administrators to change the example, so editors have the right example to cut and paste and use conveniently. -- Horkana (talk) 15:28, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Portal Image

{{editprotected}} Can the three occurences of the portal image be updated from Portal.svg to Portal-puzzle.svg to match that used by the {{portal}} template. Thanks -- WOSlinker (talk) 12:03, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd say no since the current set up is in line with other WikiProjects that have their own Portals. - J Greb (talk) 17:19, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean? All the other portals have had this image updated. —fetch·comms 20:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Random smattering of examples from Category:WikiProject banners with quality assessment where a portal is present:

• {{WikiProject Africa}}
• {{WikiProject Amateur radio}}
• {{WikiProject Anatomy}}
• {{WikiProject Animation}}
• {{WikiProject Bob Dylan}}
• {{WikiProject Cats}}
• {{WikiProject Cleveland}}
• {{WikiProject Doctor Who}}
• {{WikiProject Dogs}}
• {{WikiProject Golf}}
• {{WikiProject Hong Kong}}
• {{WikiProject LGBT studies}} - ues it is a puzzel piece, but not the default
• {{WikiProject Mythology}}
• {{WikiProject Primates}}
• {{WikiProject Television}}
• {{WikiProject Video games}}

It seems that Portal-puzzle.svg is normally superseded by a project specific image. Or am I missing something here?

- J Greb (talk) 20:31, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

The portal.svg image in this cas is not in the portal box but in the more information section of the banner 3 times. -- WOSlinker (talk) 10:11, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

OK... I am missing something. I didn't see those in the template... Changeing those 3 makes sense. - J Greb (talk) 17:28, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

 Done Skier Dude (talk 05:31, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Portal link number

The number of links to portals featuring a given article is currently fixed at three. This may seem like enough, or perhaps more than enough for some articles, but currently the article on Anarky is featured on four articles (currently Anarchism, Comics, Speculative fiction, and Superheroes). Other heroes may someday be featured on as many or more (e.g. Wonder Woman hypothetically featured on Comics, Speculative fiction, Superheroes, Feminism, and Gender Studies). I suggest this number being expanded out to at least provide for five portal links. --Cast (talk) 22:06, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Requesting change, add B-Class checklist category parameters and add SVG versions

Some changes were made though the banner, including the B-Class checklist category parameters, |DISPLAY_ON_START=yes and |MAIN_TEXT which I've changed and added myself. In addition, I've replaced some of the PNG to SVG versions, including the Comics creators, Marvel Comics and Webcomics work groups. It is request if you could please make changes that I've made from the sandbox myself. Thanks. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions) 04:11, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

 Done -- WOSlinker (talk) 18:28, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 7 November 2011

Please add the Batman work group to the WikiProject Comics template, by adding the following text with any appropriate changes:

Under |HOOK_TF:

|tf 11=
 |TF_11_IMAGE       = Bat balloon.png
 |TF_11_TEXT        = Batman work group
 |TF_11_QUALITY     = yes
 |TF_11_ASSESSMENT_CAT= Batman articles
 |TF_11_MAIN_CAT    = Batman work group articles
 |TF_11_HOOK = {{WPBannerMeta/hooks/cats
   |category={{{category|¬}}}
   |cat 1={{{cleanup|}}}
    |CAT_1           = Batman work group cleanup
   |cat 2={{{infobox|}}}
    |CAT_2           = Batman work group articles without infoboxes
   |cat 3={{{image|{{{photo|}}}}}}
    |CAT_3           = Wikipedia requested photographs of Batman
 }}

Under |HOOK_NESTED:

|tf 11=
 |TF_11_NESTED      = Batman
 |TF_11_LINK        = Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Batman work group

Thanks! Fortdj33 (talk) 01:27, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

 Done -- WOSlinker (talk) 00:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

You will need to create the categories now. See Template:WikiProject Comics/class for a list of some of them. -- WOSlinker (talk) 00:07, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for your help. I'm excited to get started, and if you know anyone who might be interested, suggest that they join the work group! Fortdj33 (talk) 01:00, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 3 January 2012

Please add the Canadian comicswork group to the WikiProject Comics template, by adding the following text with any appropriate changes:

