Talk:St Fagans National Museum of History

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Their have been some new developments at saint fagans - the gwithdy building (finished) and police station (foundations laid) that i saw last visit are not mentioned in the list of buildings

for more informaion gweithdy workshop is mentioned at https://museum.wales/stfagans/makinghistory/gweithdy/ farrpau (talk) 11:32, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Llys Llywelyn, a King's shed[edit]

'The fictional 'Llys Llywelyn' at St Fagans. National Museum of History, Cardiff. Iorwerth Peate (known as Cyfeiliog) (27 February 1901 – 19 October 1982) was a Welsh language poet and scholar, who together with Cyril Fox, helped to found the Welsh National History Museum, St Fagans. Iorwerth Peake was born in Llanbrynmair, and studied at Aberystwyth, receiving an MA for his research on the anthropology, dialect and folklore of the people who lived in the Dyfi valley. In 1927 he began working on the folk collections of the National Museum of Wales. Iorwerth Peake had seen the excellent open-air Museums in Scandinavia and put forward the idea of creating one especially to highlight Welsh life and culture in Wales; the suggestion was shelved for years.

In 1946 the Earl of Plymouth donated the land on which St Fagans now stands and the concept of a folk museum got underway. Gradually over the years buildings of interest from all parts of Wales were meticulously dismantled and carefully re-erected in the grounds. Iorwerth Peake continued to ensure that the Museum remained loyal to its Welsh concept, and that Welsh history, in all its aspects, was accurately portrayed in a Welsh way. After his death in 1982, the concept was still carried forward. St Fagans was Welsh through and through. In more recent years St Fagans, though a charity, began to take on a more commercial aspect. In 2010 David Anderson (born in Northern Ireland, grew up in England, and studied Irish history in Edinburgh) was appointed Director General of National Museum Wales. Under his direction a Heritage Lottery Grant in 2012 of £11.5 million kickstarted regeneration projects in the Museum main building and the grounds.. Included in the revamp was the construction of a controversial, new build in the grounds called ' Llys Llywelyn ', supposedly loosely based in part on an excavation by Gwynedd Archaeological Trust at Rhosyr, Anglesey, in the 1990s. The glossy 'Llys Llywelyn', a glorified thatched barn with an open-hearth fireplace, bears no relationship to a 13th century Welsh royal court of the Princes of Gwynedd and this, and the 'information' boards, do not belong at St Fagans. 'an exhibit to help visitors understand life in medieval Wales. Really!!!!

The exhibit is supposed to show an imaginary feast being held there by Prince Llywelyn and Princess Joan on 10th April 1237. (Actually Joan had died the previous February.)

There is a backstory to this. It sadly begins with Gwynedd Archaeological Trust (GATs) destruction of the remains fof the former Welsh burial ground at Llanfaes on behalf of Welsh Water plc. in 1991-94. There was a huge protest. GAT tried to turn the focus elsewhere, and excavated part of what had been the local government centre at Rhosyr. The Director of GAT at the time declared to the media that they had 'found the lost palace of the Princes...' The announcement was later toned down, but GAT's reconstruction image remained, and has been recreated in the National Museum of History. It is a disgrace and does the thirteenth century Welsh Princes no favours. It belittles them. Hogyncymru (talk) 13:26, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are you suggesting amendments/additions to the Wikipedia article? I'm sure you're already aware that these sort of opinions and criticisms would need a reliable published source to back them up. I admit, it sounds like some interesting background info. Sionk (talk) 16:43, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Adding some context so that if people want to contribute further to the article, they can use this as a basis for further research, better than to leave without adding my addition to talk, but yes.. it's shocking they're passing it off as 'true to life'. Hogyncymru (talk) 21:18, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Welsh title[edit]

"The museum's name in Welsh (also meaning "Welsh Folk Museum") has remained unchanged since that [1948]". Apparently not any more. It seems to be "Sain Ffagan Amgueddfa Werin Cymru" now. https://amgueddfa.cymru/sainffagan/ Flapdragon (talk) 17:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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