Talk:Whatcha Think About That

Should not be deleted

The song received an official single release on September 9, 2008. It has charted. The single is a failure which should be noted in the article. A single failure doesn't mean the article should be deleted because it lacks charts. The music video will be released in a couple weeks. Charmed36 (talk) 19:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia:MUSIC#Songs "Most songs do not merit an article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for a prominent album or for the artist who wrote or prominently performed the song. Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable." Under this definition, I don't feel this single meets the criteria for notability. It hasn't won any awards, and there are no "notable" chart listings.

There is also already an article for the album, where some of the info is already included, and perhaps the section on the singles could be expanded? But if you disagree about the notability of the article, feel free to remove the "prod" template. Anyone who disagrees about a prod can remove it. raven1977 (talk) 20:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry but this is an official single and currently charting. There are other articles with three or four sentences. They have not been deleted. Charmed36 (talk) 23:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

It is completely unfair to this article and OFFICIAL SINGLE WHICH IS CURRENTLY CHARTING and has a music video. Charmed36 (talk) 23:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Music video has been released. Not worth deleting imo. Getluv (talk) 21:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Anyone who wants to weigh in on the nomination for deletion is more than welcome to join discussion at its "Deletion Discussion" page here: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Whatcha_Think_About_That raven1977 (talk) 23:47, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

The next week after this song was digitally released, it debuted on the Billboard Bubbling Under Hot 100 chart at #108 and fell off the chart after that. I know this as I have a membership to billboard.biz and have regular access to their charts. Whoever keeps changing this number to 100, STOP IT!, especially since I'm citing references and this person has no cite validation. Please and thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by I c u trippin (talk • contribs) 08:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

This record is no longer an active single. The record label has elected to push "I Hate This Part" to radio. As this record had yet to chart on the Mediabase or BDS Airplay charts, I have boldly redirected the article to the album's article. --Winger84 (talk) 22:08, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it should be redirected. It's still a single. The article should remain. Charmed36 (talk) 22:48, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

This record is not a single, per the record label. I'm thisclose to AfD'ing the article. --Winger84 (talk) 19:25, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

The song was released to radio and digital outlets. The video was released. If the song is a so-called "digital single" it's still a single. "Per the record label", it's a cover up for the single disappointment. Charmed36 (talk) 02:33, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

The mere fact that it was released does not make it notable. The mere fact that a video was made...does not make it notable. AfD#2 goes up later today. --Winger84 (talk) 05:39, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

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Orphaned references in Whatcha Think About That

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Whatcha Think About That's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "UKSales":

• From Don't Cha: Copsey, Rob (August 22, 2018). "Strictly Come Dancing: Faye Tozer vs. Lee Ryan vs. Ashley Roberts' chart stats". Official Charts Company. Retrieved August 22, 2018.
• From Jai Ho! (You Are My Destiny): White, Jack (October 9, 2017). "Pussycat Dolls' biggest singles on the Official UK Chart revealed". Official Charts Company. Retrieved October 12, 2017.

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Whatcha Think About That/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 18:00, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

The most recent songs GAN; I will start reviewing this on shortly! --K. Peake 18:00, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• The Pussycat Dolls → the Pussycat Dolls per MOS:THEMUSIC

•  Done changed.

• Avoid the usage of the word studio in the parameter of the same name per Template:Infobox song

•  Done Removed the word "studio".

• Pipe Mickaël Furnon to Mickey 3D

•  Done Piped.

• Link to the music video in the infobox with the template (LpGFhuokOXw)

•  Done Link added.

• "The Pussycat Dolls from their second studio album" → "the Pussycat Dolls for their second studio album,"

•  Done Changed.

• "features American rapper Missy Elliott who" → "features a guest appearance from American rapper Missy Elliott, who"

•  Done

• "with song's producer" → "with the song's producer"

•  Done

• You should list Mickaël Furnon as being a writer in the above sentence, who "received songwriting credit due to his work being sampled with the pipe and also pipe his name to Mickey 3D

•  Done Piped and piped.

