Talk:Super Sentai/Archive 2

the "non-super" sentai shows

The article in its current form seems to encompass all sentai shows, whether they have a giant robot (super) or not. Does that make this article misnamed, or should the mentioning of the non-super shows be removed except where discussion of the history of the super sentai shows involve the non-super shows?

Blah, nevermind, it's just a particular sentence that created a contradiction. i'm gonna rewrite that sentence to remove the contradiction.

I assume you are referring to Goranger, JAKQ, Battle Fever J, Bioman, and Flashman (which mostly omit "Sentai" from the name, or lack a robot). Anything listed under the "Series" heading are Super Sentai as of 2000 (Goranger and JAKQ fall under this, as they were considered among the 25 Super Sentai when GaoRanger vs. Super Sentai was filmed, and are part of the 30 Sentai Encyclopedia in Boukenger). Ryūlóng 19:37, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Not that it's pertinent, but who's referred to Battle Fever J, Bioman, and Flashman as NOT being Super Sentai? JPG-GR 07:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, cause I had no idea wtf he was talking about.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 07:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Next year's show

I can see that there has been some information released on what is being called "Jyuuken Sentai Gekiranger", however it is best that we wait for more concrete information, than making a page for it, and then putting it in the main article. —Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

That picture is official, we get them every year. Those type of pictures though, they're only to show basic stuff, ranger numbers, if they'll be part of an organization or not, stuff like that. This on the other hand should be concrete enough. It's the copyright registration page taken from the Japanese Copyright Officies. Yaguruma 13:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I still do not think that we should put things like "Oh, there are going to be three rangers, and then two, and then another one, and they're these colors" until we get more concrete evidence. I understand that those things are released, but Wikipedia needs reliable sources other than something that could be the copyright registration page. Do we really know where that came from, other than DiscoInferno at RB?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and I will let Jyuuken Sentai Gekiranger stay for now, however, once it gets to be anything that is extremely speculative, such as listing character names until I've seen a scan that blatantly mentions them at RB or JA or FB, the article will be expunged.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 04:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Manga series

Im sure that Green Eagle is an oficial warrior.

Content dispute

User:Jgp and an anonymous contributer, Special:Contributions/200.104.77.12 had a little fight over this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Super_Sentai&diff=93409899&oldid=93346149 I would like it if someone besides these two could decide if it merits inclusion. I don't know this subject at all, I just want to see a content dispute handled neutrally on the talk page, not through a more uncivil exchange. --Dgies 04:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I saw this, and I agree that it needs a bit more discussion. I do know that Battle Cossack's suit was colored orange, but in the original table on the Japanese article, he is treated as a yellow warrior.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 04:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Korean series

While it does look strange, when the Koreans dubbed Mahou Sentai Magiranger they called it Power Rangers: Magic Force, not Power Rangers: Mystic Force. If you need proof, click the reference link and then you'll see the Korean site, where they sing "GO FIGHT POW, POW, POWER RANGERS..." and the logo says "Magic Force", not "Mystic Force."—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Mario

Image

I do not support Ryulong removing the image refrencing Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, because it does not reflect consensus. The section does not even have one image. It could use at least one, to show a refrence. Taric25 23:26, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Well except your picture doesn't have have a good view of the Axem Rangers due to the SNES's graphics and it is hard to see their faces which is why I will support Ryulong's descision to have that picture removed. -Adv193 22:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

The image was merely decorative and was not that important to the article. The section should really only contain explicit references, which the Axem Rangers are, but we need to avoid making the section appear too trivial. A similar section was removed completely from the Power Rangers article because of that reason. The mentions that are in the article now really do not need an image to say "Oh, look, this is what this random reference looks like." While the Axem Rangers do exist, that video game screenshot is not being critiqued, and frankly, the re-ordering of the section to favor the image is completely unnecessary. The ordering is done as chronologically as I can from what the section originally looked like before turning it into what it is today.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

We should have at least one image to show an explicit reference, which, like Ryūlóng said, the Axem Rangers age. I had no idea that the references are organized chronologically, so I understand why you were upset by my reorganization for flow. I simply did so for that sole purpose. I do like the way they are bulleted now. By the way, they are the Axem Rangers, not the Axemrangers. In either case, the reason I chose the screenshot from atop Barrel Volcano, rather than in battle, is because it showed a different perspective. The battle screenshots are up close, and they do show their faces, but they're really cliché, since you see battle screenshots everywhere. The section really does need an image, because we should show how other works depict Super Sentai. Even so, I do agree with Adv193 that we should have a screenshot that at least shows more detail, however, Blade is a refrence to their mecha or zords, since its this huge thing they pilot. You could even make the argument that Exor (the huge sword that crashes into Bowser's Keep) is a mecha, so which you rather see?

