Talk:The Monks/GA1
No they didn't influence the Velvet Underground[edit]
That silly claim came with 3 citations but only one, Len Comaratte, actully said so. This is extremely unlikely. The album was only released in Germany where it didn't sell very well.
Lenbrazil (talk) 23:55, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Garagepunk66 (talk · contribs) 04:45, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
I will be reviewing this article. 
This process may take 7 days. Garagepunk66 (talk) 04:56, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
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- 1) It is reasonably well written:
OK
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- 7) Overall: Excellent Quality
- Pass/Fail: Passes GA
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Is there a way we can get a source that mentions the name, "The Rhythm Rockers" for Burger and Day's duo. Ugly Things and "Holy Rockers" mention their duo, but the name "Rhythm Rockers" is not mentioned in either source. I there a way we can get a source? I'm guessing it is Shaw's book. Do we have a page? Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:29, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Also, we could pin down the source that mentions manager talent Hans Reich. I have a feeling it is mentioned in the CD liner notes or in Shaw's book. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:06, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Done, and The Early Years CD booklet does cover Hans Reich which is why it is used to source that detail.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 12:29, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Fixed Good. I also think I identified the source for "Rhythm Rockers", so I put it in, but correct me if I'm wrong. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:46, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Final comment: The article looks really good. It is accurate, informative, and broad in scope. It is neutral and objective and cites a wide range of reliable sources. I can now certify that the article meets all of the criteria for GA. Pass. Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:37, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
Use of feedback[edit]
The claim by Stax, Stoltz, and Comaratte that the deliberate use of acoustic feedback in music was "invented" by The Monks (where all sources can only go as far as pointing towards their debut album recorded in late 1965 as any tangible "proof", and only, by means of an audacious stretch of speculation, to their early 1965 rehearsals at the Bar Rio) should be amended by the simple fact that a.) feedback had been used in classical music recordings since the early 1960s by Robert Ashley, and b.) as early as 1964 on popular music chart-topper I Feel Fine by The Beatles.
Both points used to be part of this article in the past when it used to be much shorter and already claimed that feedback had been "invented" by The Monks, but point a.) was removed by arguing that The Monks had nothing to do with classical music, and point b.) was removed by claiming that The Monks were in West Germany at the time and thus supposedly wouldn't have any clue as to what The Beatles were putting out, as well as by deliberately and consistently throughout the then-article dating The Monks's debut album one year back and I feel fine one year forward, such as that the person that removed it claimed that Black Monk Time woulda actually been released "way earlier" than I feel fine. --2003:71:4E6A:B463:E461:79B2:5C3B:DF32 (talk) 21:50, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Actually only Comaratte (who?) said that. I removed that as obviously untrue, In one of the cited sources Burger acknowledged being influenced by the Who and Pretty Things.
Lenbrazil (talk) 23:51, 13 March 2022 (UTC)