Under |HOOK_TF:
 |tf 11={{{Canadian-work-group|{{{Canadian|{{{canadian|}}}}}}}}}
  |TF_11_IMAGE          = Canadian speech balloon.svg
  |TF_11_TEXT           = [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Canadian comics work group|Canadian comics work group]]
  |TF_11_QUALITY        = yes
  |TF_11_ASSESSMENT_CAT = Canadian comics articles
  |TF_11_MAIN_CAT       = Canadian comics work group articles
  |tf 11 importance     = {{{Canadian-importance|}}}
  |TF_11_HOOK = {{WPBannerMeta/hooks/cats
   |category={{{category|¬}}}
   |cat 1={{{cleanup|}}}
    |CAT_1           = Canadian comics work group cleanup
   |cat 2={{{infobox|}}}
    |CAT_2           = Canadian comics work group articles without infoboxes
   |cat 3={{{image|{{{photo|}}}}}}
    |CAT_3           = Wikipedia requested photographs of Canadian comics
 }}

Under |HOOK_NESTED:

|tf 11=
 |TF_11_NESTED      = Canadian comics
 |TF_11_LINK        = Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Canadian comics work group

I hope this is all correct. Thanks! CüRlyTüRkey^Talk_Contribs 23:18, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Canadian comics work group

Please add the Canadian comics work group, along with the comments enabled and a svg vector image for the Batman work group which I've made at the sandbox. Thanks. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions) 10:24, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

 Done, synced straight from sandbox. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:55, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Peer review

Please add the peer review and collaboration parameter, and remove mainarticle parameter that had been not in use along with image resizing, add project-class, tf text template which I've added to the sandbox. Thanks. JJ98 (Talk / Contribs) 02:48, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Done. The template is now updated from the sandbox - sorry for the delay. I've also full-protected {{WikiProject Comics/tf text}} in line with the main template and the other subpage. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 14:39, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Looks good! I especially like how the workgroup section is visible if the article is only included in one workgroup, and otherwise collapses if there is more than one. Not to be picky, but would it be possible for you to modify the wording for all the workgroups, so that it says "This article is supported by the Comics creators work group"? Without the "the", it doesn't really read properly...Keep up the good work! Fortdj33 (talk) 00:09, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Done. Think I have done this. Hiding T 09:12, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! Fortdj33 (talk) 13:14, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Priority rather than Importance

The template has likely changed beyond recognition since I last had any good reason to rewrite it, but how hard would it be to change to using Priority like {{WikiProject Biography}} rather than Importance? Hiding T 08:24, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Auto parameter

Please remove the auto parameter per discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 January 19#Automatically assessed. Thanks. JJ98 (Talk) 08:35, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Done For consistency I've also removed the line which specifies the category, since it's now superfluous. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:00, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

New image for the Superman work group - any comments?

The image for the "Superman work group" is broken, I suggest to use this one instead: . Any comments, if not, the following should be changed:

|TF_2_IMAGE       = Superman1941.png

to

|TF_2_IMAGE       = Superman_S_symbol.svg

Christian75 (talk) 21:10, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

If it's under copyright protection, I don't think we could reasonably use it, could we? John Carter (talk) 01:13, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

@John Carter: The licence tag for File:Superman S symbol.svg says that it doesn't meet the threshold of originality necessary to be copyrightable. Do you think this tag is in error? If so, I'll put this request on hold pending discussion of the copyright issues. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 22:18, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

No response from JC, so I've made the change — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:08, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Change photo requests to image requests

As part of a nearly-completed shift to distinguish requests for photos from requests for images in general, it is requested that this template be modified to place talk pages in "Wikipedia requested images of..." categories, rather than the old "Wikipedia requested photographs of..." categories. As such, please supplement all references to "photo(s) of..." and "photograph(s) of..." with "image(s) of..." in both the template and its documentation, while maintaining backwards compatibility for the old "photo" parameters. In particular, change "photograph or picture" to simply "image". Note that the "Wikipedia requested images of..." categories have already been created. Thank you! — s w p b ^T 15:30, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Mock-up in sandbox. — s w p b ^T 14:32, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

@Swpb: I've already mocked-up in the sandbox. Please correct me if I'm wrong if I make mistakes, or if I did something bad. JJ98 (Talk) 00:07, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Not done for now: per moratorium proposed at Category_talk:Wikipedia_requested_images_by_subject#Way_forward. Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 00:46, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Aliased parameters

In the documentation, why does the example of the full syntax of the template use the "dispreferred" versions of the parameters that have other aliases? In other words, why is "photo" listed in the example, but "image" is the preferred parameter name given below? The same problem seems to be present for every other parameter that has an alias. V2Blast (talk) 05:37, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Typo in main template banner for Comics

It currently reads like this:

"... is within the scope of WikiProject Comics, a collaborative effort to build an encyclopedic guide to comics on Wikipedia. Get involved! If you like to participate, you can help with the current tasks, visit the notice board...."

