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"Flash" vs "the Flash", and other reversions

The superhero's name is "the Flash", not "Flash". The only time "Flash" is used without the "the" is when a character is directly addressing him. (Hence the title. They could have named the series Flash, but that's not his name, so they didn't.) Un-reverting my previous edit for this.

I had also deleted a redundant clause in the lead; un-reverting that too.

The "related shows" infobox entry is clearly meant to handle more than one entry, and "Arrowverse" isn't even a show. I don't see the harm in listing the individual shows. At least Arrow and Legends should be there, if not Supergirl, Constantine, and Vixen too.

And how is Zoom not a main character? He's the season 2 main antagonist. Deus vult! Crusadestudent (talk) 04:36, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

The article "the" is not part of the character name. "Arrowverse" is the catch-all for all the show, to specifically not list all of them. Main characters are determined by the producers, not screen time, fan desires, etc. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:40, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The link to the Arrowverse is to compact all of the series, and have one link among the multiple articles, instead of adding links to every page every time a new series is developed. And concerning Zoom, is Teddy Sears credited as main cast in the opening credits? No, and hence, he is not main cast. And the basis of a discussion is to talk about edits and gain a consensus concerning them before reinstating them. Alex|The|Whovian^? 04:42, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Favre1fan93 Please substantiate your claim that "The article "the" is not part of the character name." Common use says otherwise. I concede on Sears and "Arrowverse". Deus vult! Crusadestudent (talk) 04:44, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

As has been discussed ad nauseam at WP:COMICS, articles for characters are not part of the character names. Characters are not "The Flash", "The Joker", "The Riddler", "The Penguin", etc. They are simply, "Flash", "Joker", "Riddler", "Penguin", and if the article is needed outside of starting the sentence, it would be "the Flash", "the Joker", etc. Notice how the article for Barry Allen is Flash (Barry Allen), not The Flash (Barry Allen). Sentence example: Batman frequently goes up against his rogues the Joker, the Riddler and the Penguin, always defeating them. Or: Barry Allen was in a chemical accident that granted him superpowers, becoming the hero the Flash. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:49, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Favre1fan93 WP:COMICS is about page titles, not in-text use. The article stays. Deus vult! Crusadestudent (talk) 04:55, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

No they don't, because WP:COMICS is a Wiki Project for comic-related articles. And through discussions and consensus there regarding grammar articles of character is that they are not part of the character name. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:59, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

See WP:NCC/THE specifically on the matter. That doesn't only get applied to the article title either. It applies to how the characters are referred to in articles as well, as I laid out above. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 05:03, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

WP:NCC/THE says nothing on the matter. It is part of the article on comics ARTICLE naming conventions and does not address in-text use. It would be absurd to argue that it does, esp. when it does not say so. That would be like saying I'm supposed to write "Priesthood (Catholic Church)" every time a priest is mentioned in an article about Catholicism. MOS:COMIC is also silent. And as you laid out above, "if the article is needed outside of starting the sentence, it would be "the Flash", "the Joker", etc." Describing Gustin's role mid-sentence as "Barry Allen / the Flash" makes perfect sense and fits your own description. Would it be "Gustin as Flash" or "Gustin as the Flash".. The second. So that is the form that s/b used uniformly in-text aside from the start of a sentence. Deus vult! Crusadestudent (talk) 05:11, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

The article is not officially part of the name. If it was, then it would never be dropped, and it is frequently dropped. It is used when grammatically it is needed, or to emphasize a point. So, yes it would be "Grant Gustin as the Flash", but it would not be "Grant Gustin as The Flash". If the article was capitalized then you would know that it was officially part of the name.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:46, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

I've never once argued that "The Flash" should be used mid-sentence except as the series' title. Deus vult! Crusadestudent (talk) 16:19, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Saying "Grant Gustin as the Flash" is correct, but for the lead or the character section where you have "Barry Allen" before we even get to the Flash, the "the" is not needed there. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:37, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

When there's a slash, each alternate name should be given as if the other isn't there. Hence "the DC Comics character the Flash" and "the DC Comics character Barry Allen / the Flash". Deus vult! Crusadestudent (talk) 16:19, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Um I just wasted time reading this dumb debate so I just thought why not add my two cents. I think it just depends on if you are intending to use Flash as a noun or adjective... either way "The Flash" is not his name. As mentioned above, you would not say the Flash when speaking to him. If someone said, " The Flash saved me today!" they would intentionally or not be using the word as an adjective. Maybe I am wrong but i really dont care. i dont want to waste any more of my life on the matter. Maybe you should do the same and just agree to disagree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.208.25.65 (talk) 07:28, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your colourful opinion. However, this discussed concluded four months ago; if you decide you want to reopen it, do it in a new discussion. Thank you! Alex|The|Whovian^? 07:30, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

"Harrison Wells" page (?)

