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Infobox

At what point does an infobox become appropriate? --Jprg1966 (talk) 22:02, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Never mind. Added by Muboshgu. --Jprg1966 (talk) 23:59, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
It's pretty much appropriate at any time. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:00, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Architects

So far I see one lonely source that the architectural firm HKS, Inc. are being consulted on the new stadium's design. Here is that source. Legit? --Jprg1966 (talk) 01:35, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Entertainment Complex

The Atlanta Braves announced yesterday that the surrounding complex outside of SunTrust Park is called "The Battery Atlanta." Obviously, the Battery is linked with SunTrust Park, but should it be its own page?

Nemov (talk) 14:05, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Other new stadium

@BilCat:, I don't think it would hurt to mention the purpose of the other stadium being built. I understand You may feel that its irrelavant but please let us try to discuss it here and reach a consensus since the back and forth reverting is not getting us anywhere. Eddie 23:49, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Actually, it's already used in the article and in the navbox. Per WP:NOTSEEALSO, "As a general rule, the "See also" section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body or its navigation boxes." So I've removed it completely. - BilCat (talk) 01:39, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
@BilCat:, I still don't see anything wrong with specifying the purpose in the "see also" section. Yes there is a "manual of style" but there's nothing that says You must stick to it rigidly. Eddie 20:38, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


Background

In Background, second paragraph, it would be helpful to link the jargon phrase "value engineered" to the explanatory article on Value Engineering, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_engineering . I just don't know how to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.25.115.38 (talk) 18:14, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Tim Lee

@Radiojon: you seem very adamant about the Tim Lee election. It's received press coverage since he was the face of the decision to bring the Braves to Cobb County. However, the arguments that there was some huge backlash against the project by Cobb County voters isn't supported by polls or by the reelection of the other politicians who supported the project. Also, in 2012, Lee was elected in a runoff election. The election being close isn't a surprise. I don't see his loss as rejection of the project. The whole project is bad for taxpayers, but most of the Lee loss speculation is conjecture by the press. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemov (talk • contribs) 12:27, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

"Additional events" section

Per Nemov's edit comments on 2017-01-29 at 14:37 UTC: "Section would be a better for national events like the All Star Game. Otherwise you might as well list the entire Braves home schedule. This can be moved to Talk if there are further comments."

Many MLB ballpark articles have one or more sections regarding concerts and non-MLB sporting events, including collegiate baseball, hosted at their respective stadiums. It should be restored. Gsu eagle 31049 (talk) 18:08, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

These events need to be notable events and not just a concert stop (I don't think Billy Joel will be noted on every ballpark page he plays this Summer) or a single college game. Nemov (talk) 19:22, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

How exactly are first events in a venue's life not noteworthy enough? The April 8 Georgia-Missouri game will be the first baseball game at SunTrust Park open to the general public, since the March 31 Braves-Yankees preseason game is limited to Braves' season ticket holders, and the Billy Joel concert on April 28 is the first scheduled concert for the ballpark. The Georgia-Georgia Tech game is a continuation of an annual benefit game held since 2003 at Turner Field. Events don't have to be the caliber of an MLB All-Star Game, an NHL outdoor game (either Winter Classic or Stadium Series), or WrestleMania to be noteworthy. Gsu eagle 31049 (talk) 22:51, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
@Gsu eagle 31049:, Feel free to add an "other events" section similar to how it appears on the Citi Field page.Nemov (talk) 13:03, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Confusing line

The ballpark features an intimate configuration placing the highest percentage of seats closer to the field than any other ball park in Major League Baseball

We need some figures to make this more clear. What is the definition of "closer to the field" and what percentage of these seats fit that? 2602:306:CFEA:170:5199:B0E2:42D8:8B31 (talk) 02:17, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

I would love to see more information on how they're basing the claim. The citation in the article is based on a statement by the Braves, but how are they determining that? I have seen articles that show that SunTrust Park has the least amount of foul territory in MLB. I suspect that has something to do with that claim. Nemov (talk) 15:00, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Location

So as to prevent an edit war with HangingCurve, I'd like to ask the following question: What should the location of this future stadium be listed as? I'm not sure of the precedent for answering this question, but I imagine it has to be one of the following three:

1. Cumberland (the stadium would be here, but this is a district)
2. Smyrna (the nearest city, but it does not include the site)
3. Cobb County (since the area is currently unincorporated)

toll_booth (talk) 03:05, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Whatever we decide, can we agree that Atlanta is kind of a bad choice? --Vreddy92 (talk) 14:58, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

The complex will have an Atlanta address. That's all that really matters.

