Talk:Wes Craven/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Copyvio

The latest addition to this article seems to be a copyvio: http://www.geocities.com/lasthouseuk/craven.html

I have marked and submitted it accordingly via this information. TheMonkofDestiny 03:44, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Article reverted to pre-copyvio version, per instructions on WP:CP

Studies

according to the Movie Encyclopedia, Craven studied philosophy and literature at Wheaton College and Johns Hopkins, was a professor of literature when he got into the horror movie biz. Are we sure it was psychology and writing, as our article says? jackbrown 19:02, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Pointless info that applies to most people

"Wes Craven was born with two nostrils, and they are still functioning well, as of last report." Is this really needed in the article? I mean, I can't stop laughing, but somehow, it doesn't seem needed.

Redirect

Any reason "Bonnie Chapin" links to "Tom Chapin"? thx1138 06:19, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't now. It was probably because she is now married to him, and she does not have an article as she is not notable. Wiki editor 6 (talk) 14:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Early career

In the documentary "Inside Deep Throat"[1], Wes Craven talks about how he (and most of his peers) started their film careers doing porn. I'm not sure how to put this in such a sparse article though, without giving it undue weight. AKAF (talk) 11:29, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Wes Craven is in the Internet Adult Film Database (IAFD). He is credited in work on pornographic films such as "Angela the Fireworks Woman" (1975), "It Happened in Hollywood" (1972), "Sweet Cakes" (1976) http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=WesCraven/gender=m/Wes-Craven.htm 108.66.129.231 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:30, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Merger proposal

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The result of the discussion was merge per WP:NFF • S • C • A • R • C • E • 05:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

25/8 → Wes Craven
Proposal. The only contents on this page that is sourced is the plot, and a statement about this being the first film to be written and directed by Wes Craven, I can point out about five things that desire references, to many sections for an article of this size, to small to be a stub • S • C • A • R • C • E • 23:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

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Oppose - Lack of sourcing is not the same problem as notability. It's a new film by a fairly well-known director, it's already completed filming, so I'd say it passes the notability test. All Hallow's (talk) 00:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

When did I say notability was a problem? I think this is fairly notable, there's no sources and the article is way to small, could easily be converted into a section on Wes Craven • S • C • A • R • C • E • 00:08, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Support - support merge per WP:NFF. Sorry Wraith, but per WP:NFF, the future films guideline, all films to be released in the future are required to have notable productions per the WP:GNG. That means there needs to be significant coverage from reliable sources. Otherwise, we have to wait till the film is released. Notability is not inherited. Just because Craven is notable doesn't automatically make the film notable. Also, for a film that's completed filming why don't we have a more specific release date? Most films have that info before they ever complete filming. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:32, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- Note: A quick note. I did a Google News search, and there hasn't been a lot of coveragesince March. I did find one thing in June, but it was just him saying he had to film additional scenes in July. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 11:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Support since there needs to be more independent coverage of the film to demonstrate its notability. Should be fairly imminent to find some, though, since the director's name will surely warrant detailed previews. Perhaps at least clean up the article so it can be restored with ease when the time comes? —Erik (talk • contrib) 04:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Support - where the film has it sources they all connect to Wes Craven. Martarius (talk) 09:03, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Support. WP:NFF seems pretty clear, and I can think of no reason why this case is special enough to go against that guideline. Also, merging might make it slightly easier to prevent the "I heard it on a blog" or unsourced infobox and cast list edits that keep popping up in the article. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:03, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

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25/8

Title

Does the film's title mean 25 August? American date format would be 8/25. Wiki editor 6 (talk) 14:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

'Alleged dead'?

What does 'alleged dead serial killer' mean? That he is wrongly believed to be dead? That he is a reanimated / resurrected corpse? Wiki editor 6 (talk) 14:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Well to answer both of your questions, 25/8 comes from a quote in the film "if you fight the devil 24/7, it’s not enough, you have to fight 25/8". Alleged meaning the fact of his death is threatened, meaning the legend carries the idea of him being at large still. And next time, when leaving messages, remember only to use one section per topic, not three. $©@®©Ξ 09:51, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The creation of the 25/8 article

I've started a draft page for the article at User:Scarce/25-8. Feel free to contribute :o) $©@®©Ξ 09:04, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Child's Play 2 director consideration rumor

