Talk:Silly Love Songs

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Removal of "Uses in pop culture" section and Moulin Rouge reference[edit]

On March 21, 2019 user Kind Tennis Fan removed the entire "Uses in pop culture" section of the article that had been there since February 17, 2015 when it was added using two pieces of text from the "History" section (now since removed). The user in 2019 gave the reason for the removal in the edit description as "Unsourced content. Please see WP:VERIFY." I'm not sure if that entire section needed to be deleted just because it didn't have citations, as opposed to putting a Template:Unreferenced section tag on top of it, since the citations would be pretty easy to find and the list of cultural references would be pretty easy to revise based solely on the information findable in the cited sources once they were found. I also think the usage in "Elephant Love Medley" from the Moulin Rouge! film should be noted, either in a restored "Uses in pop culture" section, or in the list of covers. It was previously listed (in this form: "In 2001, Nicole Kidman and Ewan McGregor featured the song in "Elephant Love Medley" within the film Moulin Rouge![citation needed]) in the "Other covers" section, but removed on March 25, 2019 by user Kieronoldham with the stated reason: "Did they write and record that themselves?" I'm not sure why they felt this disqualified it from being a "cover" since covers, by definition, are not written by the ones covering the song. And I'm not sure why being in a film disqualifies it from being "recorded", since that would tend to suggest that a song rendition only counts as a cover if the person singing it also produced the entire record themselves, and very few singers do that. And no that version wasn't a standalone song on a purely standalone musical album, but the Elephant Love Medley, including the Silly Love Songs interpolation, was featured on the Moulin Rogue! film soundtrack album, the Wikipedia article for which repeats that fact (despite the "citation needed" tag someone added after that fact in this article). According to the current Wikipedia article for Cover version, a cover of a song is simply "a new performance or recording by a musician other than the original performer or composer of the song", and according to the Wiktionary entry for "cover version", it is "a version of a song that is a new performance or rerecording of that song by a different artist." That 100% applies to the use of the song in "Elephant Love Medley". You could maybe argue about whether a song being in a medley counts as a cover, but I'd say by definition a medley is a series of covers, and it still fits the definition of a new performance or version of a song by a different artist, which I would argue is true even if it's not a full or standalone version of the song. In any case none of those issues were the ones raised by Kieronoldham in removing the reference, it was just removed because that user felt it's not a cover unless the person covering it also wrote it (???) and recorded it themselves personally, which I don't agree with. Plus I think the usage in Moulin Rouge! is probably the most significant exposure of the song to popular media and audiences since the song's release, and certainly is worth mentioning in this article, either in a restored "Uses in pop culture" section or in the "Other covers" section. VolatileChemical (talk) 12:26, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can't remember edits from >4 years ago. Maybe I could have chosen a better edit description I agree. Don't you think it's trivia? They are not artists covering it. Didn't Carlton sing some of the lyrics to this song in the shower in an episode of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air?--Kieronoldham (talk) 20:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello VolatileChemical. The four unsourced statements I removed in March 2019 from the "Uses in pop culture" section were:
  • This song was used in the pilot episode of The Fresh Prince of Bel Air when Carlton Banks is heard singing the first verse while taking a shower.
  • In 2005, the song was sampled in Jenn Cuneta's Come Rain, Come Shine.
  • The song is heard playing on a car radio in an episode of True Blood. Its use is ironic, since the car's driver is Hayes, a violent vampire.
  • A fictional John Lennon repeatedly mocks the name of the song to a fictional Paul McCartney in an imagined encounter in the film Two of Us (2000).

All these four statements were unsourced and (in my view) are not particularly important and did not meet the criteria for WP:SONGCOVER and WP:SONGTRIVIA. In your opinion are any of these four statements important enough to include? Kind Tennis Fan (talk) 21:38, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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