Talk:Walter Wu

Walter Wu was one of the Sports and recreation good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
October 30, 2014	Good article nominee	Listed
October 31, 2014	Good article reassessment	Delisted

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that Walter Wu, a blind Canadian swimmer and three-time gold medalist at the Paralympics, was a torchbearer for the 2010 Winter Paralympics after his retirement in 2004?

Current status: Delisted good article

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Walter Wu/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: NickGibson3900 (talk · contribs) 06:00, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Will do soon -NickGibson3900 ^Talk 06:00, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@TheQ Editor: See below. Also please respond at the Brian Hill review as comments have been their for a couple of days now — NickGibson3900 ^Talk 02:41, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@NickGibson3900: Thanks for reviewing this, but just to let you know that you forgot to put this "=onhold". The ping would work with me too. Just remember that echo (ping) would only trigger if you sign your post. In this case, you signed it, but put wrong username. Then you fixed it, that doesn't work. Give me minute to fix these. (same thing with Brian Hill) Thanks!

Comments[edit]

"176 centimetres (5.77 ft)" - ^{[citation needed]}
- Done
"86 kilograms (190 lb)" - ^{[citation needed]}
- Done
Link Athens Paralympic Games to 2004 Paralympic Games in lead
- Done
"and BC Disabled Athlete of the Year." - Link BC to British Columbia
- I can't. "BC Disabled Athlete of the Year" is the name of the award, so either I can link it like BC Disabled Athlete of the Year or do nothing.
He has spent time as a public speaker since retirement from active sports competition. - ^{[not verified in body]}
- Done Is that better now?
FN2 needs author, day published and publisher (Maclean's)
- Done
FN5 is dead
- Done

Round two[edit]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Numbers less than ten should be written out (e.g. four not 4)
Iink Canadian to Canada in lead
link backstroke at first mention
link freestyle at first mention
same with butterfly
link individual medley to Medley swimming

Done@NickGibson3900: The "100 metre freestyle" are supposed to link to Swimming at the 1996 Paralympics - Men's 100 metre freestyle. That page doesn't exsist yet so I linked them all to Swimming at the 1996 Paralympics. Is that okay? ΤheQ Editor ^Talk? 20:26, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@TheQ Editor: What I mean is say something like: "Wu competed in the 100 metre freestyle" (i.e link the stroke) - NickGibson3900 ^Talk 21:56, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done @NickGibson3900: How is it now? ΤheQ Editor ^Talk? 22:02, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@TheQ Editor:, I don't mean the info box they were fine (revert those changes), I mean in the prose. Once that is fixed I'll pass it. - NickGibson3900 ^Talk 22:09, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

{[ping|NickGibson3900}} Thanks for your patience with me. I linked them the first time seen in the article. Is it okay now? Thanks, ΤheQ Editor ^Talk? 22:20, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to be a pain TheQ Editor, but you still need to change numbers 1-9 to words. The number 3 is still in the article. - NickGibson3900 ^Talk 22:53, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@NickGibson3900: replaced both instances of 3 with three. ΤheQ Editor ^Talk? 23:51, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good article status removed[edit]

This article was promoted to GA yesterday. I have undone this promotion, as it doesn't meet the GA standards at all. It has blatant errors (the infobox lists a gold medal he never won, and couldn't have won as it is not an Olympic distance), bad writing, making conclusions from anecdotes ("Since retiring from competition in 2004,[3] Wu began to give speeches at local schools and events." is sourced to one speech he gave at a local school in 2013: no evidence that this is a reglar occurrence, and no evidence either that this is something he only started doing after retiring; they are two completely unrelated facts as far as the current sourcing is concerned, lumped together without good reason). So, he has given one speech, and carried the Olympic Torch for a few hundred meters: he surely has done something else during the past ten years, I hope?

It has no attention whatsoever for his personal life (see e.g. [1]), nor for anything he did in his sporting career apart from the Paralympics. the man held at least 5 world records (and still holds at least 2) in his category, which you can learn elsewhere on an outdated page on Wikipedia, but not in his own article. He won multiple medals at the World Championships. This article clearly fails criteria 1 and 3 of the 6 GA criteria, and should never have been promoted (or nominated). Fram (talk) 09:23, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @Fram: for the feedback and source. It could really help this article a lot. The last part was a little harsh. Never nominating it again? I will try to edit it so that it meets the standards, have someone peer review it, copy edit it and then nominate it for GAC again. As far as I'm concerned, there's no policy about protecting a page from being nominated for GAC. Thanks, ΤheQ Editor ^Talk? 11:50, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"It should never have been nominated" is obviously not the same as "it should never be nominated". Fram (talk) 12:07, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Fram: My bad. ΤheQ Editor ^Talk? 21:27, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]