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It seems that Ichiwa is listed twice? The older listing uses the full name, Ichimonjiya Wasuke, the entry for which describes the same restaurant as the reference for Ichiwa and even lists that as the local name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerwitz (talk • contribs) 11:23, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Founded before 1020[edit]

"As of 2020 [...] and at least 19 who say that they have been operating for over 1,000 years."

We currently have 8 listed which were founded before 1020 (and so at the time of that statement, would've been operating for 1000+ years). It'd be neat to find out what the other 11 that are that old are! 2A02:C7C:C4CD:A500:B17D:1F44:E85D:EFF (talk) 09:44, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To split or not to split the table?[edit]

I've done a fair bit of work on this page, and I think splitting the table is beneficial as it could help to mirror the earlier written breakdown of Shinise in the page: "As of 2020, the country had more than 33,000 shinise, of which 3,100 were older than 200 years, 140 older than 500 years and at least 19 who say that they have been operating for over 1,000 years." - Hence breaking up the table in a loosely similar way.

I'll ping @Sandstein: as they did the reversion.

I'm not sure I'm sold on the "it inhibits sorting" argument personally. How vital is sorting in this table? The table template used here doesn't have any built-in sorting abilities and what would someone sort by here? It's already in date order. I can't imagine there's a significant demand for sorting by the other categories in this case? But I could be well be wrong.

As for re-adding in the inclusion criteria visibly, I'm with you there.

Thought I'd do this as a topic on the chat page as opposed to reverting back, not sure this is the right thing to get bold over. 2A02:C7C:C4CD:A500:C2A:25F3:1A5:EE6D (talk) 09:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(when I say "I've done a fair bit of work on this page" - I mean I'm the same 90.198.253.144 / 2a02:c7c:c4cd:a500:b17d:1f44:e85d:eff, not that I've got some sort of ownership over the page.) 2A02:C7C:C4CD:A500:C2A:25F3:1A5:EE6D (talk) 09:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for commenting here. I think that splitting the table by time period provides little benefit to the reader, as the chosen cutoff points are arbitrary. But it prohibits sorting by name and business category, which can be helpful to readers. The article currently uses a sortable table template that allows doing so. Sandstein 10:43, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"The article currently uses a sortable table template that allows doing so."

Are you sure about that? When I look at the page it's not sortable at all at present. 2A02:C7C:C4CD:A500:C2A:25F3:1A5:EE6D (talk) 11:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was originally, I've reenabled it. Sandstein 20:12, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]