Nemov (talk) 13:20, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Users keep coming to the page to edit the location. SunTrust Park is located in the Atlanta Metro area. Cumberland isn't a city. It's a neighborhood in Cobb County. "SunTrust Park is a baseball park located in the Atlanta metropolitan area 10 miles (16 km) northwest of downtown Atlanta in the Cumberland neighborhood of Cobb County." This is the most accurate description we have and it's clear. Nemov (talk) 18:56, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
@Nemov: First of all, this is can barely be called a discussion as you wrote in your edit summary. Secondly, mailing address does not determine the location. Cumberland is the actual and correct place whether it is a city or not. There was a discussion about a similar problem at T-Mobile Arena, which ended with no consensus and "Paradise, Nevada" was reinstated. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:46, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
@Sabbatino:I would love for there to be a consensus on this because the most changed thing on this page. I believe at one time the location was the address. @BilCat:Do you have an opinion on this question? – Nemov (talk) 02:38, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Yes I do, but I'm staying out of the argument here. - BilCat (talk) 09:12, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

@Jdavi333: Pinging this user since he raised the same question in this discussion. – Sabbatino (talk) 05:48, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the tag. I am not sure why this is even a discussion. The location should be how it is most commonly referred to. Barclays Center is not in New York, New York; it is in Brooklyn, New York. While technically Brooklyn is in New York City, no one calls it that. Here too. Cumberland is an unincorporated community in Cobb County. Definitely not in Atlanta. If it is significant enough to get its own Wikipedia page, i think it can be listed as the location for the stadium. Jdavi333 (talk) 12:54, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
@Jdavi333: @Sabbatino:Obviously Brooklyn makes sense and it's very well known. The location in question is called all kinds of things. Where the ballpark is located is more likely to be called "Galleria" over "Cumberland." So maybe it would more sense to call the location "Galleria." - Nemov (talk) 18:00, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
First line of the Cumberland, Georgia article:

I think it is obvious that Cumberland is the name of the neighborhood/town/city. Call it what you want. The point is, the stadium is clearly in Cumberland, GA, not Atlanta. Look on a map. Jdavi333 (talk) 18:24, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

It's very common for people in and around Atlanta refer to the entire metro area as Atlanta (which is why this probably keeps getting changed). There are various factors for this, but it's unique to the city of Atlanta given how much sprawl there is around the city. This is especially true for areas in and around the 275 beltway. I'll change it to "Cumberland/Galleria, GA." Thanks for everyone's thoughts. - Nemov (talk) 19:23, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Cumberland/Galleria is just a redirect to Cumberland, Georgia. Jdavi333 (talk) 19:26, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
It's better known as the Cobb Galleria area (which is in the article). Maybe some knowledge of the location is required here. Also, is there a compelling reason to change this?

The ballpark is located in Atlanta Metro which is a significant place. Changing the location makes sense, but the other summary was fine.- Nemov (talk) 20:50, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Capacity

It's not a serious deal, but the record attendances exceed the listed stadium capacities. --BobiusPrime (talk) 20:13, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

That's not unusual, as many record attendances often include standing-room-only tickets, and there are probablyother factors too. - BilCat (talk) 20:32, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

