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Notables

Richard and Ronald Harr need to be added to the list of notables in the area of the Arts. America's Next Top Model cycles 6,7, and 11. Class of 1975. 2600:1700:6FD4:8000:3C9E:4DF5:163E:8FAA (talk) 02:56, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

"Types" in infobox

An unregistered editor is insisting that the infobox of this article include the following in the "Type" parameter: Teaching University, Regional Sun Grant University, National Sea Grant University, and National Space Grant University.

Please provide sources that establish "teaching university" is a common, accepted "type" of U.S. university. In the infobox, it's paired with "research" and "research university" is a common, accepted type. I understand that this university places an emphasis on teaching but that doesn't give Wikipedia editors leeway to create a new type of university. If it is commonly used AND applied to this institution, please provide reliable sources, preferable independent ones.

It seems silly to say that a flagship university is a "regional" university. Of course it serves its region; all flagship universities do that. But it also has a national and international focus. So this particular label doesn't seem to apply and editors arguing otherwise should provide reliable sources.

The remaining "-grant" designations also don't belong in the infobox for the sole reason that they're essential, defining characteristics of this (or any other) university or college. The land-grant designation definitely belongs; there are many scholarly books and articles that attest to the importance of the different land-grant acts and how they profoundly shaped curricula and missions (and hence funding and organization) of institutions. To the best of my knowledge, there is no similar body of work for the other -grant designations. They certainly need to be included in the article, likely in the history section and research section, but without evidence that they're essential characteristics of the institution they don't belong in the infobox (or lede). And no, it's not enough to simply quote the institution's own press; if we did that, we'd be adding all kinds of other adjectives and descriptions to this and every other article (e.g., innovative, impactful, unique). ElKevbo (talk) 03:09, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

I disagree. The last Morrill Act of 1890 is passé and fulfilled the need decades ago to provide land for establishing schools. ROTC may be the last remainder of the Act. Just rambling through Wikipedia I found the University of Michigan, Clemson University, University of Alabama, Michigan State University, Ohio State University, University of Florida, University of Texas at Austin, University of Washington, University of Southern California, University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign, University of Wisconsin–Madison, Purdue University, and University of Minnesota all cited non-land grants when I stopped looking. As with UofGa, I suspect the grants are part & parcel of what these institutions (and beaucoups others) are. I understand that UofGa spends an abundance of resources regarding its grants including purchasing and expensively maintaining oceangoing ships, building for, and accommodating off site, researchers and students, and research and construction of satellites, etc. We should leave this to an arbitrator or group of Admins to decide if all these many universities should delete their grants, or continue the age old system of helping readers (that's what we're here for, right?) see what universities have important grant support. Until a final authoritative decision is made, let's leave this rest and quit unilaterally change what has been a helpful norm for years. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 05:07, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
First, we don't "leave [decisions about article content] to an arbitrator or group of admins." We have to discuss disagreements and come to resolutions ourselves.
I am respectfully challenging the assumption that these designations are all of equal weight and importance. Can you please cite some scholarship that establishes that the other -grant (sea, space, sun, and perhaps urban) designations have had a lasting and profound impact on this or other institutions? There is a very large body of scholarship about the immense and lasting impact of the land-grant designation (which didn't "provide land for establishing schools") but I'm not aware of any similar scholarship for the other designations.
I agree that these designations are used in the infoboxes and ledes of many other articles. I'm trying to approach this slowly with just a few articles to see what others think about this but I imagine at some point we'll end up with a large RfC to see if we can resolve this issue across many articles with one discussion. But the objection I've raised for this particular article stands for all of those other articles, too, so for now it's best if we focus on this article. ElKevbo (talk) 05:19, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
Please read my paragraph again re: UofGa. Not sure when can get more info - BTW I am going to be out, and possibly days dealing w/ possible cancer - seeing oncologist & gastroenterologist.Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 06:13, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
One quick comment: as normally used, "regional" is the opposite of "national"--an organization prominent only in its region. I doubt that was the intended meaning. It does I think characterise the university 50 years ago--it is possible that it does not describe it now. DGG ( talk ) 06:33, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Request regarding ethnic/racial statistics

There is a table in the article comparing the racial and ethnic demographics of the UGA student body to the US population in general. However, I suggest that an additional column be included that indicates the state of Georgia population, due to the fact that as a state university the University is intended to serve the state. This would show that, for example, like other Southern states, there is a higher percentage of Black people in Georgia compared to the whole US. --The owner of all ✌️ 20:35, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Rankings

@ElKevbo: I removed the recently-added statement from the lead which read, "it has been ranked by major institutional rankings among the best public universities in the United States", and you reverted it with the edit summary, "it's a fair summary of what's already discussed and sourced in the article; please see MOS:LEADCITE for why we usually avoid putting a lot of sources in the lede." My reason for removing this wasn't because I wanted a bunch of citations in the lead, it was because nowhere in the article is there any indication this statement is true. "U.S. News" ranked it at 47, and "Forbes" ranked at a 99; rankings so low the University of Georgia wasn't even included at Forbes Magazine's List of America's Best Colleges or U.S. News & World Report Best Colleges Ranking. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:50, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

The claim is about the institution's relative ranking among public universities. U.S. News & World Report currently has it ranked 16 among "Top Public Schools." It's in Greene's Guides as a Public Ivy. There are several other similar rankings or classifications in the article. ElKevbo (talk) 15:34, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
@ElKevbo: So among public universities, US News ranks it #16 and Forbes ranks it #69. How is this "among the best"? Magnolia677 (talk) 16:05, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Ranking 16 among the 209 public universities that U.S. News & World Report ranked puts it in the top 8%. Forbes ranked it 69 among 595 institutions placing it in the top 12%. Combined with the other information in the rankings section, it does seem reasonable to summarize this as "among the best public universities in the United States." ElKevbo (talk) 16:18, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
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