Talk:Roxham Road

A fact from Roxham Road appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 July 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the many refugees who have entered Canada via Roxham Road at the border between New York and Quebec since 2017 may not have been breaking any laws?

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Lisée and the fence[edit]

I am Lisée and I strongly object to the mischaracterisation of my position in this wikipedia entry. As seen in this accurate report https://globalnews.ca/news/4168099/pq-leader-jean-francois-lisee-wants-to-build-a-fence-near-quebec-new-york-border/ I said that, once asylum seekers will be allowed to come through regular border points, we should put a fence and a sign to tell would-be seekers to go the the regular crossing, which would be more respectful for all. the author of the wiki entry erred in omitting this essential fact. please correct and come back to me at jflisee@gmail.com

Parti Quebecois (PQ) Leader Jean-François Lisée said he wants a fence built near a Quebec-New York border crossing that is popular with asylum seekers.

Lisee said the fence should go up at Roxham Road in Hemmingford, near the Saint-Bernard-de-Lacolle crossing. He told reporters in Quebec City on Wednesday that Canada should rip up the safe third-party agreement and asylum seekers should be directed to legal border crossings.

When asked who would pay for the fence, Lisee joked, “the Mexicans.” He later said that the barrier he was proposing would not be a Trump-like wall. It could be just a cedar hedge. “We cannot close Roxham Road unless and until [asylum seekers] have the ability to come through the regular postings. That’s what we’ve been asking for for a year. Amnesty International is [also] asking that,” Lisée said. Jflisee (talk) 05:16, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the source was RCI, so blame them for the actual omission—as the primary contributor to the article, I only wrote what the source said. But thanks for the clarification, and I will add the additional material in a day or so (I hope). Daniel Case (talk) 07:20, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article is way too long[edit]

There's a lot of useful information here but it's spread across an article that few will take the time to read entirely. See WP:LENGTH. Areas for judicious pruning include:

Trivia, e.g. "The speed limit increases to 70 km/h (43 mph)".
Statements by politicians years ago in the context of electioneering and other details which though newsworthy at a given time and context is now excessive per WP:NOTNEWS.
Info that duplicates Canada–United States Safe Third Country Agreement, Illegal immigration to Canada, Canadian immigration and refugee law, and others.

Cornellier (talk) 16:24, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, this article is way too long. Drmies (talk) 01:01, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I got rid of some overly superfluous info on the road itself, but can get do some more.Transportfan70 (talk) 16:34, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, whenever you do, do feel free to consult me. Some of what's mentioned up there in the links was included because I was either unaware we had those articles or found what was there insufficient to link to for background information (and I really think referring readers to other articles for background information absolutely necessary to the article they're reading is a copout). Daniel Case (talk) 05:08, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Update to reflect new agreement by U.S+Canada[edit]

With the latest agreement, thats should be added to the pages, and(if this article actually exists) put a link i see also to a article about the U.S Canada border(or illegal crossing of said border) 24.13.4.148 (talk) 00:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have been planning to do that here; the article you're thinking of is linked multiply from this one: Canada–United States Safe Third Country Agreement, which has already been updated. Daniel Case (talk) 03:06, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Local Support section biased[edit]

This section of the article is written with a very slanted perspective of the illegal immigration occurring over Roxham Road, citing opinion pieces and making assumptions about “local support” while only providing narrow sources. If this section is to exist, I would like a revision to include cited surveys or polls regarding the affect of these illegal immigrants and to have the biased inputs of editors who support or disagree with the illegal immigration updated accordingly. Shotstopper33 (talk) 00:58, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think maybe we should all be more careful with terminology like "illegal immigration", lest we fetishize rulez at the expense of people. Drmies (talk) 01:01, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have kept "illegal" out of it since, in Canada apparently, when you cross the border somewhere other than a designated crossing point (like, in the case of Roxham Road, Blackpool), you are not violating any law, just a regulation ... the Canadian government figured the real danger such border crossings posed to Canada was people trying to avoid duty on their cross-border shopping, so it made sense to make it a regulation people can be fined for violating. I think I've got this in the article at some point. So all crossings into Canada at Roxham and elsewhere are properly irregular, not illegal (as they would be going the other way, since U.S. law makes such crossings by non-citizens a crime).

"Local support" is meant to refer to the attitude of the people who actually live nearby (i.e., locally), and in Champlain on the U.S. side. The attitude of the population of Quebec as a whole is sort of dealt with in the history section with its impact on the last provincial elections. Daniel Case (talk) 02:18, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]