Talk:Russ Winnie

Russ Winnie has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: August 15, 2023. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Russ Winnie appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 August 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that to announce the first commercially broadcast Green Bay Packers game in 1929, Russ Winnie sat in a studio and read out telegrams sent from someone who was at the game?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/August. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Russ Winnie.

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GA Review[edit]

Passed. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Russ Winnie/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Gonzo fan2007 (talk · contribs) 14:50, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this one tomorrow. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:50, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead[edit]

Change Russell Griffith Winnie to Russell Griffith "Russ" Winnie
What is the reason for piping sports commentator to "sportscaster"? If anything, "sports commentator" probably has more mass appeal/understanding. I would also make this change in the infobox (linked there too)
- I had been basing the style off of the one used on Vin Scully, but changed it per your suggestion. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Recommend changing A pioneering sports announcer to A pioneer in his field to avoid repetition with the previous sentence.
Can you add his tenure for each team in the infobox?
- I know the Packers tenure (1929-46), but am not completely sure about the others. We know the length of tenure for each team, but not the exact years, it seems. What would you suggest? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - The way you have it makes sense if the years aren't known. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:03, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing as his wife is not notable, I would recommend removing her from the infobox.

Early life[edit]

When he was aged seven feels clunky. At the age of seven sounds a bit smoother.
and was declined -> but was declined (no comma)

Broadcasting career[edit]

He was their announcer as they won their first six championships in franchise history under coach Curly Lambeau, and Winnie became highly popular among fans, being known for his "dramatic style and extensive vocabulary." Recommend splitting into two sentences, adding a link and rewording a bit: He was their announcer as they won their first six NFL championships in franchise history, all under head coach Curly Lambeau. During his tenure with the team, Winnie became highly popular among fans, being known for his "dramatic style and extensive vocabulary."

Personal life and death[edit]

No need for the comma after wife

Images[edit]

Non free image used, seems appropriate considering the subject is dead

References[edit]

Reference #1 needs an access date. Also recommend changing publisher=[[Green Bay Packers]] to website=Packers.com. The Green Bay Packers don't publish anything (technically, Green Bay Packers, Inc. owns the copyright on written materials, etc, Green Bay Packers is just a brand. I find the website field to be simpler for use in {{Cite web}}). Also, highly recommend archiving this link, as the Packers have a nasty habit of breaking links in the past.
- Done the first and second parts, but I am unsure of how to archive links. Could you explain to me how to do it? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - I use this tool. But you can also manually add it by using the Wayback Machine to archive the link and then inlcuding the archive-link and archive-url fields in the {{Cite news}} template. I ran the tool on the article for you. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:03, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All the Newspaper.com links need to not be the www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org variety. They need to be the standard Newspapers.com variety. Let me know if you need help with this.
Spot checks: Ref #2 looks good, Ref#5 looks good and Ref #9 look good. Ref #1 is solid throughout.
Just a recommendation, I dropped the {{Open access}} template from Newspapers.com a while ago. I had another editor convince me it didn't help at all, and it is better to use the type=clipping parameter. No worries either way, just a recommendation.

Nice work! No major issues, putting on hold. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:11, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gonzo fan2007: I've addressed all of the issues except for the ones I've commented on. Let me know your thoughts on those. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good! Passing. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:03, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Nice[edit]

This was such an easy read. How'd this guy not have an article. 173.80.93.180 (talk) 21:48, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Lightburst (talk) 21:51, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that to announce the first commercially broadcast Green Bay Packers game in 1929, Russ Winnie read off telegraphs at a studio sent from someone who was at the game? Source: first commercially broadcast telegraph ("he did so from a studio, not a press box, reconstructing the games from reports he received by telegraph.") also here
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/John Sterling (American football) (2/3)

Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:18, 17 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Russ Winnie; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @BeanieFan11: Good article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:18, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think the hook may benefit from some reorganization. At the moment it is not as clear as it could be. I may be alone in this assessment so I will promote it and if anyone else agrees we can fix it in the set. Lightburst (talk) 21:50, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]