Talk:Sanremo Music Festival/Archive 1

Anyone willing to collaborate to improve this article?

• Hi,
  

I think this article could be improved in several ways with the effort of a little group of volunteers. First of all the split between winners and newcomers winners (and its analogous for critics awards) doesn't work properly because the organizer of the contest change its rules almost every year. The basic idea is that expert, "veteran", artists compete separately from young or "junior" singers. However criteria to identify junior singers may vary from one edition to another. Also there have been years where singers at their first contest presence were separated from singers that had already partecipated but couldn't still be considered "veterans", thus yielding three different categories. This is the case of 1989, which had a section named "Nuovi" (New) and one named "Emergenti" (Emerging - thus not "new" but not veterans either). In that year Paola Turci was between "Emergenti" and won the Critics Award with "Bambini". This doesn't appear in our list because the list is limited to "newcomers" ("new").

Furthermore there are many trivia about the festival. One concerns its invention: some people credit Amilcare Rambaldi (who later created the Premio Tenco), some others credit Pier Busseti.

In the first years exhibitions took place while the audience had dinner, and waiters wandered through the tables. The emphasys was much more on the songs rather than on singers (something which is not so true today): in the first edition, for instance, there were 20 songs, sung by 3 singers altogether. In that edition Nilla Pizzi was both first (alone) and second (with Achille Togliani); the year later Nilla Pizzi was first, second and third. Also in early years, songs were recorded after the festival. There are many other trivias and info, but, considering the amount of work, I would like to create a little working group for this. Anyone? --Gennaro Prota 01:51, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

False interwiki link

Sorry, I'm not skilled enough to repair that by myself, but the link to the German version of the San Remo festival article is wrong; it links to https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stemweder_Open_Air (wonder why). But only in this English version AFAICS and not at Wikidata. Maybe someone could fix that. Thanks, --Lorilo (talk) 14:24, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

 Done. It was a problem with the Historic rock festival Template. Thank you for reporting this issue! --Stee888 (talk) 18:39, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Report user deleting information

I want to report an user who continuously deletes relevant information added to the paragraph 'Critics award 'Mia Martini'. The user, Revirvlkodlaku despite having little knowledge on the subject and having a basic level of Italian (as he claims on his page), he reverts and deletes the sourced information, which I add to the section. Why is this allowed?--Cutio.mer (talk) 15:39, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Cutio.mer, first off, if you have an issue with an editor, this isn't the place to bring it up. If you feel like my edits have been inappropriate or unfair, there is a variety of dispute resolution mechanisms available to you on Wikipedia. This is intended to be the article talk page, where issues related to the topic itself are discussed. I'd like to point out, first of all, that you are not a confirmed user, which tells me that you are inexperienced. This is an important point because you are starting a dispute with an experienced editor despite yourself seemingly having little knowledge of the background workings of Wikipedia, and despite seemingly not being a native English speaker (based on your style of writing). I think I've been fair to you as well as to the edits you've made. I have removed some low-relevance material, summarizing it as such, which is normal procedure. I have thanked you for some edits you have made, something you missed, perhaps? Anyway, my suggestion to you is that if you feel like you have a genuine grievance, take it up in the correct channels. Do also remember that Wikipedia is a collaborative project and agreement has to be established between editors when new content is being added. It isn't the case that you can simply add whatever you want without anyone challenging it. Any editor is able to challenge or remove content you've added and as long as this is done according to the appropriate protocols, there is nothing wrong with it. There is no question of why this is allowed, that's simply how Wikipedia works. Please familiarize yourself with the workings of this platform, try to work collaboratively with other editors, remain civil, and most importantly, don't take things personally :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:56, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Literal translations

Hi IvanScrooge98, as you know, we have been going back and forth over the translation of Festival della canzone italiana. I don't think a literal translation is necessary nor even beneficial for the reader's understanding. I think "Italian song festival" is clear and doesn't omit any key elements of the Italian title. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 13:59, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku: sorry, only noticed the mention now. As I said, the sense that specifically the songs are Italian, rather than the festival overall, may get lost in translation that way. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 14:03, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't think it does get lost in translation, and besides, I think it's a minor point of distinction to the average reader, but I'd rather avoid going back and forth over it if it's important to you. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:05, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku: thanks! The main thing is canzone italiana, being a nearly idiomatic pair, conveys the meaning that the festival was created within the tradition of Italian music, much like chanson française, for instance, so "Italian Song Festival", although more natural in English, seems to me lacking with respect to this. And again sorry for my latest revert. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 14:12, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Broken citation and grammatical errors

Hello Cutio.mer, you recently reverted an edit I made, in which I fixed errors you had previously introduced to the article. One of them was a broken citation template, and the rest were mostly minor grammatical errors. This isn't a content dispute, as you seem to think. I have no issue about what you add or remove (as long as it is justified and referenced), but please do not edit war and reintroduce errors that degrade the article. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 00:06, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Revirvlkodlaku, thank you if you have updated any fixed errors or broken citations, but as I wrote in the comment the three names are not relevant in the intro and I moved them in the reference. Apart from Nilla Pizzi, the other names are not widely known even amongst the Italian public. Why do we need to keep them in the introduction in English? You reverted twice different mistakes (Fiorello as host in 2022), Manuel Mijares as winner of the Critics' award in 1990. Why don't you add just the missing reference mark to the added information. Plus when I edited the 'Mijares' mistake, I added 'correct info'. You are trying to stop anyone contributing to develop the page. If I have to be completely honest, I am not happy about your behaviour on this page. I am referring also about other your edits in the past. Why do you act in this way on this page? And clearly you have scarse knowledge about the Sanremo Festival, if you revert the updated correct info, even when someone writes 'correct info'. You act like a sentinel for any minimum updates on the Sanremo Music Festival page on wikipedia. Something that I never saw on other pages! Why? And you have the courage to write "do not edit war and reintroduce errors that degrade the article". Really? Or is it you preventing to cancel errors on this page and keeping the page on a low degraded level?! Cutio.mer (talk) 00:41, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I am a sentinel for this article. That's how watchlists work. Maybe if you were a confirmed user, you would know that. Your edits so far have not only been unconstructive, but apart from lacking any proper summary or explanation, you have also introduced markup and other errors. This borders on disruptive editing and I will ask you to cease, otherwise you will receive warning. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 04:51, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Revirvlkodlaku I am asking for the involvement of an administrator. You are reverting correct updates, keeping mistakes and you are accusing me to be disruptive and lacking any proper summary and explanation, when it is not true. Summary of what happened (anyone can verify what I am saying on the view history page): A user updated the correct host twice and you reverted it. I updated the correct host and provided an explanation. I updated the recipient of the Critics award in 1990 with the correct name and deleting a wrong link. First time I was not logged in and I added the explanation (correct info) and you reverted it, second time I edited it with my account and finally you didn't revert it. I added the info about the Sanremo Festival as the 'longest-running annual TV music competition in the world on a national level' with source. I added a paragraph about the awards and the facts the songs are in Italian and dialects. I added the names of Cher and Dionne Warwick as international participants. I moved the names of the first participants inside the reference, because they are not relevant in the intro. Can you explain me how I am being non constructive?Cutio.mer (talk) 10:16, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

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