• A screenshot of the Axem Rangers next to Blade (the same screenhot, but their huge mecha looms over Barrel Volcano, showing how small the Axem Rangers are compared to their mecha) or
• A detailed screenshot of the Axem Rangers in battle. I could even have the their overhead textbox, "WE ARE THE AXEM RANGERS!!" in their battle stances (very typical of Super Sentai). Taric25 15:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

We do not need any sort of visual reference. The list is just fine, as anything outside of the list would be decorative, which is against WP:FU.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

It's fine for fair use at the article for the video game. It is not for this article, or Power Rangers—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I have read the fair use criteria to see why we can use the image in the articles, and also looked at {{game-screenshot}} including, but not limited to, the "identification and critical commentary", resulting in the verbose fair use rationalle listed in the image description page. Besides, if you believe the image is not fair use, then instead of deleting the image, you should add {{rfu-c}} to the image caption and {{Replaceable fair use}} to the image description page as well as and follow the template's instructions to dispute it's fair use, not delete the image from the article. My point is not to call for fair use every time you find the need to revert an image. It seems to be a bit on the side of wikilawyering, because if the image was public domain, you would have still removed it.

If you feel the image is decorative, then it is your responsibility to ensure that your revision reflects consensus. If it does not, then we must think of a reasonable change to integrate our ideas with each other to find a reasonable (if temporary) compromise.

Therefore, before we dive into an edit war, can we please get Adv193's input? Adv193 was the one who first requested the image replaced with a better one, which is exactly what I did. In the mean time, I'll add the citations only. Is that ok? Taric25 22:40, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

"If the image was public domain, you would have still removed it." is assuming a hell of a lot of bad faith. I am not removing the image because I don't like it. I'm removing it because it does not add to the article and it is a fair use image. Images in the public domain would have been a hell of a lot better, though, because they don't require critical commentary.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I did not mean to assume bad faith, so I apologize for the way I came off. What I mean to show is the image does qualify for fair use, and if you dispute the fair use, then you should add {{rfu-c}} to the image caption and {{Replaceable fair use}} to the image description page, rather than delete the image.

Be that as it may, suppose Square released that screenshot to the public domain or other free licence (i.e. copyleft, GNU, etc.), you would have have removed it. My statement is rethorical, because whether of not it is fair use has nothing to do with whether the image is decorative or if it adds to the quality of the article. In either case, the image does pass Wikipedia's first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a free image does not exist that adequately provides the same information, because no fair use image of the Axem Rangers exists.

If you do believe the image neither serves any purpose other than being decorative nor adds to the quality of the article, then ok, but it's still your responsibility to ensure that your revision reflects consensus. If it doesn't, then we must think of a reasonable change to integrate our ideas with each other to find a reasonable (if temporary) compromise.

Thus, can we please get Adv193's input? Thanks. Taric25 23:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

If he shows up. What I feel is that the image is not being critically commented on in this article, which is what the fair use images of game screenshots are. Fair use images cannot be used merely for decoration; they have to contribute to the article. If Square Enix released that in the free domain, then decoration is not an issue at all.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

From Smithy Gang

The Axem Rangers (カジオー戦隊オノレンジャー, Kajiō Sentai Onorenjā, literally "Smithy Squadron Axerangers"), a group of five elite soldiers who all have spikes on their heads and use matching–color axes (オノ, ono, 斧 literally "axe"), reference the television programs' Sentai and Mecha of Super Sentai in Japan and Power Rangers and Zords of Power Rangers in western countries. Their team title imitates the naming scheme for Super Sentai (スーパー戦隊, Sūpā Sentai, literally "Super Squadron") character teams. They are not technically lieutenants, but their powerful fighting skills elevate them above other soldiers. They also possess an enormous, powerful Zord (メカ, Meka, 機械 literally "Mecha"), the Blade. The Axem Rangers appear in Barrel Volcano in order to steal the Star Piece the Czar Dragon guards. After Mario chases them, they confront onboard the Blade. Despite their power, Mario's party soon defeates them, and thus, they are forced to use the Blade's "Breaker Beam", refrencing the Power Rangers' "Power Blaster".

If you still disagree, you must add the correct template and follow its instructions for disputing replaceable fair use on the image description page by discussing it on its talk page. In addition, you must add the correct template to the thumbnail's caption.

Fair use aside, the image isn't decoration because it makes a critical comment relating the game character's to Super Sentai & Power Rangers by illustrating important characters that shows how they look, per WP:IDP, and the new image has a good view of the Axem Rangers and it is easy to see their faces, however, before I add the image again, I'll wait a reasonable amount of time for Adv193's input. Taric25 23:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

The critical commentary would appear in the text of the article. Right now, we do not need a sentence to describe each and every parody, homage, etc. We had a section like that, but it was cut down dramatically. The image would not qualify for fair use on this article. The only place it would is at the game's article and if you made an article about the Axem Rangers.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:35, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

If you believe the image is not fair use, then you must dispute it, adding the correct template and following its instructions for disputing replaceable fair use on the image description page by discussing it on its talk page. In addition, you must add the correct template to the thumbnail's caption. An admin, not you— an admin will decide to keep or delete the image. Period. Taric25 21:43, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I am an admin (I would not delete the image out of process, though). However, I really don't think the image is useful in articles that are not about the video game. This (and at Power Rangers) we don't need any more fair use images to describe something that is only slightly related to the article. That, and it is giving weight to the Axem Ranger parody, when other parodies such as Shinesman and France Five are complete references to the series, yet we do not have citations for them. What it appears to me, is that we are adding a quote for no real reason. A larger description of the Axem Rangers with image is good for Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. It is not, however, of use here.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:04, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

When I said "an admin", I was refering to a neutral (— neutral as reasonably and practically possible —) third person. I believe it's obvious that if you we the deciding admin on your own dispute of the image's fair use it would be a conflict of interest, so I was not was not even suggesting that you being an admin or not would have anything to do with it. Even so, I apologize if I came off that way.

