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Professor Das

Whoever keeps putting Biswajit Das in the alumna section needs to quit it.Ender86 02:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Biswajit Das is not an alumnus, he's a professor. He is not world famous or even notable just yet. Also, you spelled his name incorrectly. Ender86 02:09, 22 March 2007 (UTC)ender86

Logo fix

UNLV Logo should be depixilated.

Over-scaling on the logo has been fixed. The current logo really should be replaced by a bigger, more up-to-date version, though.

Parallelism problem in "Faculty" section now corrected. More information on the second professor is requested, though.

There are higher resolution logos at http://web.unlv.edu/imagesLogos.html but I'm not sure if they are permitted to be used here or not.

what

do they offer?


anything in fashion?


Yeah, good luck finding that out.

This is wikipedia, where the world is recorded as you might want it, not how it actually is.

IOW, if you need some info about LEED or some other bullshit that will be just another dead fad in a few, you've come to right place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.48.105.198 (talk) 23:36, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Hoppe conspicuously non-notable

Hoppe is not a notable academic. He is on par with many others at UNLV. Hoppe is not sourced anywhere as having influence on economics. If you do a google search, one finds resources such as his personal website, his webpage within the economics dept at UNLV, and lists of his publications. Most other professors have the same kinds of internet listings.

In fact, Hoppe is not even a "distinguished professor," he is a "full professor." Bremskraft July 17, 2007

Believe it or not, there are plenty of notable assistant professors in this world. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 05:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
or Not Bremskraft July 17, 2007

Hoppe unquestionably notable

Hans-Hermann Hoppe is easily notable, even if only for the 2005 nationwide controversy (see his wiki page). He has published or edited 9 books, and is considered by many in the Austrian School to be the fifth dean of that school, after Carl Menger, Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk, Ludwig von Mises, and the late Murray Rothbard. Given that the same editor removing him here also tried to have the wiki article on Hoppe removed, there may be some POV editing afoot, methinks. --RayBirks 22:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Many academics at UNLV have published multiple books. To elevate Hoppe above the others makes little sense. And, you'll have to forgive me, but being considered the "5th dean of the Austrian school" means little if it is not sourced. Bremskraft July 17, 2007
It has to do with how many people have noted the subject. I'm not sure why you'd delete Hoppe while leaving others who are even less notable. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 02:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Who is less notable?Bremskraft July 17, 2007
Dave Loeb (Jazz studies professor)
Richard L. Baldwin - Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, ShuffleMaster, Inc.
Marcus Glasgow - Cinematographer/Director of Photography television and film
For example. The usual rule of thumb for inclusion in these lists is the existence of a biography. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 05:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Dave Loeb has apparently been the musician for many soundtracks (including the Disney soundtracks to The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin, Titanic, Geppetto, Family Guy, American Dad, L.A. Law, Hill Street Blues, Quantum Leap, Harlem Nights,The A-team) and has recordings with Curtis Mayfield and Fran Jefferies - but I have no objection to deleting him.
Richard Baldwin: I have no objection to deleting him - I was mostly looking at faculty not alumni.
Marcus Glasgow has been the cinematographer for several television programs ("Mission Impossible" (TV Series), "Hart To Hart", "Dynasty") - but I have no objection to deleting him.
Bremskraft July 17, 2007
Please leave Hoppe's name up until the resolution of the AfD. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 05:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Again, I'm new here, but wouldn't it make more sense to leave his name off until the AfD is resolved? Bremskraft July 17, 2007
Wait, I think I have a solution: [1] --Bremskraft 05:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
That's just being tendentious. Don't forget to finish filling in the AfD and post it on the main AfD page. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 06:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Tendentious? You yourself said that the strongest source on his wiki page was a link to his "controversy." All the other links lead to his personal website or wiki pages to his books.--Bremskraft 16:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Since you keep protesting that you're "new here", please take the advice of someone who is not new here. Neutrality requires that we treat people with a certain equality. Even if the guy were notable for being an axe murderer we'd still simply list him under "notable faculty". ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I completely agree that neutrality is important and I do not believe I have been un-neutral. My interests and concern lay with facts and merits - should they not also be taken into consideration? If we are to take your standards for who is a notable academic, one would have at least 200 more faculty under the "notable faculty" list.--Bremskraft 21:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
The standard I follow for inclusion in lists of notable faculty, alumni, residents, etc, is the existence of a Wikipedia article. If there are other UNLV faculty or alumni who have biographies on WP then we should certainly add their names. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Colleges/Departments etc

