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Missing parts[edit]

I remeber included in this book or in a book with a similar name the stories of "Farmer giles of ham" and another short story. The other one is about a man who awaits someone/thing and then goes on a journey to a train station or a house where he just calms down from life and then goes on into the mountains. The entire story gives an impression of moving on after death. anyone remembers these two? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.139.226.34 (talk) 01:31, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You read Tales from the Perilous Realm, which included The Adventures of Tom Bombadil, Farmer Giles of Ham, Leaf By Niggle (which you reffered to) and Smith of Wooton Major. This book doesn't have a wiki page and in it's place is a newer similar publication but with an extra story or two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.20.67 (talk) 19:08, 14 September 2009

Or even earlier in the Tolkien Reader, which included Bombadil, Leaf, and Farmer Giles. The first edition of Perilous Realm had those three plus Smith, and subsequent editions added Roverandom. But these are not missing parts of Bombadil; they are separate works. (Tales from the Perilous Realm now has its own article, btw.) -- Elphion (talk) 20:10, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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But I just wanted to point out that the article says two of the poems are also in LOTR, whereas it should say three (as indeed the list of poems correctly indicates). 91.107.144.149 (talk) 21:19, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you mean by "as indeed the list of poems correctly indicates". In fact, only the first two poems involve Bombadil. -- Elphion (talk) 20:12, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tom in "The Stone Troll"[edit]

I don't know of any reason to think that Tom in "The Stone Troll" is Bombadil. He has an uncle named Tim, whereas Bombadil probably doesn't have any uncles. He kicks the troll, whereas Tom would sing. If I had to guess, I'd say it's more likely that Sam Gamgee wrote the poem before hearing of Bombadil and picked the name to tease his friend Tom Cotton. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 14:25, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I've removed the connection between Stone Troll and Bombadil. -- Elphion (talk) 19:59, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Followed by[edit]

We have something of a problem with the "followed by" parameter in the template:infobox book box. The documentation for the template says that this should be the next book (presumably in the narrative sense of the story) in the series of the current work. In the narrative of Middle-earth, arguably TAoTB comes last, although a case could be made for some of the stories in The History of Middle-earth Volumn XII. In the followed by parameter various editors have listed The Father Christmas Letters, The Road Goes Ever On, and Tree and Leaf (the next book actually published by Tolkien). My guess is that in the sense of the template none of these is correct, and that we should just leave it blank. More generally, we need to come to a common agreement as to what order the M-e books should be linked in these parameters. -- Elphion (talk) 19:53, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Added: The Narnia book articles have been using these to order the books by publication date, which scholars suggest is the right order to read them in, and in some sense the narrative order, even though two of the books are out of the chronological order of the events they describe. I think that's the correct solution there; it's not as clear here. -- Elphion (talk) 19:57, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge all articles on individual poems here[edit]

I think few if any individual poems from this collection are notable enough to warrant a stand-alone article, but they all could be redirects and each can have a section here. Thoughts? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:09, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I wonder. "The Sea-Bell" ("Frodo's Dreme") is an important work which has received substantial scholarly attention: I have added multiple scholarly sources and discussion of the poem, sufficient I hope to put its position beyond doubt.

I've taken a look at "Errantry", and it too is discussed by numerous scholars; again, I've extended and cited the article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:49, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Purely out of curiosity, I've looked at "The Man in the Moon Stayed Up Too Late", and even there, there is a fascinating history and mythology, who could have guessed it. Much the same goes for "Fastitocalon". One really can't take a scrappy-looking article as meaning that a subject is non-notable, as there may be rich sources out there to be mined, especially when a medievalist genius like Tolkien is involved. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:02, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, as there has been not movement on this for a month now, and all the articles involved are now improved and fully-sourced, I suggest we assume the proposal has expired. The articles are, together, more than detailed enough to make a merger unwieldy. I'll remove the tags now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:51, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]