Talk:Tin Machine II

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tin Machine II/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 13:51, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

It is fully appropriate for me to be the reviewer since I took on the sequel and this is the only album ahead of mine in the GANs queue! --K. Peake 13:51, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Shouldn't the img caption use British instead of European per the body referencing the former version of the cover?
• Late 1989 – early 1990; late 1990 → 1989 – 1990 under recording, not only to avoid repetition of 1990 but also since only months should be used next to years, not later or early
• Replace hlist with bullet points per Template:Infobox album
• Why is hard rock listed as a genre but blues isn't?
• Pipe London to London Recordings
• Does it really need to be noted in the infobox what song Hugh Padgham produced?
• Remove wikilink on studio album
• "American guitarist Reeves Gabrels and" → "Reeves Gabrels on guitar and" for consistency
• "recorded the album in" → "recorded it in"
• "It was produced by the band" → "The production was handled by Tin Machine"
• "the band's debut album," → "their eponymous debut studio album (1989),"
• "Tin Machine II musically retains a" → "the album retains a"
• "compared to their debut," → "compared to its predecessor,"
• "The cover artwork featured" → "The cover artwork features"

• All above done

• Can't you mention what critics were divided towards and shouldn't this come before singles/commercial performance?

• Will come back – zmbro _(talk) 15:08, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• Almost forgot this, how's that look? – zmbro _(talk) 15:13, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• "releasing Black Tie White Noise the following year." → "releasing his eighteenth studio album, Black Tie White Noise (1993)."
• Wikilink reissued
• Pipe vinyl to Phonograph record
• Pipe CD to Compact disc

• Above four done

Background

• Remove wikilink on Tin Machine
• "lineup included guitarist" → "lineup included American guitarist"
• Introduce Tin Machine as eponymous debut album
• "the energy of the band," → "the energy of Tin Machine,"
• "The band initially received" → "The band were responded to with"
• "promoting the album," → "promoting Tin Machine,"
• "initially received mixed reviews" → "was met with mixed reviews"
• "noted that the band" → "noted that Tin Machine"
• "the band took a break" → "Tin Machine took a break"

• All done

Production

• Retitle to Recording and production
• "Tin Machine maintained the same lineup as their debut," → "They maintained the lineup of Tin Machine," because the debut has not been mentioned in this section, but you want to avoid repetitiveness
• "The band played an" → "Tin Machine played an"
• "on 4 November" → "on 4 November 1989"
• "work with Tin Machine" → "work as part of Tin Machine"
• Wikilink reissue
• "the group signed with" → "Tin Machine signed with"
• Pipe London Records to London Recordings
• "to three new tracks." → "to record three new tracks."
• "working with them he" → "working with them, he"
• "the debut album," → "their debut album,"
• Pipe mix to Audio mixing (recorded music)
• "for the band's debut album." → "for Tin Machine." to avoid writing debut too much
• "It was then" → "The song was then" because it was not mentioned in the previous sentence
• "We really got off on it". if the sentence ends at this point, then the full-stop should be inside the quote marks

• All done

Music and lyrics

• Again, use something other than "the debut" since this is a new section
• "than their debut," → "than the debut,"
• Is schmaltz really a genre? If not, it should still be mentioned but after them.
• Wikilink "You Belong in Rock n' Roll"
• "that at the time he" → "that at the time, he"
• Pipe industrial to Industrial music
• Remove overly obvious wikilink on Thailand
• "show the band" → "show the band to be"
• Wikilink "Baby Universal"

• All done

Release

• Retitle to Release and promotion
• "for the album's American release," → "for the American release of Tin Machine II,"
• "Bowie floated the idea" → "He teased the idea"
• Mention the name of the label in place of "the record company" since it has not been written out in this section
• "of Hunt Sales' shoulders" → "of Sales' shoulders"
• [a][4] should be after the first comma instead
• "It peaked at" → "The album peaked at"
• "where it peaked at number 126" → "peaking at number 126"
• "was issued in November" → "was issued the next month"
• "The band supported" → "Tin Machine supported"
• "and ran through" → "and ran through until" or something similar
• [37] should not only be invoked once for the five sentences; maybe do every two apart from the last one, where it is invoked a third time?
• Specify if "in America" means North America or the US
• Pipe ABC In Concert to In Concert (American TV series)
• "series (aired on 6 September 1991)." → "series, aired on 6 September 1991."
• Add release years of the songs

• All done

Critical reception

• MusicHound giving a "woof" haha!!!

• Ikr xD

• "received mixed reviews" → "was met with mixed reviews"
• Mention the name of the Q reviewer
• "this album did not" → "the album does not"
• "such individual tracks such as" → "individual tracks such as"
• "similarly called it" → "similarly called the album"
• "Steve Appleford found it" → "Steve Appleford found Tin Machine II"
• Either mentioned the Billboard reviewer by name or use "a Billboard writer"
• "were ready to hear it." → "were ready to listen."

• All done

Legacy

• Shouldn't the Pegg citation be invoked after the second sentence as well as the last since only once for three doesn't seem right?
• "noting that it" → "noting how it" to avoid overusage of "that"
• "on the band's debut" → "on Tin Machine"
• "states that it" → "states that the album"
• "than their debut" → "than the debut"
• "Furthermore, he highlights" → "Furthermore, Pegg highlights"
• "and panning "Stateside"" → "while panning "Stateside""
• Remove "the same year" because this is confusing and also not needed when the year is mentioned earlier in the sentence
• "about the rerelease." → "about the re-release."

• All done

Track listing

• Good

Personnel

• Pipe vibrators to Slicer (guitar effect)

• Done

Charts

• Like last time, shouldn't Billboard be in brackets for the chart?

• Done

Notes

• Good

References

• Copyvio score looks fantastic at 14.5%; top job!!!
• Nice move on the archiving here
• Fix MOS:CAPS issues with refs 9 and 31, plus author-link Jon Pareles on the former

• Done

• Why does ref 36 cite pp. 204-204 rather than p. 204?

• Supposed to be 203-204; fixed

• Wikilink Visible Ink Press on ref 39
• Pipe Q to Q (magazine) on ref 40
• Remove staff author from refs 46 and 47, as this parameter is only for anyone named
• Author-link Reeves Gabrels on ref 49
• Wikilink Official Charts Company on ref 56

• Above five done

Sources

• Good

External links

• Good

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed after this quick review; I have left the pics relevant criterion unchecked because I am unsure about the caption for the cover until I see your response. --K. Peake 11:43, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake All done. Thanks for reviewing! – zmbro _(talk) 15:08, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• Zmbro Refreshing to have a review where we appear to have not come to any disagreements, but you forgot to remove the title of the song that Hugh Padgham produced from the infobox and the revision of critical reception in the lead is great! --K. Peake 17:26, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake Agreed. And ope my bad must've not seen that one. Fixed! – zmbro _(talk) 17:28, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• Zmbro ✓ Pass now, looks good and the quickness of your response definitely deserves kudos! --K. Peake 17:31, 16 November 2021 (UTC)