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Somebody

Somebody replaced the original contents of this page which referred to the animal (invertebrate) called "scorpio"!! Tsferreira 21:39, 15 October 2005 (UTC) I reverted it. Tsferreira 22:07, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

The image (by T.HO) is not a real scorpion -- it looks like an origami thing or a computer-generated image. It is quite misleading to use it in this article - especially without any warning.
Jorge Stolfi 01:56, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

I've replaced it with a public domain image of a real scorpion. Lupo 12:02, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Alot of this page is wrong or lacking in detail so I'm going to redo most/all of it.--Fusion121 22:13, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Suicide

I have seen footage of a scorpion committing suicide. Once was with a circle of fire, the other was a scorpion that was trapped in a toilet. They both stung themselves by hooking under the folds of their "armor". Is this for certain that scorpions do not commit suicide? 69.5.159.173 03:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

They probably go into spasms in extreme heat or while drowning, stabbing themselves in the process. Drutt 16:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

It is possible for a scorpion to sting itself to death. When a stick is placed very close to it's back, a scorpion will try to sting the stick. If the stick is quickly removed, the scorpion is very likely to miss and sting itself. Once the scorpion stings itself once, it will continue to do so rapidly until it is dead. I have no source for this information other than my own observation. I also have no explanation for the scorpion's behavior, only the observation that it occurs. Aherc 01:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

This was inserted (inappropriately) at Scorpion (disambiguation). If it belongs anywhere, it belongs in this article:

== suicide == the idea that scorpions "commit suicide by stinging themselves to death when surrounded by flame" is a myth. scorpions are very sensitive to direct heat. when surrounded by fire it first tries to escape. after failing it becomes defensive and strikes frantically with its tail and eventually is overcome by heat


(John User:Jwy talk) 21:31, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Really? I thought scorpions were immune to their own poison. Perhaps that is just snakes. 204.210.250.233 (talk) 11:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

  • scorpions have the ability to go "numb" and motionless when faced with a threat. They may appear dead, but in fact are hibernating (based on one source)[1]so its likely that the scorpion was thrasing, got its stinger caught or something, and just went into that numb state....
  • And as for the guy who talked about the scorpion "killing" himself, though my idea is not verifiable, but....from a scorpions perspective...its just accidentally stung itself..right? What if you just stuck yourself with a poisoned needle. What would you do then? Try to scratch the place where you just poisoned yourself, get the pain off of you by touching it right? suck at it, attack it to get the pain and poison out. But you're a scorpion... the only thing that can touch your wound with is your tail, so you keep scratching at it over and over again (no poison, just scratching) but the poison is already in you. and then you die.
  • I have to say... and this is referenced, a scorpion can control the amount of poison it releases, so if it was trying to kill itself, it would have no reason to keep stinging itself over and over again. It would just do it once and keep its tail there, pumping more and more fluid in.
  • Well, I'd like to add something about this sleeping bit somewhere in the article, and I think we should address this myth even if it still may be true? (though my source says its not), but I can't really think of a good place to put it.... Nishanoire (talk) 07:55, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Pedipalps

Pedipalps: these are a pair of modified legs that have evolved into claws. The claws are used for primarily for prey capture, but also play an important part in the scorpion mating dance. The pedipalps are made of up of 6 segments. The claw itself consists of the upper fixed finger (tibia) and the lower moveable finger (tarsus). The size of the pedipalps is highly dependant on the species, however a general trend is that the more venemous the scorpion the narrower the pedipalps, as scorpions with less potent venom use their larger pincers to subdue prey.

I always thought that pedipalps were closer to antenna than legs. Perhaps they could be referred to as "modified appendages."


