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The Washington DC area has a large Zimbabwean community of over a 1000 people. They often congregate and celebrate at popular night spots in the D.M.V. (District of Columbia, Maryland and Northern Virginia) metropolitan region. They even host a summer football (soccer) league with other nations such as Zambia, Malawi, Kenya and more. You are sure to run into at least one Zimbabwean in Washington DC who more than likely knows many more. What aids the sizable community of Zimbabweans in the D.M.V. is mainly the largely diverse population of the U.S. capitol. Here you find almost every nation represented among the masses. Even though Washington D.C. is the main metropolitan zone of reference, the city of D.C. itself actually houses very few Zimbabweans, most live in the outlaying suburbs in Montgomery County, Frederick County, Fairfax and other counties.

Thanks, cab (talk) 08:27, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

CIA World Fact book[edit]

The CIA World Factbook gives Zimbabwe as the most popular country for IMMIGRATION in the World at 24 per 1000. Some mistake surely? Streona (talk) 15:16, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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  • From Zimbabweans in the United Kingdom: "Zimbabwe: Mapping Exercise" (PDF). London: International Organization for Migration. December 2006. Archived from the original (PDF) on 16 July 2011. Retrieved 6 April 2010.
  • From Malaysia: "Population Distribution and Basic Demographic Characteristics" (PDF). Department of Statistics, Malaysia. p. 82. Archived from the original (PDF) on 22 May 2014. Retrieved 4 October 2011.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 07:47, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Split to Rhodesian Diaspora and Zimbabwean diaspora[edit]

I propose that the article be split between articles for a Rhodesian diaspora and a Zimbabwean diaspora, seeing that the two groups have a much different motivation and time frame of their departure, and are not that similar. Whites mostly left in response to the implementation of Black majority rule and it's immediate aftermath, while others may have left due to more economic reasons. > See how there are different articles for Mariel boatlift and Golden exile describing those groups. Serafart (talk) (contributions) 00:58, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, Zimbabwe has been independent for over 41 years now, ongoing links to Rhodesia seem rather irrelevant and revisionist at worst. Perhaps there could have been a case for such in the 1980s but the overwhelming majority of the 5-7 million Zimbabweans abroad today identify with Zimbabwe not Rhodesia as it was under Ian Smith. You could refence this group in the history section but this is already covered in the Zimbabwe, British diaspora in Africa, Rhodies, whenwe, Afrikaners, white Africans and white people in Zimbabwe articles to name a few. The purpose of this article is to document all people of Zimbabwean heritage who live outside of the country, irrespective of when or why they left. The modern diaspora dates from the nineties and 2000s and vastly outnumbers those who were opposed to majority rule in 1979. Additionally, the Zimbabwean diaspora is noted for its intense and unified opposition to ZANU-PF, with frequent protests at Zimbabwean embassies featuring people of diverse backgrounds (see Embassy_of_Zimbabwe,_London and Evan Mawarire). Many prominent people of white Zimbabwean heritage such as Chris Martin, David Pocock and Heston Blumenthal identify with the modern state of Zimbabwe not the Smith government. It should also be noted that references to white Rhodesians was a popular tactic used by ZANU-PF to attack and discredit white people in Zimbabwe and abroad until 2018. Also there is no campaign to split the South African diaspora into pre and post apartheid emigrants, despite a more brutal segregationist history, what is different about Zimbabwe? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.232.213 (talk) 07:21, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rhodesia and Zimbabwe mean very different things. I'd be surprised if most Rhodesia supporters have ever been to Africa. Rhodesia has been (and continues to be) fetishized by white nationalists and support for it had a big influence on the Far Right/White nationalist movement, see Soldier of Fortune magazine. If we had enough sourced material a separate article on this might be appropriate. Hamster Drink (talk) 00:04, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Hamster Drink and 71.241.232.213: Maybe instead of creating a separate article for the White Zimbabwean diaspora, it could be more appropriate to create an article about the initial exodus of whites from Rhodesia in the 80s. Serafart (talk) (contributions) 16:03, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Serafart Several members of our wikiproject are suspicious of your suggestions, would you please tell us why you seem so fixated on 'white Rhodesians' in 2021, when few people seriously identify with that label? Are you even aware of current affairs in Zimbabwe? Why not the same for South Africa? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonard skynerd (talk • contribs) 16:42, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Leonard skynerd: I'm not "fixated" on that label, that was just the first one I thought of when proposing either a split of this article or a creation of a new one. The exodus from Zimbabwe in the 80s and the one from the 2000s involve different circumstances, and those specific exoduses could merit a separate article. Serafart (talk) (contributions) 16:47, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Serafart Historians and Zimbabweans alike are unhappy of the emergence of their country (along with South Africa) in far right circles, especially by Americans, which is why you have received such as frosty reception. It demonstrates the ignorance that the world perceives of the US. You don't see this in Britain because they are aware of the complex nuances of the colonial era. Other users have indicated that the history of emigration is covered extensively in other articles and discussed here as well. This article is about all people from Zimbabwe and especially about these emigrant communities in their respective destination. The project was done by several members, including historians to be as neutral as possible. I really don't understand what more needs to be added to make you happy.

@Leonard skynerd: Nothing else needs to be added or removed from the article. My main proposal here is to discuss maybe creating an article that would deal with the specific exodus in the 1980s and those who left in it, in the same way there are articles for other exoduses. This would not entail removing anything from this article, which serves its purpose well. Serafart (talk) (contributions) 23:39, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Serafart and Serafart: I stumbled on this article after reading about Rhodesia in discussions of the far right, particularly its attention in the old magazine "Soldier of Fortune". I'll bow out of this discussion since I after thinking I'm probably not knowledgeable enough to write that article.Hamster Drink (talk) 00:14, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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