The statement "giving weight to the Axem Ranger parody, when other parodies such as Shinesman and France Five are complete references to the series" is a solid argument. If you believe that an image of the Axem Rangers in the Super Sentai or Power Rangers articles would give undue weight and thus distort their comparative amount of impact and/or reference, ok. That is a valid point. I believe we should move our focus on the Axem Rangers' value in the article rather than dispute the fair use. Taric25 02:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

On that note, I really believe that any of the parodies mentions in this article should be minimum to avoid being trivia sections. The section was gutted from this.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

After further consideration, I do not believe that an image of the Axem Rangers in the Super Sentai or Power Rangers articles would give undue weight and thus distort their comparative amount of impact and/or reference, and I have asked Adv193 for help. Taric25 18:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

(Unindent)However I also agree with Ryulongs judgement and I have to say that either you should just give up on the image or you can find a place for it on the Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars page or subpage. -Adv193 20:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Point noted, and the image in question is in the article Smithy Gang. I am aware that you said that it "doesn't have have a good view of the Axem Rangers due to the SNES's graphics and it is hard to see their faces". Have you seen the new image?

In addition, Ryulong argues the image would be "giving weight to the Axem Ranger parody, when other parodies such as Shinesman and France Five are complete references to the series". Agree/Disagree? Do you believe we should have at least one image to add to the quality of the article, such as this? Taric25 20:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

That image that you reference would ultimately be better for the article on France Five, but we have a (supposedly) free graphic that was used on the French article. The amount of images here is already a good amount. If you want, there is an image on the commons of Goranger that could theoretically be used.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The Goranger image is cool, but I'm not sure if we can use it in Homages and parodies in popular culture, because it seems more suitable for Series overview. Image:France five.png looks like a good choice. Agree/Disagree? Taric25 06:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I really don't think it's necessary to put any more images onto this article. We don't need one specifically for the parody section or any section for that matter.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Citation

I do not support Ryulong removing the citiation refrencing the Axem Rangers, because it does not "argue for deletion on the basis of actual policies and/or guidelines rather than use a somewhat subjective shorthand" "cruft" per WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Taric25 23:26, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Please provide an argument for deletion of the citation on the basis of actual policies and/or guidelines rather than "no real reason." Taric25 02:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I removed the quote. The citation attributes to a reliable source per Wikipedia:Attribution. Taric25 08:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I've mentioned why I feel that all of this is unnecessary on your talk page. WP:ATT is not an issue here. It's fancruft—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Per WP:IDONTLIKEIT, "Wikipedia:Fancruft and Wikipedia:Listcruft are only essays and so have no weight when it comes to deletion". Taric25 08:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not that I don't like it. It's just that it has no bearing on the encyclopedic value of this page to source something to a game.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 19:12, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Per WP:A, "All material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source." Taric25 00:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Then put it in the article on the game.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

There is no citation necessary for lists, and the citation does not need to exist within a simple name reference.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Please provide an argument for deletion of the citation on the basis of actual policies and/or guidelines rather than "oh come on; lay off of it already". In addition, the article Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars makes no mention of the Axem Rangers. (Other than the story, which is currently overly long.) (The Axem Rangers are a stub of a separate article.) Even so, whether or not the article has the reference or not relevant. Per WP:REF,

sources should be cited

• To ensure that the content of articles is credible and can be checked by any reader or editor.
• To help users find additional reliable information on the topic.
• To improve the overall credibility and authoritative character of Wikipedia.

Taric25 06:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Then make a mention there. There is absolutely no need to have a single reference to a video game just to have it. You don't need to source everything. I'm getting really tired of having to say this to you over and over again: It is extremely unnecessary to have anything more than a passing mention of the Axemrangers in this article. A source referring to the Axemrangers is perfect in its own article, but not when it's part of this list. Please just stop adding it.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

And honestly, this is getting into WP:LAME's subject area, and I don't need anything that I'm working on at WP:LAME—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Again, the citation is perfectly useful when it's used to support something more than five words, like it's being done (more or less) here—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I cannot make a mention in the article Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, because it would not reflect consensus. Our consensus was to keep the reference and move it to the article Smithy Gang (where you just found it). Again, like, Wikipedia:Fancruft and Wikipedia:Listcruft, Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars is not an actual policy and/or guideline, so please provide an argument for deletion of the citation on the basis of actual policies and/or guidelines rather than "It's UNNECESSARY to source something just for the sake of sourcing it." I do not cite it for the sake of citing it. As I said, I cite it to ensure that the content of articles is credible and can be checked by any reader or editor, help users find additional reliable information on the topic, and improve the overall credibility and authoritative character of Wikipedia. In addtition, "removing several series that are not supported by the articles" is not an argument for deletion of the citation on the basis of actual policies and/or guidelines. Per WP:ATT/FAQ (which I understand is a still proposed Wikipedia policy, guideline, or process, until WT:ATTCD reaches consensus),

Wikis, including Wikipedia and other wikis sponsored by the Wikimedia Foundation are not regarded as reliable sources.