No current theories suggest they are modified legs--Fusion121 00:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Please check accuracy of facts

The phrase "Unless molested, scorpions are perfectly harmless, and only make use of the sting for the purpose of killing prey. Generally, they will run from danger, or remain very still." is IMHO absolutely untrue. Many times when I was in the desert with friends scorpions ran to us. I saw twice a person sitting on a rock, and a scorpion coming from elswhere (not from under the rock) climb the rock and stung the guy without provocation (I did warn them but they wern't paying attention). I knew a professor who also confirmed this, that scorps attack humans without provocation. Again, it might be that there was some circumstance which can be defined "molesting" or whatever, but I think these claims have to be checked. Www.jpfo.org

The scorpion may be after the shade the person casts? I've had this happen, and once it's comfortable between the heel and sole of my boot (not been stepped on), it stops and settles down. I don't encourage you to find out without your trousers tucked safely into your boots, though! Whatever the cause, it's certainly worth mentioning that, as with hornets and spiders (and pretty well everything else), some species are placid, some are right ****'s and there are always exceptions.121.127.194.149 11:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

No creature attacks without provocation (unless it's a special case). There are species of scorpions that live underneath rocks. Probably by sitting on the rock, your friend disturbed its home. Also scorpions rarely ever kill their prey; they only stun it. Mooski Magnus 03:04, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

There have been documented cases of rabbits attacking mongoose with no provocation. --x —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.250.65.130 (talk) 20:25, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
In deserts, some creatures run towards the shade of a human body which is sometimes misconstrued as an attack. AshLin (talk) 17:19, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Types

This article should feture the types of scoprians and the strengths and weaknesses of them all, along with some pictures!-VenomousNinja 23:45, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

I've read of a Central American type called alacron (or alarcon). Can anybody confirm? Trekphiler 23:26, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

No info about diapause

I read an interesting article today at Yahoo! News, "Scorpion Survives Inside Fossil Sample", which desscribed how a scorpion survived 15 months without food or water trapped inside a fossil mold. It said:

Scorpions, which eat insects, are capable of surviving for months without feeding or moving in a sleep period known as diapause, said Richard Baumann, a Brigham Young University zoologist.

As always, I went right to Wikipedia to find out more about diapause, but was disappointed to discover that article is redirected to the ultra-specific mammalian embryonic diapause (itself a stub), without any discussion of the general trait that might suggest its availability to scorpions. Nor is there any use of that term in this article.

Could someone add some (preferably sourced) text about this intriguing scorpion condition? In addition to helping this article, it might lead to the creation of a proper "diapause" article. Thank you. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 02:50, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

survive radiation from nuclear weapons?

I would like to add to the article the fact that scorpions are able to survive the radiation that results from nuclear explosions. My evidence comes from the following website:

http://web.singnet.com.sg/~chuaeecc/what/what.htm#Distribution

"Scorpions can be found in the sea (littoral scorpions), in the mountains, in the desert, in the tropics, in the caves and just about anywhere except perhaps the Arctic and Antarctica. An interesting fact is that scorpions is found to even survive radiation from French nuclear weapons test sites in Sahara (Bites and Stings, 1989)." I'd love to hear any thoughts that you have on my suggestion. Ycaps123 19:07, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

If that is true, is there any information, research or other data as to how scorpions can be exposed to high levels of radiation without suffering negative effects?Dr. Lobotomy 03:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

From book F.Kovařík Štíři(Czech)they have very small chromozomes.

Can we have an authoritative English source, since I'm a bit suspicious about this one? Thanks. Jefffire (talk) 20:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow talk about an ethnocentrist...Jeez.

This source is from book of world know arachnologist F.Kovařík [1]Here is his bibliography and here are personal pages of this great arachnologist [2](you must find it on personal pages, this pages are pages of Czech arachnologists.Or you can ask him or any other arachnologist by e-mail Kovari00@pre.cz Have a nice day --Iurusdufoureius (talk) 14:04, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

  • I think adding it is interesting, and now has two references. Don't know if I buy it, but I'm not the one doing the studying. Nishanoire (talk) 08:10, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

and attesting affinity with the still earlier marine Arachnida referred to the group Gigantostraca.

This is confusing me. Concise Encyclopedia Biology says that Gigantostraca is:

giant sea scorpians: an extinct anthropod order containing the genera Pterygotus and Eurypterus.

But doesn't Euryperus belong to Eurypterida? :? TrueMirror 02:57, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


Eating Scorpions is an Antidote?