Look at Caltech and Iowa State University. Their articles each simply list colleges, and not 80 some odd departments. Moreover, I think it looks terrible to add two or three select departments arbitrarily without listing them all. It's inconsistent. Tparameter (talk) 01:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Hoppe Again

IronAngelAlice, Sorry to come late - but, I don't see you having had participated in a discussion on this topic. Anyway, I went to Hoppe's page, and the controversy is spelled out there clearly. This article doesn't seem like the right place for it. Besides, I don't think you characterized the controvery accurately. For instance, your source doesn't say anything about "Americans", yet you did. Also, the source left out some details, where the professor was talking about old folks, children, and gays - yet your source only mentions the part about gays. It's neither here nor there, however. I just don't see why the UNLV page needs to get into it at all. Tparameter (talk) 23:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Notable faculty

Should all faculty with wikipedia articles be included here? Tparameter (talk) 00:02, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, yes. Short-term visiting faculty may be an exception, but otherwise every professor with an article should be included. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 01:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. Thanks for the opinion. Hopefully no one minds - but, I'll work on it. I'll add the faculty in the category, at least. Uh, but I think I'll leave off the justification for now. In fact, is justification even a good idea? Maybe, if articles are the prereq, we should just have a list of names. Tparameter (talk) 02:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I just noticed that all notable faculty are not living. Is this standard? Also, all notable faculty are not current faculty. Is this standard? For now I have not included more of these types. Tparameter (talk) 03:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it's wise to describe their chief notability. It's too easy to get it wrong. It's sufficient to give their linked name and their department or field. Folks who want to learn more acan follow the links. It's OK to add a small number of notable entries that don't yet have an article, if you really think they deserve an article and meet WP:BIO. In those cases a link to a source that establishes their notability should be included, and perhaps a very short summary of claim to notability (e.g. "leading authority on Bret Harte"). That's already done in the alumni list. For these notability lists it's typical to include both living and dead without separating them. Folks who were notable in life remain notable in death, aside from the changing winds of fame. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 09:23, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
That sounds like good advice - especially given the controversies over notability of various people. I'll work on it, and I guess we'll see if there is dissent. Thanks. Tparameter (talk) 14:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

This is already discussed above ad naseum. (See above.) It is important to note that the reason Hoppe has a page on wikipedia is because his students included him. There are about several hundred more notable people at UNLV than Hoppe (who also have better academic qualifications). The only citations for Hoppe's page that are not blogs or his own websites (the Mises instititute and his personal websites), are from the Las Vegas Review Journal and the Las Vegas Sun. These citations talk about what some call the "academic freedom" incident, and what others call his "homophobia." Please take a look at the References on his page. --IronAngelAlice (talk) 15:40, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

You say it's been discussed "ad naseum", but I don't see why you should be nauseated, since you didn't participate in the discussions as far as I can tell. I'm new to this page, and all I see discussed to death is Hoppe's notability - which I don't think is disputable. (By the way, you seem to still dispute it, even though apparently you're feeling some nausea.) Either way, this topic is not about Hoppe - and if you read the first entry you will see that. So, respond to this topic, or please start a new thread. Tparameter (talk) 18:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Tp, your argument isn't making sense. Try not to attack me. Let's talk about the merits of the compromise: which is to list the reason for the controversy. The "academic freedom" and "homophobia" controversies are the reasons for Hoppe's "noteworthiness." This was established on his article page. For this reason, we can list this on the UNLV page.--IronAngelAlice (talk) 18:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm attacking you? How so? Anyway, here is my question: When and where did you discuss these issues previously, so I might read the discussion?

Previously, you noted that it was "(above)", but I don't see you having had taken part in the discussion - so I guess I'm wondering why you said it was discussed "ad nauseam", which seems like an overly-dramatic characterization given that my question was simply, "should all faculty with wikipedia articles be included here?" Tparameter (talk) 22:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Frankly, I don't have to be part of any discussion to cite a discussion. Please discuss the merits of my argument for the wording I propose. --IronAngelAlice (talk) 17:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

The current wording is fine. If you're happy, I'm happy. If you want something different, let's talk about it. Also, sorry about the other bit - it's just that I hear people say "ad nauseam" a lot these days, and I'm always driven to inquire about the associated nausea. Don't take it too seriously. Tparameter (talk) 22:02, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I think it helpful to explain to the reader what the controversy entailed. That's all.--IronAngelAlice (talk) 17:39, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