Thus, an article supporting another article is not a relaiable source. A well-known, professional reference within its field of expertise, such as the game itself, is a relaiable source. Lastly, the citation is even useful when it's used to support something less than five words, even in a list. For example, Telecommunications Relay Service#TTY to Voice/Voice to TTY cites

In this call type, typed messages are relayed as voice messages by a TRS operator (OPR) (also known as Communication Assistant (CA), Relay Operator (RO), or Relay Assistant (RA)), and vice-versa.

The list of terms for TRS Operator, Communication Assistant, Relay Operator, and Relay Assistant, are each less than two (2) words, and they are all cited. Taric25 18:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

(Unindent) The only reason you have editted this article was to put focus on the Axem Rangers. And in your most recent edit, in which I had gutted the section, again, and used characters that would only be supported by secondary articles on this website, you undid that entire change and added {{fact}} to each and every mention and then added the citation back. I get it, you like Super Mario RPG. I just don't think that it's at any at all important to the encyclopedic value of this article as much as it would be in the encyclopedic value on an article about (or containing) more indepth information concerning the characters. Here, it is only a minimal mention, that is supported by the other section which I have linked to. The section itself is so trivial that it would probably be necessary to reference a critical commentary on the characters (in either Japanese or English) rather than a reference to show that they do exist within the game/television show/etc. I will find citations for the ones discussed at length, though, such as one for Gainax. France Five's website is down, so I can't source the Akira Kushida thing, yet :(—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

The video game SMRPG is not a good source. You're basically saying "play the effing game". - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

First of all, please keep a cool head. There is no reason to curse, even by using faux curse, "effing". Second of all, videogame citations are used all the time, even in featured articles such as Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VII. (I realize that those are articles about the games themselves. I'm refering to the {{cite video game}} template.) I am using the citation to show the game's title, developer, publisher, release date, platform, in which level/area the event happened, and language. That is just like citing a book and showing the title, publisher, page number, etc. in order to let any user verify the information contained in the article. For example, if I read something surprising or apparently important, then a citation showing where the wikipedian(s) who wrote it got the information would be very useful. A citation is not an endorsement of the work cited. A citation attributes information to a reliable, published source. Taric25 04:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't swear, it's a figure of speech. I'm sorry if I offended you. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

No worries. Taric25 04:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I used the Wayback Machine along with the archiveurl class to fix the France Five references. Also, can someone please translate "フランスファイブを見た串田氏のほうから、主題歌を歌ってみたい！との友情にとんだ申し出があり、氏みずからフランスファイブのために曲を作詞・作曲してくださった。" Taric25 04:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Let's see… What I can gather is that it essentially says that France Five (フランスファイブ, Furansu Faibu) was watched (見た, mita) by Kushida (串田, Kushida), and wanted to sing its theme song (主題歌, shudaika). And the request was honored and he wrote a new song for France Five.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

On Ryoske's talk page, Ryoske writes

I'm not sure how to translate this exactly, but it says that Kushida himself wrote the music and lyrics for France Five upon request.

Taric25 06:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, my half-translation comes from sticking that into Google Translator and interpretting the results.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Prepare for controversey: BattleCossack's not Yellow.

Yes you heard me correctly. I have just the image to at least back this wild claim up. I have recently come across an image that although I don't know if it's official, it looks too professional to be photoshoped by a fan. It has the Super Sentai Senshi broken up by different colors and in the yellow section, BattleCossack's nowhere to be found. He can however be found among other colored senshi. I implore people, especially Ryulong to check it out and at least see my point of view. If someone can verify the validity of the image, can I make the changes necissary to reflect this new information. I would also ask that the Japanese article be changed too pending validation. I hope to get a responce to this quickly. Thank you. スミス ナサニアル 03:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

This is the image in question.

Battle Cossack is considered a Yellow Warrior. This is based off of the table at the Japanese version of the article, ja:スーパー戦隊シリーズ#戦隊別　色一覧表. The third column is yellow (黄, ki), and there is a mark there for a Yellow Warrior in Battle Fever J. That image does, in fact, depict him as "Other" (he's grouped with Big One and the Gouraigers who do not really fall into any other category). I was at one point going to use that image as a reference, but the "Other" and "Metal" (MegaSilver, GaoSilver, MagiShine, BoukenSilver) designations are fairly arbitrary.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

That image also does not include characters such as MagiMother, Wolzard Fire, DekaMaster, DekaSwan, DekaBright, DekaGold, X1-Mask, and... Well that's about it.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

As long as someone could at least see my point of view, I will guess I have to live with BattleCossack being an Orange-colored Ki no Senshi. Thanks for responding so quickly. スミス ナサニアル 04:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, we could impliment the changes. I'm just too lazy to do it right now :P—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 04:18, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I could do it if that is the final disicion. Just either say "Yes" or "No" and I'll preform the appropriate change.スミス ナサニアル 22:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Dark Red

I think we should add Dark Red as a color for the color code. If gold has two rangers there have been two dark red rangers. The dark red ranger in Timeranger and the dark red ranger in hurricaranger.