Before Season 3 of Flash begins, I'd like to start a discussion about creating a separate "Harrison Wells" page within Wikipedia.

So far, there have been three iterations of this character: the "original" who appeared briefly in the episode "Tricksters" in Season 1, the Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash version of the full season one, and the Earth-2 version of Season 2. Now, with the Season 3 "Flashpoint" arc coming up, this may result in the "original" reappearing for a time and being further fleshed out. Then, afterwards, yet another Wells may spring up from when the timeline is 'corrected'. That makes a potential FOUR versions of this character. Thus, I propose that he be given his own page, outlining and detailing the different versions.

What I am NOT proposing is that other characters from Flash be give their own pages. Those characters are based on comic book characters and rightly have their own section in their related/relevant articles. Nor am I suggesting that all characters created for Flash or others within the Arrowverse be granted a separate page (although John Diggle also bears consideration, at least to me). Harrison/Harry Wells, however, is a special case for the reasons I cited above: this character has at least 3-4 versions that are richly detailed. He should be highlighted on his own page, which makes clear that he is a character created specifically for the Flash series, and not based on any comic book character.

I would have created such a page already myself (and am willing to do so in this case), but I don't want to go to all that effort if it's deemed unnecessary or unwanted.

There may be those who agree with me on this, and I'm sure there are those who will object. What I want to do right now -- before Season 3 gets underway -- is to get the Talk going on this subject and see what the Wiki crowd thinks.

So, let's all run with this, RUN. :)

Ooznoz (talk) 23:44, 1 August 2016 (UTC)Ooznoz

Unless there is enough real world content to satisfy the GNG, and it isn't a page of plot information, I'm not seeing a need for it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:26, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Still, feel free to create a draft over here. Kailash29792 (talk) 11:56, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Katie Cassidy confirmed?

In this recent article, she has been quoted saying, "I will also be—they announced at Comic Con, which I'm safe to say—across all three shows: Flash, Legends, and Arrow, for this next year. So, I'm excited about that". Kailash29792 (talk) 11:56, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

It was never that she wasn't confirmed. We knew her deal included Legends and Flash. It was that she was specifically stated to be 100% appearing, only that she had the ability to. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:19, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

4 Night Crossover Event

Enlighten me. Why is it that the Supergirl wikipedia page allows mention of the crossover event with the other CW shows, when Flash, Arrow, & Legends have no mention of the crossover event with Supergirl? i've been blocked from editing because the admins believe i'm in an edit war with someone, when i'm clearly not. All contributions should be welcomed, not monitored and deleted because someone else thinks i am. i'm just adding information that has been confirmed by multiple sources and media outlets. KrazeyK007 (talk) 02:20, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Please see the multiple discussions at Talk:Arrowverse (both on the page and in the archives), the note in the table at Arrowverse § Crossovers, and the information available at Invasion! (Arrowverse). Thank you. (Also, you have not been blocked, but you are edit-warring by forcing your opinion against the current consensus and after being reverted by multiple editors. Insulting editors you disagree with really won't help your case either.) Alex|The|Whovian^? 02:25, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Grammar fix

In the third paragraph of the series overview, it says "the gang recruit another Wells doppleganger". Shouldn't this be "the gang recruits"? 74.108.224.146 (talk) 19:18, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. Feel free to be bold and make edits on your own. Editors are urged to sign up for their own accounts. See WP:REGISTER for the policy. Thanks for pointing this edit out. Bobdog54 (talk) 22:26, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

I pointed it out here because the page is protected, and frankly, I'm not interested in making an account at this time. Thank you anyway. 74.108.224.146 (talk) 22:00, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2017

I want to change the role of Tom Felton from "Julian Dom" to "Julian Albert" as this is his correct name. Supermoshi10 (talk) 16:34, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: I did not find this anywhere in this article. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 16:51, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Bloating of the Cast and characters section

I see some bloating in the Cast and characters section. By this, I mean unnecessary detail, including unnecessary spoilers, such as Barry being Savitar. I also see that Btpowers91 is one of the editors (or the main editor) who has been bloating the section. He also attempted to repeatedly add the latest death, and was repeatedly reverted by AlexTheWhovian on that. I agree with AlexTheWhovian on this not only because the spoiler is not necessary, but also because that status is likely to change. And for anyone who wants to point to the WP:Spoiler guideline, that guideline is clear that the spoiler should have an encyclopedic purpose, and there have been a number of complaints at the WP:Spoiler talk page about unnecessary spoiling and suggestions to change that guideline to combat this. I don't see why a reader coming to read the section in question needs to know that Barry is Savitar. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 12:38, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