• Move the actual sample to being in the same sentence as the electropop and midtempo info directly before the riff, plus just write the artist it is by

•  Done Moved the sample in the same sentence with the genres

• "The song was released on" → "It was released on"

•  Done

• Pipe single to Single (music)

•  Done Piped.

• "and February 23, 2009" → "and on February 23, 2009"

•  Done + "on".

• You should change the role reversal part to being its own sentence, starting with "Lyrically, the Pussycat Dolls..."

•  Done Included the role reversal part in a new sentence.

• "and her song, "I Kissed a Girl" (2008)." → "and her song "I Kissed a Girl"." since release year is unnotable for the lead

•  Done Removed the year.

• Pipe music critics to Music journalism

•  Done Piped.

• "the song's production and Elliot's contribution," → "the production and Elliot's vocals,"

•  Not done Critics mostly referred to Elliot's rapping and rhyming, not her vocal capabilities. --MrHyacinth (talk) 18:42, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Shouldn't you mention Fosse's full name?

• Not sure The dance and Broadway communities often use his last name. ex. Fosse moves, Fosse dance. Note: There is also a musical based on his choreography, Fosse. --MrHyacinth (talk) 18:42, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• MrHyacinth I did not have awareness of that before but with the knowledge I now have, I'd say you needn't change this. --K. Peake 21:09, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• "in a burlesque lounge." → "in burlesque areas." per the body

•  Not done In the video there is a neon sign that says, "Pussycat Doll Lounge" --MrHyacinth (talk) 18:42, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• "The group performed the song in few" → "The Pussycat Dolls performed the song for a few"

•  Done

Background

• Retitle to Background and release

•  Done retitled.

• "by its producer" → "by its sole producer"

•  Done

• "Missy Elliott and Mickaël Furnon" → "Missy Elliott, and Mickaël Furnon" with the pipe

•  Done Piped.

• Pipe rock to Rock music

•  Done Piped

• "Dean handled as well the vocal production" → "Dean handled the vocal production as well,"

•  Done

• "Aubry "Big Juice" Delaine and Matt Wheeler with" → "Aubry "Big Juice" Delaine, and Matt Wheeler, with"

•  Done

• Pipe mixed to Audio mixing (recorded music)

•  Done Piped

• "Elliott is the first" → "She is the first" to avoid starting two sentences with her surname

•  Done I'll start avoiding that!

• Introduce Nicole Scherzinger as being a group member

•  Done I wrote "lead singer" instead; is that ok?

• "elevates the group to" → "elevated the group to"

•  Done

• Introduce Kimberly Wyatt as being a fellow member

•  Done

• "on the group's website and was available for" → "through the Pussycat Doll's website for" to avoid being overly wordy

•  Done

• Change date to August 29, 2008 per the source

•  Done Changed

• Italicise Rap-Up

•  Done Italiszed.

• "unveiled the cover art confirming" → "unveiled the cover art, confirming"

•  Done added the comma.

• "to be released after" → "to be released as the follow-up to their single" with the pipe

•  Done

• Identify contemporary hit as contemporary hit radio

•  Done

• "was available for digital download" → "was made available for digital download in the country"

•  Done

• "as the third single" → "standing as the third single"

•  Done

• Change to mention that it coincided with their schedule for the Doll Domination Tour and specify what you mean by the isles

•  Done

Composition

• Retitle to Composition and lyrics

•  Done retitled

• ""Whatcha Think About That" is an" → "Musically, "Whatcha Think About That" is an"

•  Done added "musically,"

• "song with elements of" → "song, with elements of"

•  Done + comma

• Add a mention of the sample here, as it is key comp info and is fine to be repeated when you are not using the writers as previous

• Not sure. Do I need to mention Jane Birkin? --MrHyacinth (talk) 19:39, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• MrHyacinth This is the comp section so the sample is obviously most notable here, plus repeating things in articles is acceptable if only certain parts are wrote again, i.e do not reinstate the songwriter, though use Birkin's surname here instead. --K. Peake 21:09, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• [12] is not needed at the middle of the sentence when it is already at the end

•  Done removed

• [11][13][12] should be put in numerical order

•  Done in numerical order now

• "different activities such as" → "different activities, such as"

•  Done comma added

• "noted the group sounded" → "noted the group sound"

•  Done this correction sounds better

• "and empowered,"[16] and" → "and empowered",[16] and" per MOS:QUOTE

•  Done

• "described as "resourceful."" → "described as "resourceful"."