BB&T in the summary

Since BilCat continues to revert my edits I'll post the question here to avoid further reverts. I also approached the user via talk, but that was fruitless. I based the summary for Truist Park on Oracle Park. Oracle park has experienced numerous name changes. Those changes are explained in further detail in the article, but aren't part of the summary. Park names changing due to sponsorship changes happen all the time. This won't be the last one for Truist Park. This is an article about the park. It's not article about the history of the bank. If someone is curious about the name change there's a section dedicated to that. It's confusing to bring up BB&T in the summary about an Atlanta Braves ballpark that has never had a relationship with BB&T. Thanks! - Nemov (talk) 18:46, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Oracle Park and Hard Rock Stadium have both had many name changes, far more than most stadiums. But there nothing that says we have to use those stadiums as a pattern. There are probably a few stadiums that have had only one name change so far in there history, but probably only a few in this exact situation. But that's still doesn't force us to follow their examples. In this case, "Truist" is an odd name, and I believe a fuller explanation is helpful. You're welcome to disagree, of course, but it's not up to you to serve as gatekeeper on what should or shouldn't be in any article or section. That's something we all do collectively, and we have to work together. Since at least two editors agreed that having some mention of BB&T in the lead is helpful, you ought to have sought for a consensus to support your change at that point. - BilCat (talk) 20:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
How does mentioning BB&T make an "odd name" less odd? BB&T is also an odd name. I appreciate your overtures at building consensus after dismissing my opinion. Next time it might benefit you to show a little respect when someone takes time to approach you. The two of us have been editing this page together for years. The pattern seems to be that everything is fine unless I happen to disagree with you. - Nemov (talk) 21:40, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
I didn't dismiss your opinion. I attempted to address your issue. You reverted me outright, and then came to my page for a discussion after the fact. That's not showing someone respect. - BilCat (talk) 22:30, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Deleting the conversation from your talk, reverting the article again, and threatening to retire over this is a pretty silly response. - Nemov (talk) 22:58, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Obviously I've overreacted here, and for that I apologize. I've been wiki-retired for 6 months, and also quite obviously I'm not ready to come back. Good day. - BilCat (talk) 23:43, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:The Battery Atlanta

I've created draft article at Draft:The Battery Atlanta. Such articles (mixed use/retail/office complex) aren't my strong suit, so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 08:14, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Awesome, this is something I've been meaning to get around to at some point, but never found time. I see there's an article for the St. Louis Ballpark Village which is a similar concept. Maybe that will help. Looking at your draft it's pretty close. Just the opening summary needs to be fleshed out. Good work. Nemov (talk) 14:02, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. All I really did was copy what we have in this article over to the draft, and added it to the old Lead that had been redirected. There are still places where the tense needs to be updated, and some current information added. There ought to be plenty of information available in the local papers and periodicals. I was only able to find 3 photos on Commons, all from 2017. Hopefully some locals. have taken photos and can add them over time. I don't see any issue with notability, so as soon as we get what's there cleaned up, we can move it to mainspace. Thanks for anything you can do. BilCat (talk) 17:03, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Location

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The editorial consensus is the baseball park is located in Cumberland, Georgia which is a notable place backed by WP:RS.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

@Nemov I am looking to open this back up to a friendly debate. Cumberland, GA doesn't exist anywhere outside of it's Wiki page. In addition, Cumberland isn't a city, CDP like Paradise, NV, or Borough like Bronx, NY. Cumberland only references an area surrounding Cumberland Mall (which is ITP). Being across 285, that area was never associated with Cumberland until recently. It was always the Galleria or even Smyrna where the city limit is literally the other side of Cobb Parkway from the entrance to the Galleria. This is technically a neighborhood like Fenway for Fenway Park and Wrigleyville for Wrigley Field. In addition, I worked at the Galleria as well as for several other places in the area. On my business cards, they all had on them Atlanta GA. Truist Park is not in the Atlanta city limits. It is 2.5 miles away and the closest high school to Truist Park is part of Atlanta City Schools. Before the Battery, the area was considered Atlanta as every business there had an Atlanta address. Most locals referred to the area as the Galleria. Now they refer to it as the Battery. If you want to be technical, I would argue the location should match the mailing address like Wrigley and Fenway. Otherwise, I would argue the location should be a real place like Cobb County, GA. 24.125.213.59 (talk) 06:19, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