It definitely needs to be trimmed. That's why we have a page devoted to all the characters, where it can be elaborated on there. We don't need all of this here. It becomes redundant and we have enough on this page that it doesn't need the extra info. I think basic character descriptions should suffice for this page.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:07, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

The linked editor is constantly adding trivial and bloating plot details to the cast section that I find myself constantly reverting. I also posted on their talk page some months ago, but to no avail. -- Alex^TW 14:15, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

It definitely seems like Btpowers91 does not plan to stop. If no one beats me to it, I'll give trimming the section a shot. I'll then revert myself and post a link of the trim here to see if editors agree with the trim before making the edit final. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 14:44, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Give it a whirl Flyer. I have an idea as well of how to trim, but would like to see what you're planning, as it might be better. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:53, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

AlexTheWhovian, Bignole and Favre1fan93, I've gone ahead and trimmed the text. I haven't reverted myself like I stated I would above (mainly because of Favre1fan93's encouragement), but anyone is free to revert me. Besides what I stated above, I also don't see why the fact that the actors portray their Earth 2 counterparts was mentioned; it's obvious that it's the same portrayers. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 10:51, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Other here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 10:57, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

The Tom Cavanagh piece -- that he portrays all those different versions of Wells -- seems like something we should keep, though; I mean, those characters tie into the story significantly, such as with Jesse. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 10:59, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't think that we need to retain the following: "Mentoring Barry to get faster, he is eventually revealed to be the Reverse-Flash, Eobard Thawne (Matt Letscher), a descendant of Eddie from the future with a grudge against the Flash. Thawne killed the real Wells and stole his identity." But I won't touch it if you all feel that it should remain. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 11:03, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Oops, sorry that I missed that one. So are there any objections to removing "Mentoring Barry to get faster, he is eventually revealed to be the Reverse-Flash, Eobard Thawne (Matt Letscher), a descendant of Eddie from the future with a grudge against the Flash. Thawne killed the real Wells and stole his identity."? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:56, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I think we should keep that part. To not mention that Harrison Wells is Reverse-Flash (which he played for the entire first season) would be wrong, and makes the article incomplete since we do not mention this fact or who Eobard Thawne is and his hate towards Barry anywhere else in the article. - Brojam (talk) 02:10, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Since there is one objection so far, I won't mess with it. I don't see how it is needed, though. It just seems like unnecessary spoiling to me, which, per WP:Spoiler, I do keep in mind when editing media articles like this one. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:45, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Wait, I do see the validity of keeping it since it notes "Eobard Thawne (Matt Letscher)." This is a different actor, and Reverse-Flash is a significant character. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:53, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:The Flash (season 4)#The Flash Season 4 colour

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:The Flash (season 4)#The Flash Season 4 colour. -- Alex^TW 03:01, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Rick Cosnett

Why is Eddie still listed in the starring actors table? He ded. Like deader than Batman's parents. He hasn't been in the show forever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:E320:3CD:8CCF:798E:8CA4:6A65 (talk) 17:42, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Because the list has all the actors who are or have been credited as starring within the opening credits, regardless of whether they are still on the show.--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 18:01, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Update: So was Tom Felton, and he was removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C0:5C00:43E1:C869:C52D:938B:446D (talk) 08:44, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Since Felton was removed, how about removing Cosnett as well, and add him to the List of Characters page? Aidensdaddy2k9 (talk) 12:18, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

All starring characters are required to be listed on this article. -- Alex^TW 13:00, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Does that mean that Felton wasn't considered starring then, as previously mentioned? Aidensdaddy2k9 (talk) 01:45, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Critical Reception for The Flash

Please update the Season 4 rotten tomatoes rating for The Flash. It's listed at 88% based on 16 reviews. Please fix this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.197.170 (talk) 09:29, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Pull Trigger Now?