It needs to have the word "would" added:

"If would you like to participate, you can help with the...."

Also, there is lots of strange cruft at the top of the page, e.g. page assessments and classes. None of that should be there as templates and documentation of templates aren't in mainspace. I would have cleaned it if I could.-- FeralOink (talk) 12:21, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I added the word "would", but not in the position requested. Also, I don't understand what you mean by lots of strange cruft at the top of the page. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Proposed edits to template documentation

This would be a good start, although a lot more needs to be done. This is what I did in the documentation and of course, recommend doing similarly to the corresponding real template.

1. Get rid of the |small parameter as advised in the comments
2. Move Comic book films out of regional/geographical section and put it with the other types (comic strips, webcomics etc.)
3. Revise peer review section so it makes sense given that there are two parameters
4. Change aliases for webcomics category

If you view my suggestions in edit, they are properly formatted. I would make changes but the corresponding work on the templates needs to be done too, and I don't have template editor access rights. Also, the entire Wikiproject for Comics seems kind of moribund. Also, there is a grammatical error even in the big main banner but I couldn't correct it.

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<div style="width: 530px; background: #dddddd; border: 1px solid black; padding:0.5em 1em 0.5em 1em;"><syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext"> {{WikiProject Comics |class= |importance= |attention= |cleanup= |fiction= |future= |needs-infobox= |needs-image= |listas= |category= <!-- B-Class checklist --> <!-- 1. It is suitably referenced, and all major points are appropriately cited. --> |B-Class-1= <!-- 2. It reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain major omissions or inaccuracies. --> |B-Class-2= <!-- 3. It has a defined structure, including a lead section and one or more sections of content. --> |B-Class-3= <!-- 4. It is free from major grammatical errors. --> |B-Class-4= <!-- 5. It contains appropriate supporting materials, such as an infobox, images, or diagrams. --> |B-Class-5= <!-- Reviews and collaborations --> |A-Class= |collaboration-candidate= |current-collaboration= |past-collaboration= |peer-review= |old-peer-review= |article-title= <!-- Portals --> |portal1-name= |portal1-link= |portal2-name= |portal2-link= |portal3-name= |portal3-link= <!-- Work groups (general topics) --> |Creators= |Strips= |Webcomics= |Films= <!-- Work groups (national and regional topics) --> |Canadian= |British= |Euro= |US= |World= <!-- Work groups (publisher topics) --> |DC= |Marvel= <!-- Work groups (character topics) --> |Batman= |Spidey= |Superman= }} </syntaxhighlight></div> === Parameters === General parameters: {{WPBannerDoc|class|PROJECT=Comics|ASSESSMENT_LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Assessment|bpara=b|bmax=5 |QUALITY_SCALE=subpage }} {{WPBannerDoc|importance|PROJECT=Comics|ASSESSMENT_LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Assessment |IMPORTANCE_SCALE=subpage }} {{WPBannerDoc|attention|PROJECT=Comics}} {{WPBannerDoc/note|cleanup|NOTE_TEXT=if the article requires general cleaning up. Please detail what aspects of the article require clean-up on the article's talk page, otherwise the tag can be removed without redress to the problems.|NOTE_CAT=Comics articles needing cleanup}} {{WPBannerDoc/note|fiction|NOTE_TEXT=if the article needs rewriting to maintain an out of universe approach per [[WP:WAF|Wikipedia:Writing about fiction]].|NOTE_CAT=Comics articles that need to differentiate between fact and fiction}} {{WPBannerDoc/note|future|NOTE_TEXT=if the article contains discussion of comics that have been announced but are currently unpublished. Such articles should avoid [[Wikipedia:Recentism|recentism]] and [[Wikipedia:Avoid statements that will date quickly|statements that will date quickly]].|NOTE_CAT=Discussion of future comics}} {{WPBannerDoc/note|needs-image|NOTE_TEXT=if the article requires an image, which should be added per [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/copyright|guidance]].