Talk:Winter of 1990–91 in Western Europe

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Did you know... that "the wrong kind of snow" delayed British Rail services during the winter of 1990–1991?

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I think that the article should either present a worldwide view of the subject or it should be renamed to fit its content. Jan.Kamenicek (talk) 22:54, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the {{globalize}} template since a worldwide view is probably going to be a bit difficult. It was really Europe that this affected. A move would probably be a more suitable solution. I came across reports of snow in the US in 1990-91 while I was looking for material for this article, but heavy winter snow there is probably not as unusual so probably wouldn't be relevant to this particular article. A couple of things I could add though include; the southern Soviet Union experienced an unusally cold snap in February 1991 while Spitzbergen in Norway has unseasonably mild waather shortly before the February freeze. If you want to move the article to something like European winter of 1990–1991 and there's consensus for that then I'll support that. Thanks TheRetroGuy (talk) 12:22, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, if the article is moved, I will not insist on the {{globalize}} template. At the moment the first sentence is wrong, stating that "The winter of 1990–1991 was a particularly cold European winter...". It seem as if non-European countries had no winter of 1990-1991. Even after the move to "European winter of 1990–1991" the article should be expanded, adding info on what was happening in the rest of Europe. If there was nothing extraordinary in central Europe (Germany, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Austria, Hungary...), south-east Europe (Greece, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria...), north-east Europe (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania...) and other not mentioned regions, it should be stated so. Jan.Kamenicek (talk) 13:16, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Germany is mentioned in one of the articles I referenced as having been affected by snowfall, but I couldn't find detail on the others. I wouldn't like to add anything without actually knowing what the case was. You make a good point about the opening sentence which could be misleading. There are actually several of these articles entitled "Winter of ..." which deal with winters in specific parts of the world so they probably all need some attention. I used Winter of 1946–1947 as a basis for building this one, which opens in much the same way. Not sure what to do. If you want to re-add the {{globalize}} tag then that's ok (I won't remove it again), or if there's somewhere where help can be requested for expanding this topic then it could be mentioned there. Let me know what you think. TheRetroGuy (talk) 14:01, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it is one of features of Wikipedia that not all articles have all the necessary information, so I would not bother too much if you cannot find the information on the rest of Europe, you did a good job anyway. However, the topic of the article is really European, so unless you have any serious objections, I will move it. Jan.Kamenicek (talk) 14:12, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No objections from me. One or two ideas I've just been thinking of are "Western European winter of 1990–1991" or "Winter of 1990–1991 in Western Europe". I've just been reading the article on Western Europe and it pretty much covers all the countries mentioned in this one. TheRetroGuy (talk) 14:16, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This seems the best solution. I do not mind which of the two "western" possibilities you choose. Jan.Kamenicek (talk) 14:28, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll go for "Winter of 1990–1991 in Western Europe". TheRetroGuy (talk) 14:31, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ok, article now moved. I'll modify all the links I've added and update the DYK thread. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 14:35, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks and keep up good work. Jan.Kamenicek (talk) 16:56, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Death toll[edit]

Is the death toll accurate? I think 37 people were killed in the UK and Ireland, not 40, making the overall death toll 39. The New York Times article that is meant to record 10 deaths in the UK and Ireland only reports 7.AmSam13 (talk) 22:53, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]