Talk:Russian invasion of Ukraine

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Map Update

It seems that Pervomaiske has fallen under Russian control. Should we then have the map updated to a period more recent than April 2nd? 2603:6012:5940:17E:291F:6E2A:D0A4:A05A (talk) 06:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source? Slatersteven (talk) 10:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see Pervomaiske, Pokrovsk Raion, Donetsk Oblast#History. There are currently three citations there relating to this (that I could see at a glance, mind, there might be more), one for a media report on Russian milbloggers claiming it, another for the Ukrainian media stating it and the third for the Russian MoD claiming it. CommissarDoggoTalk? 10:54, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
GeoConfirmed pics and all of Telegram agree. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 00:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The map seems to be a mix violation of both WP:OR and WP:NOTNEWS. It's not Wikipedia's job to provide live frontline map updates. A "collage" of notable images from the invasion would be more in line with Wikipedia policy and manual of style. TylerBurden (talk) 15:43, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. New event happen too quickly for Wikipeida to keep up. We can have live coverage. Bilseric (talk) 22:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Important recent developments not added yet?

The timeline section does not include information on the Russian gains since taking Avdiivka, the more destructive Russian missile/drone attacks & tactical air support, the offensive toward Chasiv Yar, the breakthrough to Ocheretyne, and the passing of the major US military aid bill. At the moment it just ends by stating, rather flippantly, that Russia took Avdiivka, mentions the disparity in Ukraine and Russian ammunition, and states the Russian warplanes downed in February. Since then, multiple major developments are not mentioned at all. Namely those I just mentioned; major increase in Russian air support, Chasiv Yar battle beginning, Ocheretyne salient (and the reported unit rotation issue that caused it), and US aid finally being approved to alleviate the disadvantages Ukraine currently has. The outlook on Ukraine and momentum of the war has actually shifted significantly since the seizure of Avdiivka and it just isnt included here when it should be. Massivebrain420 (talk) 07:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are more people complaining about the article on the talk page than there are actively adding more content, and that includes many that have the necessary permissions to do so. Then again Wikipedia doesn't need to be first with adding news, see WP:NOTNEWS. Of course we could add every meter gained by Russia, the daily Russian terror bombings of civilians in Kharkiv that recently started, the US aid being approved etc, but since there is only so much space it might make more sense to wait for developments to actually reach some sort of point that you can summarize. For example, we don't know what effects the US aid will have yet. Unless there is some significant established event (like Avdiivka falling into Russian hands), I don't think it is urgent.
If you would like to change the article anyway but don't have permission to edit it, feel free to submit an edit request. TylerBurden (talk) 17:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Troop numbers

Everybody keeps ignoring me but I'm determined not to stop. Russia now has 510,000 troops in Ukraine. Please update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxsmart50 (talkcontribs) 02:04, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Use your determination to find WP:RS supporting the claim and make a proper WP:EDITREQUEST. TylerBurden (talk) 15:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 May 2024

5.228.82.103 (talk) 20:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Я уповноважена особа, що володіє всіма правами і привілеями автопатрульованих, подаю запит на розблокування статті "Вторгнення Росії в Україну" для подальшого її редагування, блокування якої відбулося через помилкове спрацювання системи захисту від небажаних правок, тому я, як автопатруюємо на розблокування, щоб змінити розмір шрифту і зробити його більш читабельним.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Czello (music) 20:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that they want the article unprotected (which we cannot due to WP:RUSUKR and the circumstances that led to that DS), and that they want to make the font size bigger (which violates MOS:FONTSIZE). –LaundryPizza03 (d) 20:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Losses

Ukranian casualties must also be updated: 46.450 comfirmed by names according to UALosses Project at April 30 2024.

And this will keep changing, so casualties really need to be left out until the war is over. Slatersteven (talk) 16:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's an absolute minimum figure. The casualty count thing is a whole mess and I'm with you on this one. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 19:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would opt to keep it out personally, as it's heavily contested topic. Bilseric (talk) 22:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that the number of casualties is an important piece of informaiton in any armed conflict. I readily conceed that the number can be up for debate but I also believe that if there are reliable sources that can support the proposed number, it should be included and part of the article. It would be akin to the death toll of a major event, though it is not the main issue, it is an important human aspect that should be included as it is intergal to the conflict itself. Jurisdicta (talk) 16:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]