This article is about UNLV, not about Hoppe. If readers want further info, they can go directly to his article. Besides, your summary is inaccurate. Tparameter (talk) 18:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
In what way is it inaccurate?--IronAngelAlice (talk) 01:48, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Hoppe's page spells out the controversy. Anyway, I tried to discuss it with you previously, so I might as well try one more time. Here, I'll cut and paste my previous attempt from above: For instance, your source doesn't say anything about "Americans", yet you did. Also, the source left out some details, where the professor was talking about old folks, children, and gays - yet the source only mentions the part about gays. It's neither here nor there, however. I just don't see why the UNLV page needs to get into it at all. Tparameter (talk) 02:10, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I took out the part about "Americans." Also, the controversy did not concern children and old people. The controversy was specifically about gays and lesbians. If you follow the references, a grievance was filed by a gay student for what he believed to be unprofessional conduct by Professor Hoppe. I agree that the UNLV page doesn't need to "get into it all," however, a little context doesn't hurt.--IronAngelAlice (talk) 03:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The professor said that certain demographic groups should tend to essentially save less since they tend to not have children - these groups include old people, children, and gays. I think your summary will make people think that gays were targeted, when in fact it was one student who was offended because he was part of one of the groups mentioned. Apparently there weren't any old folks or children, or at least those who were offended, at the lecture. Do you see the distinction? Tparameter (talk) 15:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
You have a point. I will make the change that reflects that.--IronAngelAlice (talk) 01:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Alumni Description

Is it necessary to have the alumni description at the end of the page? It's redundant to have the description when the alumni have their own page (IMO). Also, it's poorly written and reads like an advertisement. I'll leave it up, but if someone agrees with me then please remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.85.2.68 (talk) 07:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Endowment

The current endowment figure is overstated because it shows total investments, including non-endowment investments used for operations. The source (page 3) shows two figures for the endowment: $54,285,000 for the university and $73,930,000 for a university related organization (Foundation?). Even combined they are not close to the $567 million. Unfortunately, I could not find UNLV in the NACUBO Endowment Study to get the right amount. Does anyone have a number for UNLV's endowment? Thanks, Alanraywiki (talk) 15:53, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Here is new information...On May 26, 2009 UNLV recived about $2.1 MILLION for Nuclear Technoology and engineering reserach. Here is the Link: UNLV RECEIVES $2.1 MILLION FOR NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGIES RESEARCH —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.232.138.179 (talk) 02:03, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Grants like this do not generally go into an endowment. This particular one is a multi-year grant, one that will be spent in a few years unlike an endowment which is held in perpetuity. Therefore, it will have no impact on the endowment figure. Alanraywiki (talk) 02:14, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

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GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

a (prose):
  • There are quite a few one-sentence paragraphs throughout the article, particularly in the Sustainability and Academics sections. In the Athletics section, the second sentence "Commonly referred to as the Rebels, or Lady Rebels (men's basketball is referred to as the Runnin' Rebels and men's baseball is referred to as the Hustlin' Rebels)." is not a complete sentence. There are other issues as well including flow and clarity. For example, in Athletics, the sentence about the men's soccer team competing in a different league is out of place. It needs to be mentioned with the conference affiliation of the school. Most sections could use expansion, especially Academics and History. The use of direct quotes, such as in the Sustainability section is questionable. Is there a better way to word how the school was criticized by the Nevada Policy Research Institute that would be more encyclopedic?
b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  • The lead is only one paragraph and does not summarize the article as a whole, plus it contains information not present in the rest of the article, like the Carnegie Classification. For word choice, there are a few POV terms, such as "new" or "recent" ("In recent years...") which are already dated. The entire "New initiatives" section is dated from 2005 and 2006 and is unsourced.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

a (references):
  • As noted above, the "New initiatives" section is completely unsourced, some of the notable alumni still have citation needed tags.
b (citations to reliable sources):
  • There are three references to Wikipedia articles in the Athletics section. Wikipedia cannot cite itself. The references section has a cleanup tag from over a year ago that needs to be addressed. A large number of the references are bare links.
c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

a (major aspects):
  • Most sections could use expansion as previously noted. History ends in the 1960s and then suddenly picks up again in 2005. What about the 1970s-2000s? Academics is the same; what are some of the notable programs? As an outsider who knows virtually nothing about UNLV, this doesn't tell me much more than I already knew.
b (focused):
  • There is hardly any information on the specific programs or colleges.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):
b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  • The Campus section has two images on either side of the text. One of the images needs to be removed until more text is present.