TimeFire is considered Red (did not have a dark red suit) and the Kabutoraiger is considered "Other."—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Who is this?

I know absolutely nothing about this show except that it seems Power Rangers was somehow adapted from this show but for American audiences. Anyway, I was wondering, in this picture what is the name of the character in the white suit with the partial-rainbow in a triangle shape on his chest and helmet? If you wouldn't mind replying on my talk page, because I might lose the link to this page somehow, that would be great. Even if it's just like "I answered your question on Talk:Super_Sentai", ya know? Anyway, I'll try to not lose this link, but I asked just incase you would be willing to. Thank you. Bsroiaadn 20:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

His name is Big One. Super Sentai has been running for 15 seasons prior to the first season PR adapted; our season 15 (Power Rangers: Operation Overdrive) was adapted from their season 30 (GoGo Sentai Boukenger). Big One came from Sentai's second season, J.A.K.Q. Dengekitai, which aired in 1977. He was basically a "sixth" style additional Ranger, and the very first example of the add-on Ranger formula, although he was #5 there; that season started with only four heroes. The pic you linked was a teamup with multiple heroes from previous seasons; it's where the idea for the US episode Forever Red came from. He showed back up for the ep. Arrow 20:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

D:—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Haha. Thank you both very much. :-) Bsroiaadn 20:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Purple/Violet

When GekiViolet appears on the series, as opposed to just the toy, will Purple/Violet be added to the Color Chart, or will the note about him just be there, as Gold only has one entry as well, and you can't quite classify purple in any of the others =P Myzou 07:38, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm planning at one point going with a modified version of an image linked higher up that lumps together MegaSilver, GaoSilver, and MagiShine as "Metallic Colored" and creating a column for "Other" that includes the Gouraiger, Big One, and GekiViolet.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:45, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

other sentai theme?

should we include a section on all the super sentai theme that are origianlly planed but not used (dynaman being a baseball-themed sentai)? I remember there is more... Ragnaroknike 15:12, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Unless you can find a source for that information, then no.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Super Sentai 2008 Confirmed

Okay, here is the skivvy, over on RangerBoard, Dukemon22 has just released a screen cap of the website that describes the copyright on the name "Enjin Sentai Gouonger." Image can be found here.

Now, I tried to type in the address that was shown but I got an error. I was wondering is this confirmed according to Wikipedia standards or do we need more? Also, if it is proof enough for Wikipedia, can I start the article? Of course, it can be structured similar to PR's Jungle Fury page as it was when we got the copyright notice from Disney. Also, I'll be sure to Protect it as it will be targeted for fan speculation and vandalism? So what do you think Ryulong? Am I as greenlit as Gouonger? スミス ナサニアル 03:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, we know the copyright exists, however, all that the article will say is "Enjin Sentai Gōonger (炎神戦隊ゴーオンジャー, Enjin Sentai Gōonjā, Flame-God Task Force Gōonger) is the title of the thirty-second Super Sentai series" but there are no references, as I cannot type in the URL in that image and get that page. Until there's something more definitive, we can't have an article that would stay.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 04:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm cool with that. Thanks as always for responding.スミス ナサニアル 05:12, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

If anyone could actually get to that webpage, then we could have a stub up, but I've asked four people and they cannot get to the page, either.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

There is a picture going on about this Enjin Sentai Gouonger here. But i think it is fake... Ragnaroknike 05:00, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a Thai work.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Show aired in <--Countries ABC-->

Should you really include this info of each Sentai? I was under the impression that most of Southeast Asia and East Asia, part of Europe and South America have seen most of the series. Kinda weird to single out each like "This show aired in Peru." "This show aired in Brazil and France."Suredeath (talk) 15:51, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

That is entirely unnecessary. It was simply an artifact from before the mass reformat of this article.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:19, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Rio and Mele

I was wondering if Rio (black) and Mele (green) counted as sentai heroes. Instead of villains, it feels like they are being treated as a kind of opposite sentai team in Gekiranger. They have joined sides with Gekiranger many times. I was wondering if they should be added to the chart. 71.181.61.96 (talk) 05:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC) Fantasy Leader

what dat means?

in the first episode of goranger, before the opening, there is some text. what do the text means? could someone translate it? Ragnaroknike (talk) 13:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Without knowing what you are referring to, it is impossible to answer your question.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but what i mean is this. This appears when i watch goranger episode 1 on veoh so im trying to find out what it means. Ragnaroknike (talk) 04:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

It means, "For you, make your room brighter, back away from the television, and watch." Where'd you see the first episode of Goranger anyway? 71.181.76.56 (talk) 03:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC) Fantasy Leader

sentai-like show

should we have a list of all the sentai-like show? (before and after goranger) Ragnaroknike (talk) 05:07, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

What would be on this list?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Hm, Aikoku Sentai Dai-Nippon, Tokumu Sentai Shainsuman and other show with a theme like sentai that can fit into the series? Ragnaroknike (talk) 15:06, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

These are already mentioned.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

what about Mechander Robo, Baldios etc, and all those sentai-related show? I'm sure there is more... Ragnaroknike (talk) 10:47, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