I know this is going to sound like "Well my friend's mom lets him stay up so why can't I?", but I noticed The Resident already has its cast formation for next season already set up and visible. Granted, the cast listing format is very different from what the Arrowverse shows have, but I was wondering if we could pull the trigger now and unhide the bios of the new regulars of the respective new seasons--Harmony944 (talk, Twitter) 20:43, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion going on at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television#When to add to infobox? about just this. - Brojam (talk) 20:55, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Cast status designations

Again, I'm not seeing how denoting when a promoted or demoted role held each designation is unnecessary. In fact, it's a common practice across Wikipedia, not just in the Arrowverse but I'm seeing it on The Resident and Lost in Space. I don't know why Brojam thought it was okay to remove it on here and on Legends of Tomorrow. He didn't have consensus. He didn't bring it up on any talkpage--Harmony944 (talk, Twitter) 16:15, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

You boldly added the changes here and I reverted you, per WP:BRD and WP:STATUSQUO. It is up to you to get a consensus to add it. Also it's not common practice; there are multiple series that don't have these designations like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Smallville, Daredevil, etc. We have not added these for years on this article, yet you want to add them after an editor adds them to the Legends article a few days ago. - Brojam (talk) 03:23, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Tom Felton is a main cast member who is credited as special appearance. In the same way Matt Ryan is credited on Legends of Tomorrow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.98.183.174 (talk) 15:34, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Please cite a reliable source stating that. DonQuixote (talk) 16:44, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Reliable sources have been added in the past. Here are just two: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tom-felton-joins-flash-season-907765 and https://deadline.com/2017/07/the-flash-tom-felton-wont-return-series-regular-season-4-1202135995/

https://tvline.com/2016/06/30/the-flash-tom-felton-season-3-cast-julian-dorn-csi/ and another announcing his series regular status.

@Harmony944: That's because The Resident and Lost in Space do not have a separate article for it's characters. The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Smallville, Daredevil (as Brojam mentioned above) all have separate articles for their characters. — YoungForever^(talk) 16:47, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Cite errors

I noticed at the bottom of the page there's a long list of cite errors such as "Cite error: A list-defined reference named "S1DVDUK" is not used in the content (see the help page)." I've never seen this before and have no idea how to fix something like that. It would be helpful if the error indicated what was causing the error on the page as at first glance there's nothing. Is it a template error or some weird Wikipedia code thing?. Esuka (talk) 19:22, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

 Fixed. It was simply refs that were defined (at the bottom of the page) but never used in the article. - Brojam (talk) 19:29, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

can some1 edit ratings table

the flash has always aired at the same time on tues at 2000 so the column seems superfluous as it can be put in the text with a short sentence. if you dont ever view page on mobile devices you wont care, but saving that room is important for mobile devices. can some1 edit out that column? ive looked to do it myself but cant figure out how. thx ToeFungii (talk) 15:26, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

2019 People's Choice Awards nomination

It says that that the result from the 2019 people's choice awards is still pending but it's not the Flash didn't win. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.35.197 (talk) 20:16, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done - Brojam (talk) 21:24, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

"Special appearance" means "main cast member"

Or does it? Because at Legends of Tomorrow, Matt Ryan is considered part of the main cast (and appearing in every episode of season 4) despite the special appearance credit. And he is still considered so for season 5. What makes Tom Felton, who was announced as a regular for Flash season 3, different? It was announced that he would not be returning as a regular for season 4, but he can only return as something he was, right Brojam? --Kailash29792 (talk) 16:43, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Well unlike Matt Ryan, Tom Felton did not appear or get credited in every episode of season 3 of The Flash. Similar to how John Barrowman (Arrow season 5) and Neal McDonough (Arrow season 4 and 5) are not considered main cast members, despite getting the "special appearance by" in the credits as well. McDonough appeared in one episode of Arrow's fifth season with this "special appearance" credit; that does not make him a main cast member for that season. - Brojam (talk) 01:22, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

I've shared my view and I'm not gonna counter yours, now you speak up Dannybaby1234. --Kailash29792 (talk) 03:58, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Tom Felton gets credited for every episode that he appears in, JUST like Matt Ryan. And John Barrowman get's credited as he is a former main cast member. Plus Neal was announced to play a regular https://www.thewrap.com/neal-mcdonough-joins-arrow-season-4-as-series-regular/ he just wasn't credited as such. We can keep going over this but nobody is clearly going to listen to reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.4.115.223 (talk) 00:31, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Anything to add anyone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dannybaby1234 (talk • contribs) 16:46, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2021

I have been on here since feb 1st and i havd 10 edits Theflash211 (talk) 18:31, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

To editor Theflash211:  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DigitalChutney (talk) 19:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2021

Cast: Eva Mcculoch is Mirror Monarch, not Master. 190.89.167.143 (talk) 20:50, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done: Fixed. — YoungForever^(talk) 21:15, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2021

The date of the last aired date of flash season 7 is wrong. It says 20th july 2021. Please correct it. 2402:3A80:E1D:4512:F42A:75EC:BCD:57CD (talk) 12:53, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:41, 28 June 2021 (UTC)