7. Overall: Article has multiple issues and very little was addressed in the 11 days the article was on hold. While many of the technical aspects can be taken care of, much of it needs rewritten and expanded, which will take some time.

Pass/Fail:

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Hello! I will be reviewing this article for potential GA status. My review should be posted shortly. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 01:06, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I feel this article is not at GA status at this time. Please feel free to renominate once the below concerns have been addressed. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 02:18, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Writing and formatting

  • Per WP:LEAD, the lead should be at least two paragraphs long and should adequately summarize the article
  • Article needs a general copy-editing for grammar, flow and clarity

Accuracy and verifiability

  • Problematic links are shown here
  • External links should not appear in article text
  • Citations should be consistently formatted. Bare URLs are not sufficient for citations
  • Web citation should at minimum have a URL, title, publisher and access date
  • Wikipedia is not a reliable source
  • Try to find more third-party citations, ie. from sources other than UNLV
  • Address tags

Broad

  • Any information about the governance/administration?
  • Research?
  • Any relevant student life beyond athletics?

Images

  • Galleries of images are generally discouraged
  • Captions should meet the same standard of prose, verifiability and neutrality as article text
  • UNLVSeal.png is missing copyright information

History/Buildings

In trying to clean up the references I found a lot of information that had been copied from a "timeline" page on UNLV's site and I removed it, leaving brief summaries. What remains is information about buildings. Would it make sense to have a section about buildings, and expand the history in a different direction?Nevadaresident (talk) 23:37, 3 July 2011 (UTC)Nevadaresident

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What about the Engineering College

I was reading up on Howard R. Hughes Jr. and trying to find a connection between him and unlv and found none. Plus UNLV has been going through many changes, and this page has not been updated to them.

I would like to recommend some create a page for the engineering college. As they are very quite active on campus and have a some what interesting history. And I would love to research more about it, for instance. The main building is call the Thomas T. Beam Engineering Complex. Why? Who was Thomas Beam? Why was the college named after Howard R. Hughes? What about the history of it breaking away from the UNLV school of science?

And not just the engineering college but other colleges of changing as well. The hotel college is getting a new building, raised from donors, there's the school of medicine.

Please update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.216.163.87 (talk) 18:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

For the information about the Thomas T. Beam Engineering Complex (TBE) it may prove difficult to find information about why the complex was named after him. UNLV's website doesn't appear to have this information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.96.207.123 (talk) 10:54, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

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Location

Las Vegas is a tricky area in relation to "location" since many things often associated with the city of Las Vegas aren't actually IN the city. Paradise, Nevada is unincorporated, but does have "boundaries" as a Census-designated place. The Las Vegas Strip, McCarran International Airport, and UNLV are all in the boundaries of Paradise, at least as defined by the US Census Bureau. It's another case of something having a mailing address in a city it isn't physically located in. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:09, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed changes regarding UNLV's land grant status

We propose to add the information that UNLV is a land grant institution.

Proposed changes:

1) type = Public TO 

  type = Public
Land-Grant

2) The University of Nevada, Las Vegas (UNLV) is a public research university in Paradise, Nevada. TO 

  The University of Nevada, Las Vegas (UNLV) is a public land-grant research university in Paradise, Nevada.

Explanation: States decide on land-grant status and Nevada decided UNLV is one both in 1969 and 1993. The official opinion of the NV Attorney General is "The University of Nevada System, consisting of the University of Nevada, Reno, the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, and the Desert Research Institute, is the only land grant institution within the State of Nevada.