|NOTE_CAT=Wikipedia requested images of comics}} {{WPBannerDoc|needs-infobox|PROJECT=Comics|INFOBOX_CAT=Comics articles without infoboxes}} {{WPBannerDoc|listas|first=Bob|last=Kane|first2=The|last2=Family Circus}} {{WPBannerDoc|category}} ====Aliases==== {{WPBannerDoc/synonym|b1|B-Class-1|b5|B-Class-5|; similarly for the other four pairs}} Reviews and collaborations: * '''A-Class''' – set {{para|A-Class|current}}, {{para|A-Class|pass}} or {{para|A-Class|fail}} if the article indicates the status of the article's A-Class review. {{WPBannerDoc/collaboration|LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Collaboration|candidate=collaboration-candidate|CANDIDATE_CAT=Comics collaboration candidates|current=current-collaboration|CURRENT_CAT=Current comics collaboration|past=past-collaboration|PAST_CAT=Past comics collaboration}} {{WPBannerDoc/peerreview|LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Peer review|peer=peer-review|PEER_CAT=Requests for comics peer review|oldpeeer=old-peer-review|OLDPEER_CAT=Old requests for comics peer review}} ** '''article-title''' – If the peer review page has been started, but is not at <code>Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Peer review/[[Help:Magic words#Variables|{{tlf|SUBJECTPAGENAME}}]]</code>, set this parameter; i.e. if the peer review page is <code>Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Peer review/Foobar</code>, set {{para|article-title|Foobar}}. Portals: * '''portal''X''-name''' – if the article has been selected for use on a portal, the name of that portal. The name should be given without any formatting or namespace prefixes; thus, [[Portal:Comics]] is given as "<code>|portal1-name=Comics</code>". Up to five different portals may be specified, via the parameters '''portal1-name''' through '''portal5-name'''. * '''portal''X''-link''' – the portal subpage location where the article may be found on the corresponding portal. This should be given as a pure unlinked subpage name; thus, [[Portal:Comics/Featured article/9]] is given as "<code>|portal1-link=Featured article/9</code>". === Task forces === [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics#Work groups|Work groups (general topics)]]: {{WPBannerDoc/tf|Creators-work-group|TF_LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Comics creators work group|TF_NAME=the Comics creators work group|TF_QUALITY=Comics creators articles|TF_MAIN_CAT=Comics creators work group articles|TF_ASSESSMENT_CAT=Comics creators articles}} {{WPBannerDoc/tf|Strips-work-group|TF_LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Comic strips work group|TF_NAME=the Comic strips work group|TF_QUALITY=Comic strips articles|TF_MAIN_CAT=Comic strips work group articles|TF_ASSESSMENT_CAT=Comic strips articles}} {{WPBannerDoc/tf|Web-work-group|TF_LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Webcomics work group|TF_NAME=the Webcomics work group|TF_QUALITY=Webcomics articles|TF_MAIN_CAT=Webcomics work group articles|TF_ASSESSMENT_CAT=Webcomics articles}} {{WPBannerDoc/tf|Films-work-group|TF_LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Comic book films work group|TF_NAME=the Comic book films work group|TF_QUALITY=Comic book films articles|TF_MAIN_CAT=Comic book films work group articles|TF_ASSESSMENT_CAT=Comic book films articles}} [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics#Work groups|Work groups (nations and regions)]]: {{WPBannerDoc/tf|Canadian-work-group|TF_LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Canadian comics work group|TF_NAME=the Canadian comics work group|TF_QUALITY=Canadian comics articles|TF_MAIN_CAT=Canadian comics work group articles|TF_ASSESSMENT_CAT=Canadian comics articles}} {{WPBannerDoc/tf|British-work-group|TF_LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/British comics work group|TF_NAME=the British comics work group|TF_QUALITY=British comics articles|TF_MAIN_CAT=British comics work group articles|TF_ASSESSMENT_CAT=British comics articles}} {{WPBannerDoc/tf|European-work-group|TF_LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/European comics work group|TF_NAME=the European comics work group|TF_QUALITY=European comics articles|TF_MAIN_CAT=European comics work group articles|TF_ASSESSMENT_CAT=European comics articles}} {{WPBannerDoc/tf|US-work-group|TF_LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/United States comics work group|TF_NAME=the United States comics work group|TF_QUALITY=United States comics articles|TF_MAIN_CAT=United States comics work group articles|TF_ASSESSMENT_CAT=United States comics articles}} {{WPBannerDoc/tf|World-work-group|TF_LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/World comics work group|TF_NAME=the World comics work