I've repeatedly heard a myth that says that if you eat a scorpion afeter it stung you, eating it will act as an antidote for the venom. The explanation is that the scorpion contains the antibodies for the venom, antiboidies that prevent him from being attacked by his own venom. Hope eventually wikipedia will come up with an answer, I would appretiate if I could be notified (sumac69@hotmail.com)

This is not true. The only known antivenin has been made from scorpion venom peptides, but eating the scorpion will do you no good, except possibly make you throw up that poisonous mushroom you ate for lunch. And anyway, a scorpion is NOT immune to its own venom; it's just not stupid enough to sting itself. Scorpions love to eat other scorpions though. Mooski Magnus 03:11, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Venom

Is it really the case that scorpions (and members of their own species) are immune to their own venom? Many documentaries that I have watched state that the opposite is true. In fact when fighting, they do try to inject and kill each other with venom.

I heard that in general they whear imune to ther poison,but this wasn't systematic.--Pixel ;-) 23:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC) here it says

scorpions are immune to their own poison, but this depends on factors such as the individual's health, where it is stung and the dose of the injection. [3]

This claim makes the mating paragraph contradictory since it states it sometimes sting the female to pacify it.

Should the paragraph referencing Venom be updated to exclude the references to poison? Per this article [4] the scorpion only uses venom (by the definition). CompSciDude21001 (talk) 20:19, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Venom cure for cancer

can someone check this--Pixel ;-) 23:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC) [5]

What do scorpions eat?

There should be a section explaining this.


Do the second 2 paragraphs honestly belong in the how scorpions eat section?!

SoccerPrincess1014 23:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Bottle green scorpion id

The image is of a bottle green scorpion from the Western Ghats. Any identification welcome ? (Pocock's Fauna of British India Scorpions volume is available online) Shyamal 01:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello,It Heterometrus sp.It is harmless scorpion,but some species are erratic. --Parabuthus cimrmani (talk) 18:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Where do scorpions live?

I am doing a project and i have no idea what they live in. I am sad too see that the article has NOTHING on it. Caves, Holes, Trees, etc. Please put this in

Working on Life & Habits Section Intersofia 13:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

what to do when one finds a scorpion in the house?

Spray with Lysol? Spray with hairspray? Step on? What? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.251.84.221 (talk) 05:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC).

Pick it up and put it outside? Drutt 07:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
If you're wearing a thick-soled closed shoe like a tennis shoe, just step directly on the scorpion to crush it. Be sure to step on the stinger part so the stinger doesn't get you through the side of the shoe. I used to grab them with tongs, but occasionally lost them while mucking about trying to find the tongs. I hated to kill them but I had to draw the line at having them in/around the house. -Rolypolyman 00:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


Take a empty can, slip it over the scorpion on the floor. Take a piece of cardboard, slowly slip it under the can. The scorpion ususlly moves onto it as it forms the floor. Tip the can upside down, the scorpion is now in the can. Take it and release it outside the house! My children used this technique not just for scorpions but also for Wind scorpions.AshLin 11:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Can a scorpion sting not penetrate cardboard? --Stephen Burnett 17:44, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

External Links

If I add a link to the excellent scorpiology.de site, will it be deleted as spam? Drutt 16:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Appears to have moved to http://www.skorpionforen.eu/ Drutt 20:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

"Article for creation" rejection

A proposed Wikipedia article was rejected, because it was written as a letter proposing an article rather than an actual article. However, it is about scorpion stings, and the editors of this page may wish to take it further. If so, please see [6] - you will need to click "Show". Notinasnaid 15:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Insect???

Am I missing something? Why does the first sentence say that scorpions are insects, when they are in a different order? Majolo 18:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Scorpions aren't insect they are arthropods similar to insect, but they have eight legs and isect(fly,butterfly,ladybird etc.)have six legs.Insects have body diferent to three parts thorax,abdomen and cephalus.Scopions,spiders,vinegaroons,crabspiders,opiliones have abdomen and cephalothorax. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Parabuthus cimrmani (talk • contribs) 18:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Size range

The section on physical characteristics doesn't make any mention at all of how big scorpions are. I realize it varies from species to species, but a general range with example would help readers like me who've never seen one in person.4.154.232.77 05:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah! I second this request.--24.85.68.231 (talk) 01:54, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Lack of information

Wow scorpians and scorpian species I have just noticed have a great lack of information on wikipedia, someone should go to credible sites about scorpians and ask for help. TeePee-20.7 16:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you should follow your own advice, and come back when you've learned how to spell 'scorpion'. Then by all means feel free to lecture. - Shrivenzale (talk) 10:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Removed:

"Amazing! Not a single notation or source! What kind of site is this?"