References: http://ag.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/agnvgov/Content/Publications/opinions/1969_AGO.pdf
https://law.justia.com/codes/nevada/2015/chapter-396/statute-396.010/

Ordeks (talk) 23:56, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ordeks: Who is "we?" Shared accounts are not allowed. ElKevbo (talk) 01:00, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
@ElKevbo: It is not shared, I am the only person who uses this account. However, I am not the only one who thinks UNLV should have its land-grant status listed on its Wikipedia page, that's why I wrote "we". I will pay attention to it in the future. Ordeks (talk) 05:37, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
@Ordeks: I see the next sentence in the NV Attorney General's opinion is "The components of the system may not hold individual land grant status separate and apart from the system." What's the proper way to state the System is the land grant institution, not just UNLV? GoingBatty (talk) 01:04, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
@GoingBatty: I will summarize the evolution of land-grant in Nevada the best I can:
Nevada’s revised statutes (NRS 396.020[1]) establish the state’s land-grant institution in the office of the chancellor of the Nevada System of Higher Education (NSHE). This means that the land-grant institution defined in Section 4 Article 11[2] of the Nevada Constitution includes all components of NSHE including the system office, the state’s two and four year colleges, the branches of the University of Nevada, and the Desert Research Institute. The original component of what is now NSHE was the University of Nevada. First established in Elko and then moved to Reno, the University of Nevada is the Nevada’s United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) National Institute of Food and Agriculture (NIFA) land-grant designee (the NIFA map continues to refer to the state’s designee as the University of Nevada[3]). The programs for land-grant institution such as agricultural experimental station and cooperative extension that are associated with the USDA designation are managed by what is now the University of Nevada, Reno. The "Reno" was added to the northern branch of the state university in 1969 when UNLV was given co-equal status.[4] UNLV began as the “Southern Regional Division of the University of Nevada” in 1954.[5] The Desert Research Institute, now with branches in Las Vegas and Reno, was established in 1959 also as a division of the University of Nevada. In 1969 it became an autonomous component of what is now NSHE but was not included in the land-grant. As community and state colleges were established they were subsumed into the same governing and administrative structure. In 1993, NRS was amended to extend that state’s land-grant to the community colleges, the Desert Research Institute, and administrative services.
University of Nevada, Reno's Wikipedia page lists it as a land-grant institution, so I proposed the edit using the same wording. I'd be happy to answer additional questions and provide references. Ordeks (talk) 05:37, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Nevada Revised Statutes 396.020: Legal and corporate name of University; name and composition of System". Retrieved April 28, 2020.
  2. ^ "Nevada Constitution Section 4 Article 11". Retrieved April 28, 2020.
  3. ^ "NIFA Land-Grant Colleges and Universities Map and List" (PDF). Retrieved April 28, 2020.
  4. ^ "UCCSN Board of Regents' Meeting Minutes January 10-11, 1969" (PDF). Retrieved April 28, 2020.
  5. ^ "UNLV history". Retrieved April 28, 2020.

There is an issue with the wording of the request. Any clarifications about this wording should be made in a new edit request placed at the bottom of the page. Regards,  Spintendo  17:16, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Spintendo: Could you please clarify what the specific wording issue with the request is, so that I can make the new request properly? Best Ordeks (talk) 04:42, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Land-grant Status

Information to be added:
I would like to request that UNLV's land-grant status is added to its page, both in the infobox and the lead section in accordance with Constitution of Nevada and Nevada Revised Statutes as explained and referenced below.

I would recommend editing the information as follows, since University of Nevada, Reno (UNR) and UNLV are co-equal branches of the state university and this wording would be consistent with how UNR's land-grant status is displayed on its Wikipedia page.

In infobox (Type):
Public
Land-Grant

In lead section (as the first two sentences):
The University of Nevada, Las Vegas (UNLV) is a public research university in Paradise, Nevada. Established on September 10, 1957, UNLV is a land-grant institution.

Explanation of issue:
Nevada Revised Statutes (NRS) 396.020[1]. establish the state’s land-grant institution in the office of the chancellor of the Nevada System of Higher Education (NSHE). This means that the land-grant institution defined in Section 4 Article 11[2] of the Nevada Constitution includes all components of NSHE including the system office, the state’s two and four year colleges, the branches of the University of Nevada, and the Desert Research Institute. The original component of what is now NSHE was the University of Nevada. First established in Elko and then moved to Reno, the University of Nevada is the Nevada’s United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) National Institute of Food and Agriculture (NIFA) land-grant designee (the NIFA map continues to refer to the state’s designee as the University of Nevada[3]). The programs for land-grant institution such as agricultural experimental station and cooperative extension that are associated with the USDA designation are managed by what is now the University of Nevada, Reno. The "Reno" was added to the northern branch of the state university in 1969 when UNLV was given co-equal status.[4] UNLV began as the “Southern Regional Division of the University of Nevada” in 1954.[5] The Desert Research Institute, now with branches in Las Vegas and Reno, was established in 1959 also as a division of the University of Nevada. In 1969 it became an autonomous component of what is now NSHE but was not included in the land-grant. As community and state colleges were established they were subsumed into the same governing and administrative structure. In 1993, NRS was amended to extend that state’s land-grant to the community colleges, the Desert Research Institute, and administrative services.[6]
Ordeks (talk) 04:24, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