group|TF_QUALITY=World comics articles|TF_MAIN_CAT=World comics work group articles|TF_ASSESSMENT_CAT=World comics articles}} [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics#Work groups|Work groups (publishers)]]: {{WPBannerDoc/tf|DC-work-group|TF_LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/DC Comics work group|TF_NAME=the DC Comics work group|TF_QUALITY=DC Comics articles|TF_MAIN_CAT=DC Comics work group articles|TF_ASSESSMENT_CAT=DC Comics articles}} {{WPBannerDoc/tf|Marvel-work-group|TF_LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Marvel Comics work group|TF_NAME=the Marvel Comics work group|TF_QUALITY=Marvel Comics articles|TF_MAIN_CAT=Marvel Comics work group articles|TF_ASSESSMENT_CAT=Marvel Comics articles}} [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics#Work groups|Work groups (characters)]]: {{WPBannerDoc/tf|Batman-work-group|TF_LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Batman work group|TF_NAME=the Batman work group|TF_QUALITY=Batman articles|TF_MAIN_CAT=Batman work group articles|TF_ASSESSMENT_CAT=Batman articles}} {{WPBannerDoc/tf|Spider-Man-work-group|TF_LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Spider-Man work group|TF_NAME=the Spider-Man work group|TF_QUALITY=Spider-Man articles|TF_MAIN_CAT=Spider-Man work group articles|TF_ASSESSMENT_CAT=Spider-Man articles}} {{WPBannerDoc/tf|Superman-work-group|TF_LINK=Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Superman work group|TF_NAME=the Superman work group|TF_QUALITY=Superman articles|TF_MAIN_CAT=Superman work group articles|TF_ASSESSMENT_CAT=Superman articles}} ==== Aliases ==== {{WPBannerDoc/alias|Batman-work-group|Batman|batman|multi=yes}} {{WPBannerDoc/alias|British-work-group|british|British|multi=yes}} {{WPBannerDoc/alias|Canadian-work-group|canadian|Canadian|multi=yes}} {{WPBannerDoc/alias|Films-work-group|film|Film|multi=yes}} {{WPBannerDoc/alias|Creators-work-group|creators|Creators|multi=yes}} {{WPBannerDoc/alias|DC-work-group|DC|dc|multi=yes}} {{WPBannerDoc/alias|European-work-group|euro|Euro|multi=yes}} {{WPBannerDoc/alias|Marvel-work-group|Marvel|marvel|multi=yes}} {{WPBannerDoc/alias|Spider-Man-work-group|Spidey|spidey|multi=yes}} {{WPBannerDoc/alias|Strips-work-group|strips|Strips|multi=yes}} {{WPBannerDoc/alias|Superman-work-group|Superman|superman|multi=yes}} {{WPBannerDoc/alias|US-work-group|us|US|multi=yes}} {{WPBannerDoc/alias|Web-work-group|web|Web|multi=yes}} {{WPBannerDoc/alias|World-work-group|world|World|multi=yes}} To avoid needlessly cluttering up talk pages, it is usually appropriate to remove any unused parameters from the template. <includeonly>{{Sandbox other||<!-- ++++ PLEASE ADD CATEGORIES AND INTERWIKIS BELOW THIS LINE, INSIDE INCLUDEONLY TAGS, THANK YOU. --> [[Category:WikiProject Comics| ]] [[Category:WikiProject Comics templates]] [[Category:Comics templates|{{PAGENAME}}]] }}</includeonly>

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Sorry it looks so messy, but I enclosed it all in nowiki tags. --FeralOink (talk) 12:07, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I can't work out what you are asking for here. But as a general principle, the documentation should describe the actual behaviour of the template, you should not change the documentation in anticipation of a template change that has not been implemented. If you want parameters to be added, amended or removed, here is how you should proceed:

1. Start a discussion at WT:WikiProject Comics. Describe why you think that the present template is problematic - what you think is missing, what you think should be altered, what you think should be removed - and in every case state why the present situation is a problem, and why your proposed change would improve it.
2. Allow other WikiProject members at least a week to discuss it
3. When a clear consensus has emerged to alter the template, make the appropriate amendments to the template's sandbox (which I have initialised for you)
4. Make some testcases (see WP:TESTCASES) at Template:WikiProject Comics/testcases
5. Raise a template-protected edit request on this page. Include a link to the discussion at WT:WikiProject Comics that demonstrates consensus, also a link to the relevant section of the testcases page. Do not paste blobs of code; if you wish to show the changes requred, a simple diff of the sandbox page may be used.

When the live template has been amended (and not before), the documentation can be updated to suit. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:57, 1 July 2023 (UTC)