Depends who you ask. To some it's the fount of all knowledge - for others it's a complete waste of time. In theory, it's what its users make it. For example, there are millions of articles lacking cites - which is why there's a perfectly good tag to mark uncited statements. Might be a good idea to use it rather than indulging in this sort of theatrics. - Shrivenzale (talk) 10:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Scorpion in Ancient Egypt

In ancient Egyptian mythology, Serqet (also Selket, Selkis, or Serqis) is seen as a scorpion or a woman with a scorpion on her head. Set (Seth, Sutekh) may, as the article indicates, have that symbolism as well. Source: http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/scorpions.htm Also if required The Complete Gods and Goddesses of Ancient Egypt, pp 233-5. Naisenu (talk) 04:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Smaller Scorpions more venomous?

In indiana jones 4, indiana mentions that smaller scorpions are more dangerous than big ones, is that true? Of course it is! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.191.173 (talk) 18:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

See Scorpion#Venom. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Mammals eat scorpions

I observed some Youtube footages of mice and cats being able to consume some species of scorpions without sustaining any fatal injuries.

Please factualise and add this into the article.

The videos will be added to this section later.

88.105.69.201 (talk) 11:39, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

MICE VS SCORPION http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=naJsLEgcT9Y

CAT VS SCORPION http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MPIJ39dXDPY 88.105.36.129 (talk) 20:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Scorpions without hats

Beyond the vandalism, hasn't this anon bought a block for violating WP:3RR? TREKphiler hit me ♠ 22:27, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Mother eating babies

Sometimes the mother, if she can't find food, will grab one or two of her babies and chow down. I think that would be a good addition. 204.210.250.233 (talk) 11:54, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

External Links

Can we please begin a cleanup of external links? --Dr. Pete Simons (talk) 13:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Cats & scorpions

Are cats immuned to scorpion venom? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.180.137.11 (talk) 20:36, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

No, they are not immune. ⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 00:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

"In Media" section?

Hey all! I was wondering if adding a "In Media" section was thought to be a good idea? I've noticed them on other pages of a similar nature, but not sure if they are discouraged or what....Just though adding "the Pearl" and the new indy flick would be an idea (especially since I came here after watching it looking for verification to indy's claim that "the bigger the better" Nishanoire (talk) 06:46, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

What are the 25 deadly scorpions to humans

It should be listed which are the 25 deadly scorpions, the article states they are in the Buthidae family. I only found Fattail scorpion, Deathstalker, what are the other 23? --Vic49 (talk) 17:57, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Scorpions as Pets???

Can someone add some information about keeping scorpions as pets? There is a good example on the Tarantula article. thanks! I love wikipedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.193.227 (talk) 01:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

In the United States, are pet shops allowed to buy and sell scorpions? Is trafficking in scorpions subject to Federal law? Are there any states where fried scorpions can be canned as a food product for eating as a confection of sorts, much like chocolate coated grasshoppers are? 216.99.201.70 (talk) 05:50, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

New Zealand?

Scorpions have not "been introduced" to New Zealand in any meaningful sense, so I've removed that from the article. For ref see: http://www.maf.govt.nz/news-resources/news/maf-investigates-scorpion-sighting.aspx, http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=141565 and http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=2049372 Snori (talk) 17:39, 20 February 2011 (UTC) It seems to have been added back in with no reliable reference, so I have asked for a citation needed. The sentence as is, is sensationalist and potentially damaging to New Zealand's reputation. There are no records of any scorpions colonising New Zealand, although some unconfirmed sightings have occasionally been made in newly imported goods crates. New Zealand Medical Journal does not list any "dangerous" scorpions in their list of dangerous animals. [2]