Not done as per this source. The only sources you provided were WP:PRIMARY sources, and if this were to be included there is clearly a controversy on the matter and that controversy should at least be addressed. Zoozaz1 (talk) 23:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Zoozaz1. Thank you for your explanation. I would like to address the issue. Based on the history of UNLV's legal land-grant status, this article's characterization of the bill and the veto is inaccurate. 1993 Nevada Revised Statutes (NRS) already designates UNLV as a land-grant institution along with the University of Nevada, Reno (UNR), the Desert Research Institute (DRI), the community colleges, and the administrative services. The bill that the governor vetoed, AB407, aimed to reform the cooperative extension services in Nevada and limited the land-grant institutions to UNLV, UNR, and DRI only. In other words, the bill was not granting land-grant status to any institutions, but rather removing it from some that were granted the status with the 1993 NRS. Because it was vetoed, all institutions listed in the 1993 NRS still have their land-grant status. This article provides additional details on the topic and also refutes the “…(UNR) has been the only ‘land grant’ university in the state” statement that was in the Governor's veto, based on the Attorney General's official opinion from 1969 and the Nevada Legislative Counsel Bureau (LCB)'s opinion given to the lawmakers on March 27, 2017. The latter is a very long document, the opinion from Brenda Erdoes (Committee Counsel, Legal Division, LCB) is on page 45. Ordeks (talk) 23:26, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
This seems like a pretty complex issue, and I understand your logic and reasoning. However, even if your argument is the truth, Wikipedia only considers material from reliable sources, and has a policy against original research. I get your argument, and to me it makes sense, but because reliable sources disagree and Wikipedia is simply a compilation of the opinion of reliable sources, not to mention the article on UNR states it is the sole land grant institution(as of right before I post this and as I am about to change) and that the governor seems to disagree with you. I can't really add something saying it is unequivocally a land grant institution because Wikipedia doesn't operate on the idea that either of our opinions or our original research are the truth but on how reliable sources view the truth, of which there are differing opinions on this subject. Do you know if UNLV receives any land/money from its land-grant status or is it simply constitutionally/legally delegated but not in practice enforced (as the source I provided implies) . If it is the second, we could add something like "legally, UNLV is viewed as a land-grant institution as it is a part of the University of Nevada system, however in practice UNLV does not receive land-grant benefits." Zoozaz1 (talk) 01:36, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Zoozaz1, you are correct, it is a complex issue, because it has been politicized. It gets more convoluted by the fact that Governor Sandoval, who vetoed AB407 by also stating that “…(UNR) has been the only ‘land grant’ university in the state”, is a graduate of UNR and has recently applied for the UNR's President position.
Anyway, I found out that UNLV has five awards since 2010 that it received based on its land-grant status. They are categorized as "USDA Awards - Land Grant Eligible" and are totaling a little over $1.5M. Some of these projects are still active. Would this information be helpful in determining how to include the "land-grant status" information to UNLV's page? Thanks. Ordeks (talk) 21:13, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
Ordeks I was skimming through this and this to look into the matter a bit more. How about we say "UNLV is officially considered a land-grant university according to the attorney-general of Nevada, and has received limited land-grant funds as compared to the UNR. However, Governor Brian Sandoval, a UNR graduate and candidate for the President of UNR, opposes that interpretation and views UNR as the sole land grant institution in the state." I honestly agree with you after looking over the documents that UNLV is a land grant institution. However, we also have to include the opinion of sources that disagree with that interpretation as per WP:DUEWEIGHT. Also, I believe you with the USDA money given to UNLV but do you have a citable source that I could include in the article for that? And with regards to putting it in the infobox, I think we could if we had the appropriate footnote detailing the dispute. Zoozaz1 (talk) 21:37, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
Zoozaz1, thank you for being so diligent while looking into this issue. I think your suggested edits are very good. I didn't compile the USDA awards list myself; I reached out to UNLV's sponsored programs office inquiring about its land-grant awards and they sent me the list. I looked up each project on the USDA portal and here are the grant numbers: 2018-67013-27421, 2017-69007-26312, 2017-67022-26608, 2011-67013-30169, and 2010-65119-20603. The results of a search with each grant number on USDA's recent awards page display the award amount as well. Please let me know if you need any other information from me. Thank you. Ordeks (talk) 21:08, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Ordeks, I added the land-grant status and put a footnote for the controversy. Thanks for all the sources, I some into the footnote. Zoozaz1 (|talk) 03:55, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much Zoozaz1, I really appreciate you taking the time to go over the documents in detail and making the edits. Ordeks (talk) 08:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Nevada Revised Statutes 396.020: Legal and corporate name of University; name and composition of System". Retrieved April 28, 2020.
  2. ^ "Nevada Constitution Section 4 Article 11". Retrieved April 28, 2020.
  3. ^ "NIFA Land-Grant Colleges and Universities Map and List" (PDF). Retrieved April 28, 2020.
  4. ^ "UCCSN Board of Regents' Meeting Minutes January 10-11, 1969" (PDF). Retrieved April 28, 2020.
  5. ^ "UNLV history". Retrieved April 28, 2020.
  6. ^ "1993 Statutes of Nevada, Page 341". Retrieved May 4, 2020.

