Talk:Society of King Charles the Martyr

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User Backnumber1662 may not like the idea of saints, but that is no reason to muck up an article. Fixed some edits. Morgaledth 02:16, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Catholic"[edit]

What is meant by the term "Catholic" as applied to this society? Some may think it means it is affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church but that is apparently not the case. -- Beland 21:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In an Anglican context, Catholicism usually means High Church Anglicanism or Anglo-Catholicism, that is, Anglicanism with vestments, ceremonies, and some theology not dissimilar to Roman Catholicism. This is opposed to, for example, Low Church Anglicanism, which is sparser in ceremony, vestments, et cetera. - Anon.

The word "Catholic" must be very carefully handled. The Church of England is the only Catholic Church in England, according to both its own formularies, and English Law. This must be respected. So too, however, must the desire of another denomination to be known as the "Roman Catholic" Church in England. Timothy Titus 12:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems odd that a patron of this Anglican society, Lord Nicholas Windsor has been reputedly received into the Church of Rome. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Later on in the article, the episcopacy is described as 'catholic', which does not even make sense in the sense 'high chuch'. 'Catholic' means universal. Surely the relevant term is 'apostolic'. - 1846, 2 September 2009

Any confusion over the word "Catholic" in an Anglican context can be understood (if not entirely cleared up) by viewing Anglo-Catholic or Oxford Movement. This isn't about what the Roman Church likes to call others or what the English Church likes to call itself, it is about affirming the Catholicity of the Anglican communion, i.e. (and apropos the appearance of this discussion on King Charles's page) the presence of the Historical episcopate in the English Church and the role Charles I played in preserving the historic episcopate and the Catholic faith in Britain. There was a flourishing of the Catholic faith under the Caroline divines, after all - it's part of what drove the Puritans crazy. Roman Catholics and low-church Anglicans alike often are confused about the Church of England's affirmation of its Catholicity (not just its catholicity, as it were), but that is understandable. Morgaledh (talk) 01:37, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Canonization[edit]

This seems to be out of date. Both the Alternative Service Book and Common Worship have restored him to the calendar. Peter jackson (talk) 10:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not out of date, since the Feast of Saint Charles, King and Martyr (which is likely how it would be worded) is still excluded from the BCP. The SKCM still lists having it added and universally recognized as one of their goals. But yes, you're right that it needs to be made clearer in the article that the feast has been added to the ASB and CW. I'll do that. Morgaledh (talk) 01:49, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Page Cleanup[edit]

Wow, what a mess the section on the American Region was (see the history)! It looked like it was copied and pasted from a minutes report, and listed every single officer and meeting, often multiple times. I streamlined it and fixed the notes in that section, and added an infobox to the article. Morgaledh (talk) 01:49, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sainthood[edit]

I've removed the reference in the article to Charles having been canonised. Please see the discussion here. Thanks. Formerip (talk) 22:15, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Removing it is like removing references to Hitler being a dog-lover; they might not fit with what folks like to think, but doesn't make the facts less factual. But I won't argue, or marshal pages of older Prayer books to "source" the facts. It won't matter, this is par for the course; all I see is someone's ideology winning out. He was called a saint by the Church (i.e. The Feast of St. Charles King and Martyr) until revisions to the prayer book in 1859, which were anti-Catholic and part of the buildup to the Public Worship Regulation Act 1874 which made illegal ritualism. But all this is unnecessary; you don't want his sainthood mentioned, and thus it won't be, and you're a long time editor, which means you have the power. Of course he was considered a saint by the C of E; the fact that such things bother anti-Catholics is of no factual concern. But QED. I remember now why I stopped editing this thing, it's a good reminder not to come back and feed the beast. Cheers! Morgaledh (talk) 03:17, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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