The park isn't in the Atlanta city limits. Mailing address doesn't determine location. Cumberland, Georgia is notable enough to be on Wikipedia and that's where the ball park is located. What was on your business cards is irrelevant. The other examples don't make sense either since Wrigley Field is in Chicago and Fenway Park is in Boston. Truist Park is not in Atlanta. The park is in the unincorporated community of Cumberland, in Cobb County, Georgia. - Nemov (talk) 13:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
Your 'assertive' tone is becoming laughable. I am trying to have a friendly debate. Correct, the park is not in Atlanta city limits. If you read what I wrote I typed that. But Cumberland, GA is not a real place. In terms of notoriety, there are also 100s of 1000s of fictional places notable enough to be on Wikipedia. That justification is irrelevant if that is the term we are using. In terms of relevance, the mailing addresses, location, opinion of locals, etc are more relevant than what you consider irrelevant. If you use UPS, FedEx, DHL, or any courier service they will revise the city to Atlanta. I actually had things mailed to the 'irrelevant' address on my business cards. My point is Cumberland, GA is not a city, edge city, borough, CDP, etc. It is simply a neighborhood, and a neighborhood where few who live there use as a reference. How do I know? I lived there for a couple of years a couple of miles from the park. Nobody who has ever been there is saying they are going to Cumberland outside of going to the Mall. If anything it would be referencing the Cumberland Improvement District which is one of 25 CIDs in the State and it was established in the 80s. Even then, folks referred to the area as the Galleria. The area where the battery is used to be trees and a lake with a walking path around it. Nobody ever associated that area with the mall. Based on your response, you've obviously never been to the area other than maybe visiting the park. To be factually correct, it should be changed to Atlanta to match what USPS thinks or what their address says, or Cobb County, GA to reference what locals think and not a place that is similar to my subdivision. 24.125.213.59 (talk) 15:42, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
There was a lively debate on this subject today on a Facebook group consisting of Atlanta natives. I now understand where the confusion comes from. Unless you are from Atlanta, you probably don't understand this. Every zip code in the Metro Area that starts with 303 is considered Atlanta regardless of the county it is in. If you lived within city limits then you voted for Mayor. Outside of city limits you didn't. Only ~9% of the population of Metro Atlanta lives within the city limits. Because of some historically racist ideas, when the GOP took over the Georgia Legislature in 2004 they were able to push forward cityhood for Sandy Springs. This is when counties started to claim parts of unincorporated areas and give them their own names (See Sandy Springs, Dunwoody, Johns Creek, Brookhaven). It was all racially motivated and this is when you started to see folks try to limit Atlanta to within city limits. There has historically been animosity towards the City of Atlanta by other Metro areas and residents. So technically, the city limits are irrelevant because that is the term we are using. This is the NATIVE ATLANTA RESIDENT viewpoint and the viewpoint that should drive the narrative. I noticed in this original talk thread we were missing that point of view. Cumberland is not a city, it is a mall. Nobody says they live in Cumberland. Nobody says they are going to a restaurant in Cumberland unless they are going to one of the ones attached to the mall. People who live there do not tell people they live in Cumberland. It is not a valid place and that is why it needs to be changed. I would recommend listening to an Atlanta native on this one. 24.125.213.59 (talk) 05:29, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a place to argue "local viewpoints", as they are considered original research. Locals have no special status on Wikipedia. What matters is published reliable sources. Period. As long as such sources state that Truist (I still hate that name! Ugh!) Park is located in the unincorporated community of Cumberland, that's what the article will say. Please note that this is not a unique issue. I've seen similar arguments on dozens of talk pages. In the end, it often comes down to an editorial judgment based on what a majority of reliable sources state. Even then, the decision is usually controversial to somebody.
As an aside, postal addresses are often confusing, and even inaccurate. I used to live in Chattanooga, Tennessee. East Ridge, Tennessee, is a smaller city adjacent to Chattanooga. Even though East Ridge is an incorporated city of over 20,000, it's official USPS address is Chattanooga. So if you want to write to city hall, the "correct" address would be "East Ridge City Hall, Chattanooga, Tennessee 37412"! BilCat (talk) 21:26, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
I agree with published reliable sources. I am actually ALL FOR IT! Please provide a published reliable source that references Cumberland, GA as a real place(The wiki page does not count because I also question the validity of that). There is no such thing as Cumberland, GA. Cumberland is a neighborhood. Not a city, edge city, CDP, made up city, factual city, fictional city, none of that. It is simply a neighborhood and shouldn't be referenced as the Geographic referenced place where Truist Park is. We can look no further than the Truist Park Website: https://www.mlb.com/braves/ballpark/transportation. It reads, "Truist Park is located 10 miles northwest of downtown Atlanta in the Cumberland neighborhood of Cobb County." It does not say it is located in Cumberland, GA. It does not say Cumberland community in unincorporated Cobb County. It then lists the mailing address which lists Atlanta as the city it is in. Cumberland Mall says it is in Atlanta. This is the mall the area is named after: https://www.cumberlandmall.com/en.html. The Roxy Theater labels itself as Atlanta's premier concert venue with an Atlanta address. It is in The Battery: https://www.cocacolaroxy.com/venueinfo. The new Thyssenkrupp HQ says they are in Cobb County, GA (I'm actually fine with that). https://www.areadevelopment.com/newsItems/7-30-2018/thyssenkrupp-elevator-headquarters-cobb-county-georgia.shtml#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20world%27s%20largest%20elevator%20companies%20and,Georgia%2C%20in%20collaboration%20with%20the%20Braves%20Development%20Company. I could list hundreds of references and not one will say they are in Cumberland, GA. and close to 100% of them will say they are in Atlanta. Cumberland, GA IS NOT A CITY! And that has always been the point. 24.125.213.59 (talk) 01:00, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
In Atlanta, the history of the zip codes in the city was that anything 303 was considered Atlanta. Then you had inside the city limits vs outside the city limits. If you were inside the city limits then you voted for mayor and paid higher taxes. In 2004, when the GOP took over the legislature, you started to see cities break away from this designation and form their own cities starting with the City of Sandy Springs. That is why the Galleria area (Where Truist Park is) is considered Atlanta by locals. That is why you see an Atlanta address on everything. There was always an inside vs outside the city limits designation. 24.125.213.59 (talk) 01:00, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
You do realize I'm not Nemov? Your uncivil comments about "Your Napoleon-complex inspired assertiveness" do not apply to me, and should not be made about anyone. Please stop. BilCat (talk) 01:14, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
My apologies. He came at me like that first and I should have left it at that. I will modify. 24.125.213.59 (talk) 02:08, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