•  Done

• Italicise Idolator

•  Done italicized

• "three verses from Missy Elliott, who joins the group" → "three verses from Elliott, who joins the Pussycat Dolls"

•  Done italicized

• "boy-baiting session,"[20][11]" → "boy-baiting session",[11][20]"

•  Done

• "with the lyric," → "with the line,"

•  Done

Critical reception

• Merge with the below section and retitle to Reception, as the following one is only a para long

•  Done

• "called it a" → "called "Whatcha Think About That" a"

•  Done

• Fix MOS:QUOTE issues throughout this section

•  Done

• "considered the song an exception in an album that" → "considered the former an exception to how Doll Domination"

•  Done

• "the group has recorded and described it" → "the Pussycat Dolls has recorded and described the track"

•  Done

• "to Elliott adding" → "to Elliott, adding that"

•  Done + comma

• "who is sleepwalking adding" → "who is sleepwalking, adding"

•  Done + comma

• "Maura Johnston of Idolator criticized Scherzinger for "whining and preening" and" → "Johnston criticized Scherzinger for "whining and preening", and"

•  Done

Chart performance

• This should be merged as the third para of the above section

•  Done

• "the track the track peaked at" → "the track peaked at"

•  Done

• "In the United Kingdom," → "In the UK,"

•  Done

• Identify the above chart

•  Done

• "their previous single, "I Hate This Part"" → "their previous single "I Hate This Part""

•  Done

• "of the top-forty." → "of the top-40." per MOS:NUM

•  Done

• "her first top-ten entry" → "her first top-10 entry"

•  Done

• "of 200,000 units." → "of 200,000 units in the UK."

•  Done

• "as their ninth" → "as the Pussycat Dolls' ninth"

•  Done

• "on the singles chart." → "on the UK Singles Chart."

•  Done

Music video

• Merge with the below section and retitle to Music video and promotion, per earlier
• Img looks good, but wikilink music video on the text

•  Done Also underlined that in this scene they are wearing the specific clothing/

• "two days ending in" → "two days, ending on"

•  Done

• "like Wyatt began to" → "like Wyatt, began to"

•  Done + comma

• Pipe AOL Music to AOL

•  Done piped

• "the group released a" → "the Pussycat Dolls released a"

•  Done

• Remove wikilink on Rap-Up and italicise, plus remove the punctuation from inside the sentence's quote

• Not sure. Which punctuation? I am confused --MrHyacinth (talk) 19:19, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

• MrHyacinth It has since been altered, but you need to remove the f after the end of the quote. --K. Peake 20:59, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

• Remove wikilink on Rap-Up and italicise, plus introduce Melody Thornton as a group member

•  Done Introduced.

• "said, that the choreography will be" → "described the choreography as"

•  Done

• Shouldn't you mention Fosse by full name?
• "Throughout the video the group is wearing" → "Throughout the video, the Pussycat Dolls wear"

•  Done

• "her verse and is intercut" → "her verse, which is intercut"

•  Done

• None of the para after the colon is sourced apart from the quote in the following sentence; this needs sourcing due to not adhering to MOS:TVPLOT

• Not sure. Can I use the music video as a reference?--MrHyacinth (talk) 19:19, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

• Read the MOS guideline to get a proper understanding. --K. Peake 20:59, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

• "Then the video" → "Then, the video"

•  Done Comma added.

• ""dominatrix-style swings."" → ""dominatrix-style [...] swing[s]"."

•  Done

• "lounge and prepare themselves" → "lounge, and prepare themselves"

•  Done

• "to go on perform onstage." → "to go perform onstage."