The new "Violet" column on the colors chart

Why do Dekaranger and Magiranger have check marks in that column? Wouldn't it be more sensible to just count GekiViolet as "other" instead of making a whole new column for which there is currently only one character fitting the criteria? Ah, someone fixed the Deka/Magi thing. But still, one column for one character seems silly to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.205.176 (talk) 20:50, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

It was an error in adding the column. Both were meant for DekaBreak and MagiMother, but I did not catch the error until today. The rationale for the addition is because he was designated with a color, like the Silver warriors have. If he had the same color but had a name like GekiChopper's, then he'd likely be in "other". Compare to the Gouraigers in Hurricaneger. They were a darker red and blue, but they had different names than the original core team. GekiViolet does not share this same situation. That and the table from which this was based on the Japanese Wikipedia included a column for him.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:58, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

That logic is almost contrived, to say the least. If this was worked all about the name/name pattern, you'd have to uncheck various slots (Dekabreak's for example) or open a column for orange just to add Battle Cosack and DekaSwan (noting that Battle Cosack follows his team's name pattern). There have been more orange than violet heroes, and you don't see a column for those (not that two were enough to need a separate column). The footnote is more than enough.
On a different note, shouldn't DekaGold be marked as Metal? I can understand Bright and Swan in the Other category, but Gold definitely goes along all other Golds.--201.236.126.231 (talk) 03:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Battle Cossack, in the scan mentioned earlier on this page, is listed amongst heroes without definite color designations. Characters such as DekaBreak were listed within color designations (one-offs like DekaBright, DekaSwan, and DekaGold were not included on this chart). This is why they are designated in the footnote to the chart.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Dekagold is obviously a gold ranger. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.236.137.239 (talk) 23:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

we should delete all monsters section in super sentai because it is unfair that in sentai they have the section but in power rangers they got deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rangergod (talk • contribs) 20:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

The 2009 Sentai series

I heard that next year's show will be called Samurai Sentai Shinkenger I think a page about Shinkenger should be made its theme is Samurai themed. Ryulong I hope you can make this page since the title and theme is confirmed. Red Polar Bear Ranger 01:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

No official confirmation. Once it appears clearly in one of the Japanese magazines, it is then confirmed. That's why Kamen Rider Decade is up.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Shinkenger

Arsenal Info gathered and the title is confirmed! The Shinkengers' arsenal revolves on "Hidden Disks".

• Samurai Sentai Shinkenger and series storyline
• The Shinkengers
• Hidden DiskBuckle and Hidden Saiseiken Shinkenmaru: The Diskbuckle holds the Hidden Disks. The Shinkenmaru are the common team weapons that use the Hidden Disks
• Henshin Cellphone Shodou-Phone (変身携帯ショドウ フォン, Henshin Keitai Shodōfon), "WaterBow", "WoodSpear", and red's weapon: The Henshin phone's name a pun on Shodou

The mecha are Orikami, the five main ones are normally in "Emblem Form" held by their repective Shikenger until summoned. ShishiOrikami (red), RyuuOrikami (blue), KumaOrikami (green), SaruOrikami (yellow), and KameOrikami (pink) can "Samurai Combine" into Samurai Gattai ShinkenOh (侍戦合体シンケンオー, Samurai Gattai Shinken'ō). The three extra Orikami (KabutoOrikami, KajikiOrikami, and ToraOrikami) can either power-up ShinkenOh or combine to form the bird-Orikami ToriKami.

• ShinkenOh and its Orikami components
• KabutoOrikami, KajikiOrikami, and ToraOrikami

Fractyl (talk) 14:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Damn, Fractyl. Can we wait for more than these toy listings before we go about making everything? I mean, we don't even have a reading of the first kanji. It could be Ji or Samurai.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't need to curse about it. Besides, the "Samurai" kanji is also the "Shi" in Shinkenger. I was almost finishing making the page when I got your reply. It's scrapped now. Fractyl (talk) 21:58, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Let's just hold off on it until it shows up in the magazines.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:20, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Keroro Gunsou (Sgt. Frog) homage/parody/reference

It's missing from that section of the article. I believe in Keroro Gunsou they're called "Javaraiders" and it's a show that Keroro watches on TV and even went to see a live action show of them. 76.92.224.130 (talk) 00:30, 22 January 2009 (UTC) Distimok

Was this many episodes or only one of them?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:39, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Super Sentai "Series"

I've wondered for the past few months, if "Series" has to be lowercased, as it seems to be not part of the name, name of series being "Super Sentai." It probably goes for Ultra Series, the Kamen Rider Series, and the Metal Hero Series as well. --Staka (T) 02:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Well maybe not Ultra Series.. Well, almost always, the title of series is capitalized while "series" isn't. --Staka (T) 02:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

It is part of the name. The Japanese name is "Super Sentai Series" just like "Ultra Series", "Kamen Rider Series", and "Metal Hero Series", "Chouseishin Series", "Toei Fushigi Comedy Series" and others. "Super Sentai" is more likely to be searched than "Super Sentai Series".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:04, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

fighting foodons/bistro recepie refernce

should it not be noted that the burger brigade are a sentai parody? Although I'm not too suprised that they aren't mentioned...this show isn't exactly one of 4kid's best (like yugioh chaotic and tmnt probably are) 96.229.108.159 (talk) 20:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Not every parody can or will be mentioned on this article.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Mecha

this section is a complete mess. Talks way too long and in-depth about mechas in a very in-universe way. Can someone rewrite it to be more friendly to non-fans? hbdragon88 (talk) 23:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Not to be rude, but {{sofixit}}.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I was hoping more of a fan than I could rewrite it (I have very limited understanding of the history of Super Sentai mechas), but I could just burniate it if nobody steps forward. hbdragon88 (talk) 02:20, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