Edit to Notes

I would like to suggest the following edits to the Notes section:

Information to be added or removed:
In Notes 1 and 2 edit the sentence "However, Governor Brian Sandoval, a UNR graduate and candidate for the President of UNR, opposes that interpretation and views UNR as the sole land grant institution in the state."

to

"However, Governor Brian Sandoval, a UNR graduate and the current President of UNR, opposes that interpretation and views UNR as the sole land grant institution in the state."

Explanation of issue:
Former Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval is now the President of UNR (effective October 5th, 2020).

References supporting change:

https://nshe.nevada.edu/2020/09/board-of-regents-appoint-former-gov-sandoval-new-university-of-nevada-reno-president/
https://www.unr.edu/nevada-today/news/2020/new-president-sandoval
https://www.unr.edu/president

Ordeks (talk) 02:17, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done Altamel (talk) 04:11, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello Altamel. Thank you very much for the edit! Could you please update it in Note 1 as well? Best, Ordeks (talk) 22:59, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Edit Request for the Notes Section

I would like to suggest the following edits to the Notes section:

Information to be added or removed:
In Notes 1 edit the sentence "However, Governor Brian Sandoval, a UNR graduate and candidate for the President of UNR, opposes that interpretation and views UNR as the sole land grant institution in the state."

to

"However, Governor Brian Sandoval, a UNR graduate and the current President of UNR, opposes that interpretation and views UNR as the sole land grant institution in the state."

Explanation of issue:
Former Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval is now the President of UNR (effective October 5th, 2020). This was edited in Note 2 already, but not in Note 1.

References supporting change:

https://nshe.nevada.edu/2020/09/board-of-regents-appoint-former-gov-sandoval-new-university-of-nevada-reno-president/
https://www.unr.edu/nevada-today/news/2020/new-president-sandoval
https://www.unr.edu/president

Ordeks (talk) 17:12, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done. I've merged the two notes together (as they were identical) and fixed the error you pointed out. Zupotachyon (talk) 01:31, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Thank you very much Zupotachyon! Ordeks (talk) 20:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Edit Request Regarding Land-Grant Status

I would like to suggest the following edits to the Notes section:

Specific text to be added or removed:
I would suggest removing Note 1 (or updating it to reflect the most recent information instead).

Reason for the change:
Note 1 was originally included to explain the conflicting interpretations of UNLV's land-grant status. Current legislative action eliminates all ambiguity. In May 2021, the 81st Session of the Nevada Legislature passed SB287 with a constitutional majority. Section 6 of SB287's text states that:
"Chapter 549 of NRS is hereby amended by adding thereto a new section to read as follows:
The state land grant institutions of the University of Nevada are the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, the University of Nevada, Reno, and the Desert Research Institute."

Since the passage of this bill confirms UNLV's land-grant status and leaves no room for varying interpretations, I would suggest the removal of Note 1. If an explanation is still needed, then I would suggest Note 1 to display the current legislative action information instead, as SB287 would supercede any previous interpretation.

References supporting change:
https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/81st2021/Bill/7890/Overview Ordeks (talk) 06:19, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

checkYThis is done. Heartmusic678 (talk) 13:45, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
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