•  Done

• "with the Dolls next" → "with the Pussycat Dolls next"

•  Done

• "outfits performing a" → "outfits, performing a"

•  Done

• Wikilink salutes like this instead per WP:NOPIPE

•  Done

• "surrounded by the group" → "as she is surrounded by them"

•  Done

• "of Dolls silhouette while their dancing." → "of a Dolls' silhouette while they are dancing." unless it is the silhouette of multiple Dolls or the group themselves, then reword accordingly (use full group name for the latter)

•  Done

Live performances

• Make this the third para of the above sentence

•  Done

• "on October 28, 2008 on" → "on October 28, 2008 for"

•  Done

• Remove wikilink on Rap-Up and italicise

•  Done

• "sounded a mess."" → "sounded a mess"." per MOS:QUOTE

•  Done

• "during their headlining," → "during their headlining"

•  Done removed comma

Track listing and versions

• Shouldn't the Digital download releases have US before them like you've done with UK for the other ones?

•  Comment: Fair point, but I think an editor added the "UK" in reference to the mobile carriers. --MrHyacinth (talk) 19:26, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

• Wikilink Missy Elliott on first mention

•  Done Linked.

Credits and personnel

• Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between credits and personnel

•  Done

• Add a specific order here; recording and mixing credits being grouped separately, songwriters being after other credits, etc. shows this is out of order

•  Comment: It's in alphabetical order based on their last names. --MrHyacinth (talk) 19:35, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Charts

Weekly charts

• Good

Year-end charts

• (Official Charts Company) → (OCC)

•  Done

Certifications

• See MOS:TABLECAPTION

•  Done Caption added.

Release history

• See MOS:TABLECAPTION

•  Done Caption added.

• Worldwide → Various, as I doubt the song was released in every country on Earth

•  Done Changed.

• CD Single → CD single

•  Done Changed.

References

• Copyvio score looks great at 18.7%!!

•  Comment: Thanks!!!--MrHyacinth (talk) 21:05, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

• Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
• Cite Rap-Up as work/website instead for refs 4, 6, 33, 35, 36 and 37

•  Done

• WP:OVERLINK of Interscope Records on ref 5, plus fix MOS:QWQ and MOS:CAPS issues

•  Done

• WP:OVERLINK of Interscope Records on ref 7

•  Done

• iTunes → iTunes Store on refs 8 and 40, only wikilinking on the former still

•  Done

• Pipe Amazon.co.uk to Amazon (company) on ref 9

•  Done

• Remove the author from ref 13, plus cite Today.com instead and do so as work/website, piping to Today (American TV program)

•  Done

• TODAY.com → Today.com on ref 14, citing as work/website

•  Done Corrected to the The Washington Post.

• Author-link Jon Pareles on ref 15

•  Done Linked.

• Remove or replace ref 18 per WP:SELFPUB and discussion

•  Done Removed.

• Author-link Maura Johnston on ref 19 and cite Idolator as website instead

•  Done Linked.

• Cite the original URL as well as archive for ref 27

•  Comment: Its taken from the Template:Single chart

• WP:OVERLINK of The New York Times on ref 38

•  Done

• Remove wikilink on Amazon.co.uk for ref 41

•  Done

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed! --K. Peake 10:06, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake I think I resolved the above issues. Waiting for your feedback!

• MrHyacinth I did some brief copy editing in areas where issues had inadvertently been edited in, but you still need to change to the Pussycat Dolls in the infobox. Also, make sure to sign posts off in the future, like this... --K. Peake 07:32, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake Sorry, forgot to sign off. I did the info box changes, but personally for me it does look awkward. --MrHyacinth (talk) 16:44, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

• MrHyacinth ✓ Pass now; I get the feeling you were alluding to at points myself, but MOS has got to be followed to a certain degree (obviously not pulling out all the guidelines per Wikipedia:What the Good article criteria are not). --K. Peake 16:53, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake Oh no! I was referring to the "the Pussycat Dolls singles chronology" in the infobox. I'm not used to it. Thank you so much for your thorough review, it was my first nomination, so I was a bit nervous! --MrHyacinth (talk) 17:53, 25 March 2021 (UTC)