If you don't think it's salvageable, remove it. But mecha are what makes the Super Sentai Super.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

well, I went ahead and trashed most of the "xxx series was the first to have xxx kind of mecha!" because that sounded, well, really fansite-ish. hbdragon88 (talk) 03:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I've reformatted it a bit into what has some of the old info in better prose.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

A possible exception to the Team Cannon referenced in Maskman.

The quote from The Maskman description: "It was the first Super Sentai Series to feature a team cannon." Would not the weapon here [1] at timestamp 4:25 be considered a team cannon? I am aware of the fact that technically JAKQ is not a Super Sentai, but a regular Sentai. I thought that since I read in the article that Go-ranger and JAKQ had been accepted as Super Sentai, maybe this should be corrected. Megumi h (talk) 16:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

That is literally a cannon, but I don't think it counts in this case.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Can you explain why? It uses pieces from each of them to form a weapon. Just because it does not neccesarily fit the Super Sentai idea of a group weapon. But nothing in Jaka ever quite fit any Sentai or Super Sentai anyway. I would like to appeal it because I think my point is valid. Megumi h (talk) 06:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not formed from individual weapons, but is formed from individual pieces that they put together. And it's a literal cannon instead of some sort of bazooka weapon. Also the 30 Sentai Encyclopedia features list Maskman as having the first group weapon.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining. I see what you are saying now. Thank you for clearing that up.

Megumi h (talk) 05:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

After mmpr 1 very littlee japanese footage was used ever .ZEo and turbo used a lot but in space ,mmpr 3,and ,rpm used nearly none.Most seasons after mmpr 1 ,used very little sentia footage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.118.204.27 (talk) 02:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Super Sentai 2011

It has been confirmed through a press release that 2011's super sentai will be called Kaizoku Sentai Goukaiger. It is pirate or adventure themed sentai. No idea of story as they have just released partial details at this point. i would like to see at least some new page here reflecting the change. (anonymous) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.118.252.150 (talk) 19:51, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

It's good etiquette to put new messages at the bottom of the page, not the top. And since all we know about Goukaiger right now is the name, the article content would be nothing more than the fact it's the 35th Super Sentai and starts in February (and the date might be considered WP:OR). Not enough info to warrant an article yet. Digifiend (talk) 03:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Where is this press release exactly?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:27, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

The Goukaiger article can be made now if you want. A magazine scan confirmed a lot of stuff, including the logo, suits, premiere date (February 13th 2011) and some of their arsenal. Of course, it's in Japanese... [2] Digifiend (talk) 16:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

That is not a magazine scan. It is a scan from some industry catalog that makes its way on the internet. As we cannot verify where this particular image comes from, unlike actual magazine scans from Televi-Kun, Televi Magazine, Hyper Hobby, Uchusen, etc., this particular image is not a reliable source. In addition, the name "Goukaiger" is most certainly not confirmed at all. We do not know how Bandai/Toei/TV Asahi/whomever is going to anglicize the name, and it most certainly does not have a U in there (it is a long O sound like in Go-onger's name, not like the OU sound in Boukenger's name). The only thing we do have is the Japanese name which comes from actual reliable sources, the Japan Patent Office.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:46, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

To make it clear, there can be no article on a 海賊戦隊ゴーカイジャー page until there is a publically available press release, and that does not include scans like the one above.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:00, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Fine! I've just deleted some of the info from the Suite PreCure page then, since those character names came from a very similar looking scan which was obviously from that same catalogue (it's website only revealed a logo). I think you'll find that the name of the new Sentai is indeed Goukaiger though - the romanisation is in the background, you can see the OU part next to the main logo, which covers part of the G. Digifiend (talk) 03:40, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, you are right about that, then. I do see the "Goukaiger" in the Old English-like typeface.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:58, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

There is a new issue of Televi-kun out that has pictures of the Goukaiger in it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.24.59.48 (talk) 18:42, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Here's said images. Also, the Goukaigers are to appear in Goseiger vs. Shinkenger.

• Promo Cover 1
• Promo Cover 2
• Dice-O promo cards
• arsenal

72.184.129.252 (talk) 06:54, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

We need the name of the publication.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:57, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Something I found strange on the Super Sentai page...