There is a rumor amongst fans that Craven was consider to direct Child's Play 2 (the second installment in the Child's Play films). It is also rumored that this film was written specifically for or partially uncredited by Craven to direct as his films would introduce veteran actors (either renowned or little-known) (such as Brad Dourif, Gerrit Graham, Jenny Agutter, Peter Haskell) and fresh faces (like Christine Elise, Greg Germann, Beth Grant and Adam Wylie) and involved troubled children as the protagonists up against an evil serial killer antagonist and usually first up to the middle of films the setting take place in a normal family-environment neighborhood before the ultimate climax would take in an industrial or dark area outside of that setting and finally while the film's exterior takes at mostly brightly colored places, the film's entire interior feel is actually intensely dark and gothic (the supernatural, negatively-portrayed characters (both supporting and minor), scenes of characters' corrupt nature and weaknesses (such as language, smoking, negative attitudes and alcoholism), occasional nightime rain and lightening scenes which introduces the villain, the frightening gore and violence, dark music score and an alternate twisted ending where it hints the villain will return (which was only aired in the television version). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffreymoviechen (talk • contribs) 23:00, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Influences?

Are there any sources for his list of influences? I'm specifically thinking Tim Burton here, can't recall ever reading that Burton was influenced by Craven. Ash Loomis (talk) 05:38, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Highest gross

The "highest gross" section at the end of the article is not clear about precisely what it means, and the source (if any) is unclear. I tried to find a source and add a descriptive sentence, but although it seems to be the unadjusted worldwide gross, the source doesn't fit the information listed. It may need an update, or the list might represent something else.

The sentence I was going to add to the section was:

Wes Cravens Highest grossing films as a Director based on total worldwide box office gross, not adjusted for inflation.

and I was going to use Wes Craven - Box Office Mojo as a source, specifically the last table of data. (TheNumbers.com Wes Craven does not look likely as the source.)

Once the section is fixed to clarify what exactly it is and has a reference it might be further improved by formatting the information as a table. I do not like tables (a table for the 2 books written by Craven seems unnecessary, proper book citations would be preferable) but for data like this it would be appropriate to create a table and make the information sortable, maybe even include both adjusted and unadjusted figures in the table. -- 109.77.50.221 (talk) 04:00, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Books?

How would I add ISBNs to the two books he wrote? I can find them easily enough outside of WP. Challenger l (talk) 01:58, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:ISBN. — Wylie pedia 03:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Get rid of what?

Early life section includes quote "Get rid of the - - - !" Was there a curse deleted from the source? As Wikipedia is not censored it looks silly to have those dashes. Ribbet32 (talk) 02:08, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

That was verbatim from the source. Not sure how else to phrase it. Since Craven says it as a way of encapsulating his editing philosophy, it seems worth keeping. Maybe add "sic" to the end of the sentence? --Tenebrae (talk) 03:06, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

"Fannish essaying"

@Tenebrae: I hold no special brief for FantasticBeast's additions that you recently reverted, but I don't see what's wrong with the information in them, except that the third one doesn't belong under § Film style. Would you mind explaining? --Thnidu (talk) 01:57, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the opportunity to discuss. For starters, "Craven has directed one Academy Award nominated performance: Meryl Streep in Music of the Heart (1999)". Are we really going to add a sentence of credit to every director's article for every actor, actress, supporting actor and supporting actress who gets even a nomination? Not only is that unwieldy but it applies a causality that may or may not be appropriate -- Meryl Streep probably would have gotten an Oscar nomination no matter who directed the film.

Then there's "Wes Craven frequently collaborated with producer Marianne Maddalena, composer Marco Beltrami and editor Patrick Lussier as well as actors such like Robert Englund, Heather Langenkamp, Neve Campbell, David Arquette, Courteney Cox and Angela Bassett." That's just a laundry list of some fan's uncited WP:SYNTH.

As well, the lead already says, "Craven also directed all four films in the Scream series, so it's both redundant and unnecessarily wordy to have an entire other paragraph says, "In 1996 Craven found major success, directing the horror/thriller film Scream and it's sequels Scream 2 (1997), Scream 3 (2000) and Scream 4 (2011)." Not to mention the WP:PEACOCK of "found major success" and, finally, a small thing that makes me crazy, the misuse of "it's". --Tenebrae (talk) 04:04, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

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This isn't a sentence

The following isn't a full sentence, and I don't understand what the writer was trying to convey.

When his friend Steve Chapin informed him of a messenger position at a New York City film production co, where his brother, future folk-rock star Harry Chapin worked.

MuggleOne (talk) 21:52, 14 October 2021 (UTC)