Talk:Tokugawa Iemitsu

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I didn't realize that this article was in such poor shape. If anyone has an interest in Iemitsu's life, I'm sure entire books could be written rather than just the timeline-style list presented here. LordAmeth 11:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Iemitsu's xenophobia[edit]

I'm not sure if it's fair to even potentially attribute Iemitsu's xenophobia to Ieyasu; after all, Ieyasu was the patron of Will Adams and had the whole "red seal ship" system...could someone pin down some sources regarding this? -Tadakuni 22:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Succession box[edit]

An interested editor "tweaked" the succession boxes in articles about the 15 Tokugawa shoguns; and the change became a thread topic at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan#Tokugawa shoguns. Although a corollary thread topic was posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Royalty#Japanese shoguns, no comments or suggestions were elicited.

Aumnamahashiva substituted "regnal" succession boxes; and an plausible rationale for those edits was offered, focusing primarily on the functional sense in which the Tokugawas were hereditary autocrats. In contrast was an argument that the regnal succession box is, by definition, misapplied. Although the terms "reign" and "rule" are conventionally used by scholars, neither the Tokugawa, the Ashikaga, the Hōjō nor the Minamoto shoguns were "royalty" as that term is defined in Japanese history and culture.

Participation in this thread was limited, but I construed it as sufficient justification to restore the previous (non-regnal) succession box. This explanation and the links to soon-to-be-archived threads may prove to be helpful in the future? --Tenmei (talk) 14:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Decree concerning hairdo and swords[edit]

In 1645 Iemitsu decreed that swords from that moment had to have a certain size, curvature and weight. Longer swords were outlawed. This was a very important decree, as it turned the samurai less efficient, thus rendering them less dangerous for the Bakufu.

I think this should be added to the text. It's more important than one might think at first. After all, this was the basis of the unshakable power of the shōgun for the next two centuries. I am sure that there are people here who will have no problem with finding the right sources to confirm this. Kennin (talk) 10:18, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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End of Patrilineality?[edit]

The claim made that "it is speculated [Tokugawa Iemitsu] was the last direct male descendant of Tokugawa Ieyasu, thereby ending the patrilineality of the shogunate by the third generation" is not an accurate assertion, given that the Tokugawa shogunate wasn't passed down solely to descendants (or alleged descendants) of Iemitsu due to the Gosanke as well as Ieyasu's many other sons and their descendants. There should probably be some kind of change made, either correcting the statement to more accurately reflect these facts, or simply removing it entirely. Given that there is no source added to back up that claim, I think it would be best to simply remove the sentence, but as a relatively new & inexperienced editor, I'm not certain what the best course of action is, so if anyone has feedback/suggestions, I'd appreciate that! Tenjin-kun (talk) 06:35, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, given that Ieyasu had three other sons capable of supplying an heir, this makes the statement weaker. But I haven’t been able to find any other sources stating anything about Ietmitsu’s heir not being his son. Though I did only briefly searched and looked at some sources. Where did this claim come from? Fietsvt (talk) 01:41, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]