When this was discussed originally when the park was being built I thought it should be an Atlanta address. However, after it was discussed and I researched it further I found that I was wrong and accepted the consensus position. The hostility to opposing opinions isn't warranted. Those who have discussed this topic did so in good faith. I would suggest that 24.125.213.59 brush up on the WP:GUIDELINE. If you "question the validity" of Cumberland, GA being a real and notable place then you should proceed to the Talk:Cumberland, Georgia to discuss there. - Nemov (talk) 18:36, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Let the record show that I was threatened first and the condescending tone wasn't initiated by me. Check my talk entries. Check the history of the entries. I question the validity of Truist Park being located in the City of Cumberland, GA where there is no such thing as a City(edge city, unincorporated city, etc) of Cumberland, GA. The Cumberland, GA wiki is irrelevant to this discussion. I propose it at a minimum get changed to Cobb County, GA(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobb_County,_Georgia) since it is in an unincorporated part of the county. It is actually in Atlanta based on its mailing address but I'm willing to let that go. Truist not being in Atlanta is a political position by people who didn't understand the business aspect of the Braves leaving downtown, Atlanta and not one that has consensus locally from those outside of the Progressive Left. I have provided multiple examples including that from the homepage of Truist Park and none reference the Park being in Cumberland, GA. They say the Cumberland Neighborhood of Cobb County. A neighborhood usually isn't considered and edge city, CDP, etc. Hence, my reference to Wrigleyville and Fenway as examples of parks in notable neighborhoods. I even supplied the history of how the zip codes in Atlanta were derived(we were taught that as youngsters when we would take field trips to the Post Office). LOL! I am not the enemy here. I come in 100% TRUTH and Peace. 24.125.213.59 (talk) 19:29, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Is there a reason the contributor's viewpoint was ignored? They made valid points. There is no such thing as Cumberland, GA. I recommend changing the location to Cobb County, GA. Is there a way it can be changed without incident? That area is home to multiple landmarks and corporate headquarters and they all list Atlanta as where they are located. RaceTrac, Synovous, Genuine Parts, Aarons, HD Supply, ThyssenKrupp, Cumberland Mall, Cobb Energy Center, Galleria Conference Center, The Weather Channel, Randstad, Sprint, Assurant, and a few others all have major corporate presence there and they all, even on Wikipedia if applicable, list their location as Atlanta, GA. The entire reason this is even a debate was that it was made political when the Braves left Turner field. What needs to be done to get the debate started again? I would say go by the city Truist Park lists as their address on the website. If people disagree with the Truist Park website then the 2nd best location is Cobb, County GA. Byoungjr (talk) 05:42, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

