Talk:The Holocaust in Poland/Archives/2019/May

Jedwabne - antisemitism?

Recent research explains reasons of the 1941 pogroms http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/?GCOI=80140102719170 Xx236 (talk) 14:25, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

The book does not suggest anti-Semitism had nothing to do with it. François Robere (talk) 16:13, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

A lot of your posts (including from today [1]) are doubtful of the existence of anti-Semitism in Poland, or of Poles' persecution of Jews around and during WWII. It's getting old. François Robere (talk) 20:38, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

This Talk page is for discussing The Holocaust in Poland. This page isn't about me, nor about your opinion about me.

I'm answering biased opinions of some editors. Do you criticize the biased editors? Xx236 (talk) 07:42, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Polish synagogues aren't defended by armed police or soldiers, which is standard for many West European countries. The British Labour Party has problems with anti-Semitism. Antisemitism isn Poland is much lower than anti-Polonizm in Israel or in some Jewish media. [2] - th epicture you see shows victims of the German camp Bergen-Belsen, many of them probably Christian Polish. The picture (and one more) were used to accuse Poles. The picture is preserved under the title Polish Culpability..., small letters explain that the picture is wrong but history cannot ignore the collaboration of Catholic Poles in the murder of their fellow Polish-Jewish citizens. So history is The Jewish Voice, even if it publishes false pictures. collabortaion of Catholic Poles is a simplification, crimes on Jews were rather criminal or committed by terrorized people. Rpbbery of Jewish goods was illegal and the pluderers were harsky punished by Germans, even shot. One should define the notion of collaboration to discuss it. The same with anti-Semitism. Xx236 (talk) 08:02, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

I rest my case. François Robere (talk) 17:43, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

It seems that Cornell doesn't have any idea about their book Intimate Violence is a novel social-scientific explanation of ethnic violence and the Holocaust. It locates the roots of violence in efforts to maintain Polish and Ukrainian dominance rather than in anti-Semitic hatred or revenge for communism. [3] Please inform them they are dumb. Xx236 (talk) 09:57, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

I assume you read the book? François Robere (talk) 17:44, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

"crimes on Jews were rather criminal" Care to elaborate? Because this seems like a tautology. Dimadick (talk) 15:01, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

I mean that the Jews were victims because they were vulnerable, not because the peasants had some antisemitic ideology. The Jews stole food and caused German repressions. Hungry people kill to preserve their food and terrorised people kill to survive.

N'Dyaie believes that Poles murdered Jews like Hutu murdered Tutsi. It's obvious that mass massacres of Jews and Poles organised by Ukrainian nationalists indoctrined with nationalistic ideology were more similiar to Hutu crimes than crimes committed by small groups of Polish peasants. Some peasants in Poland didn't define themselves as Polish but rather as Locals in the East or Masurians in Galicja. Non-Poles can't be Polish anti-semitic nationalsist. Xx236 (talk) 10:31, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

German-occupied Poland comprised many parts

German-occupied Poland comprised many parts. Every part had its own history. Generally lands annexed to the Reich were different from the Generalgouvernement. The phrase "occupied Poland" falsely suggests some form of integration or autonomy. Xx236 (talk) 09:48, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

"Every branch of the sophisticated German bureaucracy was involved in the killing process." – There were some differences between the annexed parts and the Generalgouvernement. Xx236 (talk) 07:16, 8 April 2019 (UTC)