Talk:Summerseat

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Greater Manchester County Council Arms.png

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Ramsbottom District

Hello. I would like to make a remark about the interpretation of the following source surrounding "district boundaries" in Bury: [1] On reading the page, the areas are referred to as "Area Boards" and not districts. The term 'District' is used to describe the entire borough, as examplified through the following citation about Area one: "Ramsbottom, Tottington and North Manor- The largest of the six Area Boards, the majority of the District’s Greenbelt and open moorland are contained in the Ramsbottom, Tottington and North Manor Area Board." In the light of this, I would like to propose that the lead sentence for Summerseat is modified accordingly, along the lines of Nev1's suggestion here. Thanks. Tong22 (talk) 01:44, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Ramsbottom District

Maybe this will clarify the issue.Before 1984 the Wards(there were 16 in the Bury Metropolitan Borough)could divide very easily into the Six Townships(districts)that is Bury,Ramsbottom,Tottington,Radcliffe,Prestwich and Whitefield. The situation was as follows the - Bury Township(District) had 6 wards. Radcliffe Township(District) had 3 wards. Prestwich Township(District) had 3 wards. Whitefield township(District) had 2 Wards. Ramsbottom Township(District) 1 Ward. Tottington Township(district) 1 Ward. This situation marrying exactly the wards and the districts had been existance since the creation of the new metropolian boroughs in 1974. The idea was that each ward would have roughly the same number of electors spread throughtout the Metropolitan borough of Bury.However over time the call for change became more vocal as the populations of Ramsbottom and Tottington grew dramatically.The only way was to slice through the communities of Bury,Ramsbottom and Tottington Wards.This they did and created a new ward which came into force in June 2004.After much discussion in the town hall at Bury it was decided the ward was to be called "North Manor".As a result the Borough has a ward nodody wanted that stradles three districts.The area is mostly however carved out of Ramsbottom and Tottington Wards. Bury Council however made clear that the wards may have changed but the Townships(Districts) remain the same. However coming back to the original question is Summerseat in the Ramsbottom District here is a quote from Bury Councils current Official Guide- Page 8 - Ramsbottom Section.."There are Several villages within the Ramsbottom area.Summerseat with its hamets of Brooksbottom and Rowlands lies on both sides of the River Irwell with popular housing developments".Case Closed.(Mark Thompson02 (talk) 15:14, 2 October 2010 (UTC))

Maybe you're missing my point. Ramsbottom isn't referred to a district, because funnily enough, they already lie within Bury's district. I agree that Summerseat is in close proximity to, and thus within some type of sphere of influence of Ramsbottom, but there is no legal framework confirming this now. Legal definition over loaded personal sentiment is best for an encyclopaedia. The establishment of North Manor ward gives further credence to my claim. The alternative, rather than this bickering, would be to state its proximity to Ramsbottom town, maybe mentioning that it used to be in the same ward. Why not mention the fact that it shares a Local Area Partnership with Ramsbottom? It could all be covered in the governance section, but do spare readers your irritation with the boundary changes. I'm sure statements like "As a result the Borough has a ward nodody wanted..." are going to be quite hard to validate with a reliable source. Thanks. Tong22 (talk) 22:16, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

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Speaking as someone who has never been to Summerseat, or Ramsbottom, or Bury for that matter, I am completely confused. Perhaps if you had attempted to put the above facts into some form of order on the Summerseat page on Wikipedia or the one for Ramsbottom, it would have helped. From what I have been reading there are lots of boundary disputes around Greater Manchester that do find their way into WP main pages. Doesn't the place have any history? What was its connection with the township of Elton? You might also look at what one gets by following Reference 2. Round the houses, up the street, look where you get to when you click Town Guides!

I am a genealogist trying to sort out a gazetteer on another website and getting nowhere fast. --Oldontarian (talk) 13:40, 3 April 2014 (UTC)