What the article says is that scorpions "have now been accidentally introduced in some of these places". This is hardly "sensationalist" and can in no way damage the country's reputation. If you read the sentence carefully, you will find it to be a fair representation of the cited source. --Stemonitis (talk) 06:32, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Red Tail

When I was a kid I moved some wood beside the house and saw a small black scorpion with a red tail. I live in Illinois and was amazed to see a scorpion. I was looking for information about any with a red tail but can't find anything. Can someone help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.160.179.243 (talk) 18:38, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Antitoxin in severe envenomation

doi:10.1136/emj.2010.104158 - research data on use of antivenom in Old World scorpion stings is limited. For Arizona scorpion stings, the antitoxin shortens the duration of symptoms. JFW | T@lk 21:47, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Northernmost?

The text mentions an american scorpion being the northernmost scorpion species in the world (without link/source) at 50N. The European yellowtail page though makes the same claim for that species!

The general page itself says the that species lives on the Isle of Sheppey (at 51.4N !), so that would be the winner. Clearly this is not a native habitat, however the same type of introduction may have happened with the american contender. If not, a distinction should be made between "northernmost" and "natively northernmost".

And what about southernmost? Probably some Patagonian species will win. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.246.115 (talk) 15:59, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

And what about the Ongar scorpions (about 25 miles north of Sheppey)? They were brought in, in 1965, and let loose at Ongar tube station as a publicity stunt for the line. According to the Ongar Wildlife Society (August 2010), they are still there. -Kain (talk) 18:58, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

While stationed at RAF Honington (52°20′33″N) in the late 70s a colony was found under the Scout Hut by one of the boys. Pest control from Bury St Edmunds put numbers at 12, but estimated that there were probably over 36. They were paper white and shunned any form of light. Much consternation when the Scouts were told that they couldn't keep them as mascots! Kiltpin (talk) 13:25, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

The article overdoes the geographics - I think Greenland constitutes a major landmass, and there are many areas north of England that are temperate (and not tundra or taiga or boreal). Ketil (talk) 09:00, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Citations exist in the Paruroctonus boreus article - one is a University of Lethbridge biologist who has documented communities in the South Saskatchewan River valley which might rival the latitude of the UK colony. The species is found from Arizona across much of the US into southwestern Canada so it seems unlikely to be an accidental introduction - if it is it's amazingly successful. talk 19:23, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

How much it helped

It helped a lot — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob-Cricket561 (talk • contribs) 15:15, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Number of species

The introduction says that there are 1,752 species of scorpions, and then says that there are "almost 1500." So which is it? Hominid77777 (talk) 23:17, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

As pets

Should it be mentioned under relationship wiht humans that some are not too uncommonly kept as pets? 98.24.14.97 (talk) 06:23, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Scorpion stings

Medical management of scorpion stings in the New England Journal of Medicine doi:10.1056/NEJMra1401108 JFW | T@lk 21:49, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Pectines

Added a little explanation for the pectines: pectines, which are a pair of limbs transformed into sensory organs which makes them a little bit more understandable. I hope everyones ok with that. I have also a link to this NCBI-Paper which i will try to incorporate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhilippMontazem (talk • contribs) 06:46, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

New evidence?

http://rsbl.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/11/1/20140815 206.87.0.111 (talk) 08:53, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Harvesting section

There are several problems with the harvesting section. Firstly "harvesting" suggests farming, but it seems that scorpions are only caught from the wild.

The $39M per gallon figure is inadequate sourced and confusing. The equivalent figure of $10,000 per ml would make more sense. However the citation chain ends in a blog that does look reliable.

  1. Cited source: Medina, Daniel A. "A look at Pakistan's amazingly lucrative scorpion trade". Quartz. Atlantic Media Company.
  2. This cites "Think Gas is Expensive? Try Scorpion Venom". The Wall Street Journal. May 16, 2007.
  3. This cites "The Price of a Gallon". cockeyed.com.

We should not be repeating facts whose only effective source is cockeyed.com. This source being referenced in a Wall Street Journal blog is insufficient.