How was the viewpoint ignored? Cumberland, GA is notable, it does exist, and that's the location of the ballpark. I've been editing this article from the very beginning. The location of the park is the location. It doesn't have anything to do with politics. Nemov (talk) 14:56, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
As someone who has both grown up in and frequented the area for over 50yrs, worked at Cumberland mall as a teenager, lived in the Cortland at the Battery(Apartment complex next door to Truist Park), and worked at the Galleria, I can convey to you that "Cumberland, GA" is not a "Notable" place and the notion of "Cumberland, GA" where it is assumed that Cumberland is a city in Georgia doesn't exist. "Cumberland" is never used in any geographic terms when someone is referencing the area. That is why it is better to say it is in Cobb County, GA. This is political because living here, it didn't become a debate until the Braves announced they were leaving Turner Field. Before then, nobody had any problems referring to the area as Atlanta, like 99.9% of the companies and businesses based there do without incident. However, since this is Wikipedia, we have a duty to the public to give them factual information. Suggesting a business is in Cumberland, GA is not accurate. @Nemov As a life-long resident of the area who has been going to Cumberland Mall since it opened in 1973 as a toddler, I would ask that you respectfully consider my viewpoint and not be dismissive of it, which is the tone your reply is conveying.   Byoungjr (talk) 18:53, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia article talk pages aren't for "debates", but for discussing improvements to the article itself. As such, you need to focus on presenting reliable sources that support your position, not personal experience, anecdotes, and opinion. These are totally irrelevant to the article, and will be rightly dismissed. I suggest you focus on citing reliable published sources, not business cards. BilCat (talk) 19:38, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
I totally agree with that @BilCat. Let us please cite published sources. I don't understand the Business Card reference, but let me explain. Every address I have had living and working in the area listed Atlanta, GA as the city. If you were to take into account the companies inside of the Cumberland CID, you will find the published proof of their location. If you go to the contact us at the following companies: TravelPort, Racetrac, Randstad USA, Genuine Parts, The Weather Channel, and TK Elevator (In the Battery) all list Atlanta and none list Cumberland, GA as where they are located. Another item I would consider a reliable published resource is the actual property tax bill. Here is the property tax bill for the Atlanta Braves, the Omni Hotel next to the stadium, and the Roxy theater. None of them reference being in Cumberland, GA. In fact, the only place you see Cumberland, GA referenced is on Wikipedia and the Cobb Visitor's website as a neighborhood. There are a lot more but I can start with those. I can supply as many published references as needed. Since Atlanta is so controversial because of politics, the best representation would be Cobb County, Georgia. Byoungjr (talk) 06:35, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
The postal service doesn't determine location. If you want to learn about what Wikipedia considers reliable sources I suggest researching WP:RS. This park location is consistent with other parks outside the city limits throughout the country. So I don't see the political angle, so you should set that aside because it's not a factor here. Nemov (talk) 12:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
@Nemov I would say you have to be a resident to understand the political angle. Beyond that, the postal service says Atlanta as the address. Now, we could go into the history of why but that is irrelevant here. My point is you will not find any reliable source that says Truist Park (Or any business in the Cumberland CID) is in Cumberland, GA. There is not one source beyond Wikipedia. The source I listed above was the actual property tax bill of the property. In the location that is on the property tax bill, it does not say it is in Cumberland, GA. On the source page you referenced, it read "A source is where the material comes from. For example, a source could be a book or a webpage. " I have provided websites and property tax bills as sources. Those are not my personal opinion or experience. It then reads, "When editors talk about sources that are being cited on Wikipedia, they might be referring to any one of these three concepts:". Concept 1(The piece of work itself) - See the websites I provided as reference. Concept 2(The creator of the work) - Truist Park was built by Mortenson construction who lists the location as Cobb County, GA. In each of those concepts, you will not find Cumberland, GA referenced. You do see Cobb County, GA referenced which is my recommendation. Byoungjr (talk) 15:00, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
If you don't believe Cumberland, GA is a valid location and shouldn't be on Wikipedia you can go to that article and request for it to be deleted. I don't believe that's gonna find much support though. You might also take it up with the Braves who mention Cumberland on their own website.[1]. Nemov (talk) 15:16, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
@Nemov On the Braves Website you link it reads, "Truist Park is located 10 miles northwest of downtown Atlanta in the Cumberland neighborhood of COBB COUNTY." It does not say it is in the edge community of Cumberland, GA. To compare, the old Turner Field was in the Summerhill neighborhood of Atlanta. Turner Field isn't listed on Wikipedia as being in Summerhill, GA. The Florida Aquarium is in the Channel District. It's location isn't listed on Wikipedia as Channel District, Fl. Those are two direct comparisons to the example you posted. Byoungjr (talk) 00:59, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
There's nothing left here for me to add. I've outlined the next steps you'll have to take. Good luck. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 01:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
@Byoungjr: There's a big difference between being a part of an incorporated city (within its city limits), and being in an unincorporated area of a county. All of your examples given above (as far as I can tell) are of the former, where Wikipedia generally defaults to the city. In the end, it comes down to a matter of editorial preference in those latter cases. Given that we do have a Wikipedia article on Cumberland, we went with it, and for the other reasons we've given. At this point, that's the consensus here. Continuing to ramble on for months about how unfair Atlanta politics is and what's on your business cards isn't going to persuade anyone. You are welcome to pursue the next steps as Nemov has suggested. BilCat (talk) 01:21, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
@BilCat I think you are confusing me with someone else as I have no idea what you are referring to with Business cards or rambling for months. Also, I am not suggesting you change the location to Atlanta. I am suggesting it be changed to Cobb County, GA. I understand the difference between inside city limits vs. outside city limits. All of my examples proved that you wouldn't find anywhere a legal entity refers to themselves as being in Cumberland, GA. It had nothing to do with Atlanta. I recommend Cobb County, GA. I also don't understand the animosity towards myself, as I have been nothing but professional in all of my statements. In addition, I never typed anything about Atlanta politics being unfair. I informed you why there is controversy whenever Truist Park's location comes up. All of my points are that you will not see "Cumberland, Georgia" referenced anywhere outside Wikipedia. But as you typed, it comes down to editorial preference based on the opinion of people who are not familiar with the area. Byoungjr (talk) 07:00, 2 April 2022 (UTC)


