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misnomer[edit]

The article needs to point out that no lines were actually widened to create the so-called widened lines. Tracks may have been added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 13:48, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

History[edit]

Date	Comment
October 1863	GNR connection at King's Cross
23 December 1865	MR reaches Moorgate
1 January 1866	Junction with LC&DR opens
20 February 1866	Through passenger working between LC&DR and GNR
1 March 1866	widened lines between Farrindon to Aldersgate open
1 July 1866	widened lines open to Moorgate
17 February 1868	Joined to mainline at King's Cross and St Pancras
13 July 1868	Midland Railway runs to Moorgate
1871	LC&DR runs into Moorgate via a new link

Liverpool to Paris?[edit]

The article says "By the end of the 19th century a continental service was operating from Liverpool to Paris, via the Widened Lines. Trains departed at 08:00 and arrived in Paris by 22:50 having travelled by paddle steamer across the Channel at Folkestone".

Is this true? I don't recall ever hearing of such a thing.

In any case, the text implies that the train was shunted on to the ship at Folkestone, but I can't find any evidence of such things existing before the first world war. -- Alarics (talk) 11:12, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This paragraph was added by HortyPapalOfferings who unfortunately hasn't been active for over a year. I don't have access to the source so I can't check what it says in there. --PhiH (talk) 07:33, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I've now found the cited book on Google Books. On page 56 it does say more or less what is claimed, but not including the probably inadvertent implication that the train was shunted on to the ship. Unfortunately, it is not the kind of book that cites its sources, so ideally we need better evidence. Does anyone have access to a continental timetable for the 1890s? -- Alarics (talk) 11:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Which railway ran the service between Liverpool and London? Was it the London & North Western; the Great Western; the Midland; or (just conceivably) the Great Northern by virtue of its one-third share in the Cheshire Lines Committee? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:16, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mainly the LNWR I think. The GWR had to make do with Birkenhead. -- Alarics (talk) 21:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can find info about a GWR service from Birkenhead to Dover via Reading, Guildford and Redhill. I'm wondering how a LNWR train might reach the Widened Lines - there was no connection at Euston. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:26, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]