Talk:Triathlon/Archive 2

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Must a triathlon be swim/bike/run?

The first sentence of the article seems pretty definitive that a triathlon is composed of swimming, biking, and running; however, for the past 31 years, the Little Miami Triathlon has been a canoe (or recently kayak)/run/bike event. While the majority of triathlons are swim/bike/run, wouldn't a combination of any three individual endurance sports qualify as a triathlon? If so, would anyone seriously object if that first sentence of the article were editted to read "A triathlon is a multi-sport endurance event often consisting of swimming, cycling, and running ..." William McVey (talk) 22:30, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

There is a section devoted to "Non Standard Variations". It could go in there.--JOJ Hutton 18:13, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
In light of McVey's comments, the intro was reworded back in January 2011 [1]. BarkeepChat/$ 18:34, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
I think the lead should stay, swim/bike/run is the most common form. There is another section for variations from the norm, and it does not need mentioning in the lead.MilkStraw532 (talk) 18:38, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Paratriathlon

This article needs a section on Paratriathlon. See http://www.triathlon.org/paratriathlon/ for details. The sport has been accepted for the 2016 Summer Paralympic Games in Rio de Janiero. Roger (talk) 18:10, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Feel free to start a section! --NSH001 (talk) 18:42, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
OK, it's on my "hit list", I hope to get it done before next weekend. Roger (talk) 19:33, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
A few months later than "next weekend" but at last there is a draft article in my Sandbox - please feel free to contribute to it. Roger (talk) 09:40, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Units

As stated in WP:UNIT "All other articles: the main unit is generally an SI unit".135.19.148.107 (talk) 10:15, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

It also states "In non-science US-related articles: the main quantity is generally expressed in US customary units." Ironman and Ironman 70.3 are events produced by a US Company, World Triathlon Corporation. Certain races, such as Escape from Alcatraz, are American events and should not be presented metric as the primary distance shown. Other changes, such as the weights for Clydesdale and Athena are based on references that state those specific weights. Please do not make sweeping changes without discussing first. Thank you. BarkeepChat/$ 13:14, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
There are Ironman events all over the world. I know the US would like the world to use its antiquated units system, but every country in the world has adopted the metric system. 135.19.148.107 (talk) 09:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
The policy states "In non-science US-related articles" This article is not strictly "US-related". Even the organising company calls itself the WORLD Triathlon Corporation. IM and IM70.3 are INTERNATIONAL events and therefore should presented with metric as the primary distance shown. I would go as far as having the entire article in metric only with the exception of the IM and IM70.3 segments being referenced in US units as a secondary unit of measure. 207.35.123.37 (talk) 12:03, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
The fact that the rest of the world uses metric is irrelevant to many of the events/distances changed in the article. Ironman, Escape from Alcatraz, and Enduroman lists its events in miles and thus should be listed as such (MOS:CONVERSIONS). Some units rely on references that state those specific units. Changing them would make the statement inaccurate per the ref. The only place that I feel at this time where the units could be changed is on the generic Long-Distance and Ultra-Distance distance descriptions, but even then I would argue that the majority of these types of races list their units in miles. BarkeepChat/$ 13:44, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
You could argue all you want, but without any relevant sources, your arguments are invalid. 135.19.148.107 (talk) 10:54, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
With exception to my last point (to which I don't think there is a way to validate via a WP:RS) each of the discussion points/race events I mentioned have a reference within the article itself or link to another Wikipedia article that contains the applicable reference. BarkeepChat/$ 13:58, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Links to other Wikipedia articles as references is equivalent to tautological reasoning. BTW, I just got back from Ironman 70.3 Mont-Tremblant and I couldn't help but notice that all distance markers were in km and not a single marker was in miles. Buoys were placed every 100 m and the medals given to the finishers had all distances in metric only. That leads me to believe that even for the WTC the principal unit of measurement is metric and that US units are the exception and not the rule. 135.19.148.107 (talk) 19:25, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

If you would like to see the actual outside references in those other Wikipedia articles, then fine I'll add in the refs, but that's not the point - the events themselves list those distances in miles not metric. Yes, Mt. Tremblant and all other non-American race will list distances in accordance to what is customary for its location. When discussing these specific events, metric should be used (see Challenge Roth and Ironman Sweden), but when speaking about Ironman and Ironman 70.3 in general terms the distances should be listed as the event itself lists them (for example [2]). Further, the 70.3 in the event title is the total distance in miles. BarkeepChat/$ 19:44, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Units specific to long and ultra distances

Although User:Barkeep thinks that IM and IM 70.3 events should be expressed primarily in US distances with SI units in secondary, a "long distance" triathlon is not exclusively known as an Ironman 70.3, nor is an "ultra distance" triathlon known as an Ironman and the US based WTC cannot claim ownership of all such distance triathlons. The WP:UNIT "All other articles: the main unit is generally an SI unit" therefore applies to long course and ultra distances. Since User:Barkeep cannot demonstrate that long course and ultra distance triathlons are US-related articles (again WP:UNIT), the main units should be SI units. Any revert of this modification on his or anyone else's part would violate the principle of good faith modifications. 135.19.148.107 (talk) 19:40, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I am not opposed to changing the generic units for long-course events, it is to event and brand specific events or those items that list those distances under there supported refs. This further falls under WP:UNIT - MOS:CONVERSIONS. It is for this reason I have opposed your previous article edits which has effected these areas mentioned in the above Units section. Second, I don't think it is in good faith to call myself out and declaring my point invalid when no other contributor has given his/her opinion. If a conclusion can not be drawn here we can seek out a third opinion. BarkeepChat/$ 19:57, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
"I am not opposed to changing the generic units for long-course events" yet you systematically reverted these changes and threatened to block me. I believe the article in it's present state respects WP:UNIT and it is also my belief that you agree with that. 135.19.148.107 (talk) 20:21, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
I am fine with the article's present state ([3]), my previous reverts reflected my disagreement with your blanket changing of all units in the article to metric. My warning to have you blocked is what I typically do to anonymous editors (for reasons mentioned here) who do not engage in talk page discussion after attempts to do so, but instead leave a comment and proceed have an article reverted back. I appreciate your cooperation on this regarding your recent article edits (or lack thereof) over the last few days. Please keep in mind that civility when dealing with editors goes a long way. Congrats on your finish at Mont Tremblant. BarkeepChat/$ 20:59, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Well I am not that familiar with Wikipedia so I appreciate your patience with my newbie faux pas. Best regards. 135.19.148.107 (talk) 21:14, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Since this version of Wikipedia can be considered to be the international version, almost the entire world uses the metric system, the metric system is part of the SI and the metric system is much clearer (no weird arbitrary conversions) than the imperial system by default the metric system should be used. Possibly with the exceptions of some American en British triathlons which have different distances than one of the official distances. 82.169.75.143 (talk) 05:03, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

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