@Byoungjr: My apologies for confusing you with the IP. However, my patience on this issue is exhausted, whether it's your fault or not. Please pursue the next steps. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 07:28, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
@BilCat Continue to ramble? We should be above personal attacks. Especially considering it has been five months since I have typed anything on this topic. I have just written this off as an article edited by people who aren't familiar with Atlanta. 24.125.213.59 (talk) 23:36, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
That's not a personal attack. I'm familiar with Atlanta, I just disagree with you POV. BilCat (talk) 00:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Agree with BilCat. I was born in Atlanta and I'm very familiar with the area. The argument that this is as an article edited by people who aren't familiar with Atlanta a) not relevant in regards to Wikipedia policy and b) not even true to begin with... you are basically making assumptions because you don't agree. Nemov (talk) 01:52, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Not familiar with the Galleria/Cobb County area would probably be more accurate. But there is no need to continue the negative attacks. All I wanted was to have a friendly debate and to start the dialog of getting it changed to properly reflect it's location. One can read the above reply's and see the tone that was used towards me. I just went to meet a friend at Yardhouse yesterday and I asked a few people what city I was in. Not one person said Cumberland. That was the point but I was trying to make in that nobody ever refers to that area as Cumberland. At this point it is just useless as I am not a part of the Wikipedia insider group so that POV will never stand a chance of being read. Byoungjr (talk) 15:34, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Please let us know if you need help taking the next steps. Happy editing! Nemov (talk) 15:46, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
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