There is better support for the $50,000 per scorpion figure. The cited source cites an Al Jazeera report (Javaid, Maham (8 October 2014). "The scorpion hunters of Pakistan". Al Jazeera.) This is a good source that we should cite directly. However, this only says that a scorpion broker claimed that a 60 gram scorpion could fetch at least $50,000. It also says that farmers are paid about $100 for 40 gram scorpions. I will modify the article accordingly. Verbcatcher (talk) 15:45, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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Is that correct?

under the anatomy section, on the diagram, number 11 is pointing to something on the tail but its labeled as the anus and number 12 which is pointed underneath the scorpion isn't labeled. I don't know the anatomy of a scorpion I just think the anatomy diagram needs to be double checked. - User:Atownballer8/19/12

The captions on the morphology diagram conflict with those in the diagram's Wikipedia page, see File:Scorpion anatomy.png. I am not an expert, which captions are correct? Verbcatcher (talk) 18:23, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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The first section of this article says that scorpions range in size up to 20cm. However Heterometrus swammerdami are said to be 23cm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.135.179.151 (talk) 01:50, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Reproduction section

The reproduction section gives a long list of scorpion species that can reproduce asexually, but they all belong to just 2 genera. Should we just mention the genera and make that sentence easier to read? The only reason I haven’t done that is because I don’t know if all members of those genera can reproduce asexually, or if only some can. OddTetrapod (talk) 14:29, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

A single species of a third genera is listed -Liocheles australasiae - however none of the three genera pages and only two of the species ( Tityus serrulatus, and Tityus stigmurus ) pages even mention parthenogenesis. For now I would recommend that we leave the list as is, until someone can find out for sure whether it's species or genera specific. Sario528 (talk) 12:20, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Repetek temperature in winter

From the article:

In Repetek (Turkmenistan), seven species of scorpion (of which Pectinibuthus birulai is endemic) live in temperatures varying from −31 to 50 °C (−24 to 122 °F).

(emphasis added for clarity)

The ref is not available to me, so I can't conclusively say that it's wrong or wrongly cited. Given Repetek's average low temperature in January of -3.0C though, the quoted figures of -31C to -50C seem...well, wrong. 2607:FEA8:BFA0:47F:355C:9850:64F6:C972 (talk) 08:14, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

That is certainly an extreme temperature range, but it's a desert, and -31C is a plausible record low winter temperature if the average low is -3. Perhaps it's overdramatic to imply that these extreme temperatures are typical though. --Ef80 (talk) 22:43, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
I do agree that we could do with a better ref though, as the current ref is not only offline but is in Czech, hardly ideal for the English WP. --Ef80 (talk) 22:50, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

"Ohio Scorpions" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2020

please change "stata" to "strata" in the evolution section. thank you 173.23.80.167 (talk) 07:19, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done --TheImaCow (talk) 08:02, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Spelling error under Morphology section

Bonhomhongon (talk) 04:10, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Fixed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:18, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Motifs lead links

The sentence Scorpion motifs are woven into kilim carpets for protection from their sting. in the lead has a somewhat tricky link puzzle. It was originally Scorpion motifs are woven into kilim carpets for protection from their sting., but when I clicked on "scorpion motifs" expecting to go to an article or section about scorpion motifs, I instead got Kilim motifs, which is a GA but not scorpion-focused. I tried to resolve this EGG by changing to Scorpion motifs are woven into kilim carpets for protection from their sting., but I made a sloppy error and put just motifs are woven into kilim carpets for protection from their sting. instead, which Surtsicna reverted, also noting the MOS:SEAOFBLUE concern. I'm not sure if it's possible to avoid adjacent blue links here; I think the higher priority is ensuring that unfamiliar concepts are linked (and textile motifs are likely an unfamiliar concept) and secondarily resolving eggs. Thoughts? {{u|Sdkb}} talk 07:40, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