Why does it say that GoGoFive is the first Sentai to feature a team of family siblings, but isn't Fiveman the first? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.201.107.134 (talk) 06:08, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

You're right. Fiveman did it first. I've just fixed it.Crboyer (talk) 06:17, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Articles with conflicting information

The Super Sentai Series section of this article states that Taiyo Sentai Sun Vulcan serves as an indirect sequel to Denshi Sentai Denziman. However, the article itself says it is a direct sequel. Which is the correct information? - Areaseven (talk) 11:59, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

It's a direct sequel considering Machiko Soga's Hedrian character appears in both. Also, this talk page isn't the place o ask this question.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:00, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

If not, where? - Areaseven (talk) 00:39, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh. Nevermind that. I thought you were pointing out that the Sun Vulcan and Denziman pages conflicted. Not this one and Sun Vulcan.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:57, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Shotaro Ishinomori and Gokaiger

The Kaizoku Sentai Gokaiger article states that the late Shotaro Ishinomori is credited as co-creator. In addition, the toys and merchandise have Ishimori Pro as one of the copyright holders. How do we explain Ishinomori's connection with Gokaiger on this article, especially since there is no concrete information on this online (at least in English)? - Areaseven (talk) 06:04, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

They're basing it on how the series will be using Goranger and JAKQ, which are copyright to Ishimori.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:18, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

So how do we put that on the article? - Areaseven (talk) 01:36, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

It's not all that necessary to do so.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:38, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Why not? People will start asking how Ishinomori is the co-creator of Gokaiger when he died over a decade ago. - Areaseven (talk) 02:16, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Ishinomori has been credited as the creator of every Kamen Rider series since his death. Gokaiger isn't much of a stretch.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:26, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

That's not even the point. Kamen Rider fans have always associated the franchise with Ishinomori, as he created every title before his death. On the other hand, Ishinomori was detached from the Sentai franchise after J.A.K.Q. Dengekitai. The Super Sentai franchise was not associated with Ishinomori's works until 1995. Still, other titles do not reflect Ishinomori influence. Aside from the use of Goranger and J.A.K.Q., why Gokaiger? - Areaseven (talk) 02:46, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

That's exactly the point. He was also credited in the same way in Gaoranger vs Super Sentai movie, as well as in Timeranger memorial special episode because　they　also featured characters from Goranger and JAKQ. In Japanese wikipedia, this is explained on the page about Ishinomori himself though. 95.79.140.117 (talk) 10:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. His creations are being featured in Gokaiger which is why he is being credited for the series.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 17:59, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Tokumei Sentai Gobusters

About the 2012 sentai series, It seems that I was right about this. Hyper Hobby January Issue just got leaked this month and now the name Tokumei Sentai Gobusters is considered official. I think Toei trolled Ryulong on this one since he never checked that. So then...I got more proof in henshinjustice.
More proof:

http://i.imgur.com/PlgGQ.jpg - The poster

http://i.imgur.com/ltQzn.jpg - The morphing device

http://i.imgur.com/K2EQI.jpg - Weapons

http://i.imgur.com/2lAoN.jpg - The red mecha

http://i.imgur.com/PBUK9.jpg - Blue and Yellow mecha

http://i.imgur.com/QnJ6d.jpg - GoBusterOh

Now what do you think?--Blackgaia02 (Talk if you're Worthy) (talk) 04:57, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Those are not from Hyper Hobby. Those are from some trade catalog. It is not a reliable source. We cannot add anything about whatever this show might be named (it does not appear to be "Gobusters") until we get actual definitive proof in some publication that the Japanese public gains access to. And do not say someone trolled me.—Ryulong (竜龙) 06:39, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

AkibaRanger. IS THIS A JOKE TOEI????

So then when going to HenshinJustice, I got something that may give Ryulong a Heart Attack, seeing that Toei wants to do Two Sentai series this year: Go-Busters and this: http://www.akibaranger.jp/ and this: http://tamashii.jp/special/akibaranger/ Tell me, IS THIS A JOKE TOEI? How could Toei do this?? Please note: This isn't the official 36th sentai series, I doublechecked it.--Blackgaia02 (Talk if you're Worthy) (talk) 15:39, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

It appears to be a parody title, given that the logo is styled similarly to that of Himitsu Sentai Gorenger. - Areaseven (talk) 15:55, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

We will cover it when reliable sources come out.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:24, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

A heart attack? ~Switch On 2012~ ( ★ AlienX2009 ★ ) 22:39, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Gobusters and Wikipedia

This article's Wiki Code is used in Gobusters' opening, should it be mentioned (in somewhere)?--222.254.176.238 (talk) 10:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Denshi Sentai Denjiman/Denziman

First of all, sorry for the double romanization, but it's hard to guess which is the correct one. I'm posting this just to ask about the helmet visor of this serie: in the article is stated that this was the first that "utilize an actual lens visor in the suits' helmet (unlike previous series where the visor was made of the same fiber of the helmet, and holes were drilled for the user to see through the mask)", but I actually saw some close-up frames of the Denji-red with holes on the visor, so what's the truth about it? Was it only guessed that they have a real lens visor or there are some proofs of this? Or maybe just that the first episodes had still drilled holes on the mask, to "upgrade" later in the serie with real lenses? Thanks in advance.--Ranmamez (talk) 00:23, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

The visor looks like a visor instead of the drilled holes in a colored surface.—Ryulong (琉竜) 01:26, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, so it was written just because "it looks like"? Well, I actually found a proof that they weren't the first to have a lens visor, but they still had drilled holes on their helmets: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79b8bHtdF1r9l7xlo1_1280.jpg .--Ranmamez (talk) 02:11, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

It's been removed.—Ryulong (琉竜) 02:16, 26 August 2012 (UTC)