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This page was proposed for deletion by Brad101 (talk · contribs) on 8 March 2011 with the comment:
Unreferenced for over 3 years. Strong statements without sources. Fringe theory article amounting to trivia.
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It was contested by Mjroots (talk · contribs) on 2011-03-10 with the comment:
Research shows that the ship existed, and that it was reported overdue on 31 December 1925, having issued a distress call on 1 December 1925. Reference added for this and for the discovery of the ship in Close Encounters of the Third Kind

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SS Cotopaxi[edit]

How does one cite a dvd "extras" documentary. The fact that the model used in Close Encounters doesn't match the real ship is discussed in the "making of" documentary that's part of the 30th anniversary dvd boxed set. Acroyear (talk) 21:32, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Use {{cite video}} to cite from DVDs. Mjroots (talk) 06:40, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DePRODded[edit]

I've dePRODded this article. The ship can be proved to have existed, and at 2,351 GRT is of a size sufficient to justify a stand-alone article. Obviously further research is needed in order to expand the article. It should be noted that a number of ships carried the name Cotopaxi over the years. Once we pin down a year of building and the builder, research will become easier. Mjroots (talk) 06:40, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Built by Great Lakes Engineering Works in 1918. Mjroots (talk) 08:51, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Update needed[edit]

I read somewhere a few days ago that this ship had recently resurfaced near Cuba. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.74.222.196 (talk) 15:57, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Guy here said "photos" of found SS Cotopaxy is just heavily photoshopped scenes from film "close encounter of 3rd kind". http://masterok.livejournal.com/2393295.html (russian language) Also there is no official announcement from cuban authorities.

Article should mention the hoax[edit]

Yahoo News is currently running a "sponsored" headline, "Missing Ship Reappears After 90 Years."

I came here looking for confirmation or refutation. I had to spend a lot of time looking through the edit history of the article to find out the real scoop. Let's spare everyone else who comes here for the same reason -- by including a succinct summary of the hoax in the article. 174.24.28.43 (talk) 21:00, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If, and only if, a reliable source covers the hoax, it can be mentioned. Mjroots (talk) 09:53, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Trying to find a reliable source but only found a snopes article that debunks the claim. --Bil Simser (talk) 01:28, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why should there be snow only a few hundreds meters above sea level in tropical regions like Cuba? See image here. Its quite sure those "news" was a hoax. --Alexander.stohr (talk) 22:16, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The rusty wreck from the image seems to be really located in Patagonia. --Alexander.stohr (talk) 22:43, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Several copy&paste articles on the web use this image from a ship near lanzarote as a start (with a slightly different perspective then the used stock image of the ship). As it can be seen those ship is on grounad and already dis-functional due to removal of its bow half. Thus this is one more indication of a not-that-honest flock of articles. --Alexander.stohr (talk) 22:23, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The "news" in question seems to be first posted on a satiric web page. source --Alexander.stohr (talk) 22:38, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi protected[edit]

It is with a heavy heart that I have found it necessary to semi-protect the article on a long-term basis. Due to IP editors repeatedly adding unsourced speculation about the ship having been found. Sorry, but that's the way it is. WP:RFPP is available to request unprotection, but don't put any money on my agreement any time soon. Mjroots (talk) 09:56, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2016[edit]

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Add to Description:

"The COTOPAXI was a freighter design commonly known as a "stemwinder" due to the fact her machinery was so far aft. She was constructed at the River Rouge Plant of the Great Lakes Engineering Works at Ecorse, Michigan."

Add to Final Voyage:

"The COTOPAXI's last radio transmission was November 30, 1925, when she reported she was taking on water off the Florida coast; her position was roughly estimated to be off Jacksonville. ("Defends Condition of Lost Steamship", New York Times, January 5, 1928)

In 1928, a lawsuit was heard by federal court on the loss of the COTOPAXI. The relatives of those lost filed a suit for damages totaling about $1 million. They claimed the vessel was unseaworthy following a grounding event off Argentina in 1919. ("Defends Condition of Lost Steamship", New York Times, January 5, 1928)"

Add new section named Wreck Site with the following information:

"The wreck of the COTOPAXI was positively identified in 2014 by the Association of Underwater Explorers. The wreck site is located 36 nautical miles off St. Augustine resting in 105 feet of water, and was previously known locally to fishermen and divers as the "Bear Wreck." Her identification was based on the location of the wreck which is consistent with the last reported position of the COTOPAXI, dimensions of the wreck, the placement and type of machinery consistent with a stemwinder, and artifacts collected at the site. (Encyclopedia of Florida Shipwrecks: Volume I - Atlantic Coast)"

Michael C. Barnette (talk) 01:54, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Topher385 (talk) 13:43, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Added specific directions for edits.

70.127.238.222 (talk) 01:28, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

70.127.238.222 (talk) 22:26, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: I'm led to believe that the IP who re-opened the request is Michael C. Barnette editing while logged out. Pinging account Michael C. Barnette, who should be aware that this page is editable by that account if it meets autoconfirmed status. (Simply trying to help here.) — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 23:40, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it so hard to get something edited?

Michael C. Barnette (talk) 21:15, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Construction information wrong[edit]

The ship was built for the United States Shipping Board which owned it into 1922 with an allocated operator. It was sold to Clinchfield Navigation Company sometime in 1922. Neither is "tramp steamer" particularly accurate. It was a bulk cargo type. References not listed below indicate regular operations as a coal transport which may have been a factor in the loss as coal shifting was a not uncommon cause of serious problems. One reference, not listed below, mentions a near disaster off the coast of Brazil apparently due to a cargo problem.

McKellar, Norman L. "Steel Shipbuilding under the U. S. Shipping Board, 1917-1921, Contract Steel Ships, Part V" (PDF). Steel Shipbuilding under the U. S. Shipping Board, 1917-1921. ShipScribe. p. 322. Retrieved 6 January 2019.
McKellar, Norman L. "EFC Design 1060: Illustrations". Steel Shipbuilding under the U. S. Shipping Board, 1917-1921. ShipScribe. Retrieved 6 January 2019.
Colton, Tim (September 7, 2014). "Great Lakes Engineering Works, Ecorse/River Rouge MI, Ashtabula OH and St. Clair MI". ShipbuildingHistory. Retrieved 6 January 2019.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: date and year (link)

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