I see, Sdkb. When I originally reverted your edit, it was because I thought someone had accidentally removed "Scorpion" from "Scorpion motifs", thus leaving the sentence lower case. But then I had the concerns that you mentioned. The article kilim motifs discusses scorpion motifs so it is not an Easter egg link. It would be ideal if scorpion motif redirected to a section about scorpion motifs but such a section does not yet exist. I am not sure whether it would be helpful (or even possible) to link to the part of the table in which the scorpion motif is listed; it might lack context. Surtsicna (talk) 07:54, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Surtsicna, that would be possible (by adding an {{anchor}}), but I still think the tradeoff of allowing adjacent bluelinks in exchange for being able to link motif (textile arts) is worth it. If you ask the average person on the streets what "motif" means in the context of textiles, I would guess most would not know, so the link is valuable. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 07:59, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
But it is easy enough to click on the scorpion motif link, which leads to an article in which the general concept of motif (textile arts) is the first link. In fact, [[Kilim motifs|are woven]] is what looks like an Easter egg link to me. I would not expect that to lead to an article about kilim motifs but about weaving in general. Surtsicna (talk) 08:20, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Comparison to decapod crustaceans needed

I am no biologist, and I have to say this could use some improvement to be more approachable to a general audience. I'm rather surprised that it gained featured status, although it is reasonably readable and gives a thorough treatment of the topic.

I came to this article to see if I could find any discussion of the similarities between scorpions and crayfish. The scorpion bears a striking similarity to the crayfish, but adapted for land instead of water. The taxonomic classification, frankly, with the point of commonality being ridiculously deep (all the way back to phylum, which accounts for 80% of the living things on the planet), seems rather arbitrary given the similarity between these creatures, and the dissimilarity between them and many other arthropods.

Unfortunately, the discussions I see on the subject are too dumbed down and unhelpful ("they are both arthropods"). I'm more interested to know why, if they are so distantly related, do they share such similar characteristics? Given the similarity in appearance, how can a scorpion be more closely related to a butterfly (which looks completely unrelated) than a crayfish?

If I came to this article looking for such information, others may also do the same. It's probably a common question, or common misconception, that scorpions are closely related to lobsters and crayfish. I feel the article is missing something significant, even if it's just a short paragraph with a few sentences. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks. I'll say that I'd not have imagined the question as put. There is a genuine phylogenetic relationship between scorpions and crustaceans, but their lineages separated a very long time ago, some 500 million years, back in the Cambrian. The crustacean and insect lineages separated more recently, perhaps some 440 million years ago, so crayfish are closer to butterflies than either of them are to scorpions (so it seems you have part of the story inverted). I think you'll see that this discussion doesn't really belong in Scorpion, Butterfly, or Crayfish, but belongs (without necessarily mentioning these examples, which are just a few out of many similar relationships) in something like Arthropods. Hope this helps a bit. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:22, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
A similar kind of discussion comes up from time to time with lizards and salamanders: how, despite their similar appeαrance, lizards are more closely related to humans than to salamanders. (And then there's these guys, that are more closely related to mammals than to any reptile). Firejuggler86 (talk) 01:49, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
And many others, all out of scope of this discussion and talk page. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:15, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
No, this is not out of scope. I started this section as a suggestion for improvement to this article, which is definitely in scope. It is likely a common question or assumption that non-biologists have about scorpions, and that question should be put to rest in this article. I remember during my childhood and into college, I was hearing (to the point of assuming it myself) that scorpions are lobsters or crayfish adapted for land. This is incorrect, and should be noted in the article. Nobody is going to drill down into the arthropod article to find the answer there.
A featured article should give a thorough treatment of the subject. There is one glaring omission here, in my view. ~Anachronist (talk) 13:52, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
On the contrary, the general question of species-that-vaguely-resemble-other-species-but-aren't-like-them-really is not part of this discussion; this talk page (like all others) is Not a Forum. We agree that such cases exist. The issue for this page is limited to whether this page should discuss any supposed similarity to decapods, to which the reasoned answer is no, for the reasons given. I have explained in detail what the reasons are, and what you believe you remember you heard in college is purest hearsay evidence, i.e. WP:OR. The reasons I have given can be challenged if you can show they are wrong; otherwise, it's time to stop this thread, thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:54, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
We can't discuss the similarities between scorpions and crustaceans unless its in reliable sources. Overwise, its OR. LittleJerry (talk) 00:23, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
  1. ^ http://library.thinkquest.org/C007974/2_4sco.htm
  2. ^ http://www.nzma.org.nz/journal/122-1290/3494/. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
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