Talk:Robert Jeffress

Consider for inclusion

Donald J. Trump began his first day as president listening to a favorite Baptist preacher, Robert Jeffress, who has suggested that the Catholic Church was led astray by Satan, that Mormonism and Islam both “came from the pit of hell,” that gay people lead a “miserable” and “filthy” lifestyle, that Mr. Trump’s predecessor, President Barack Obama, was “paving the way” for the Antichrist — and that God Himself made Mr. Trump president. Kevin Baker,Donald Trump’s Friendless America New York Times 20 January 2017.Nishidani (talk) 21:25, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

It should also be noted that many committed Christians are appalled by Pastor Jeffress' assertion that "God has given Trump authority to take out Kim Jong Un." (Washington Post, August 9, 2017) If we accept the Just War Theory (as many of us do) we cannot possibly condone the mass slaughter of millions of innocent civilians, whether by Kim Jong Un or Donald Trump. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnDavis-Morrisville (talk • contribs) 17:42, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Washington Post profile

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/05/14/a-look-at-robert-jeffress-the-controversial-figure-giving-the-prayer-at-the-u-s-embassy-in-jerusalem-today/
A look at Robert Jeffress, the controversial figure giving the prayer at the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem today
by Eugene Scott
Washington Post
May 14, 2018

Mormonism is a 'cult'

Jews and Muslims going 'to Hell'

The Catholic Church is an instrument of Satan

Catholicism is the result of 'corruption'

Clinton supporters are going to hell

--Nbauman (talk) 18:27, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

There are lots of WP:RS that quote Jeffress' views on Jews, Muslims, Mormons and Catholics, and I think it should be given more prominence in the entry -- probably in the introduction.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/world/middleeast/robert-jeffress-embassy-jerusalem-us.html

Pastor Who Said Jews Are Going to Hell Led Prayer at Jerusalem Embassy Opening

By Matthew Haag

New York Times

May 14, 2018

“Islam is wrong. It is a heresy from the pit of hell,” Mr. Jeffress said in the interview. “Mormonism is wrong. It is a heresy from the pit of hell.”

He added: “Judaism — you can’t be saved being a Jew.

“Not only do religions like Mormonism, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism — not only do they lead people away from the true God, they lead people to an eternity of separation from God in hell,” Mr. Jeffress said. “Hell is going to be filled with good religious people who have rejected the truth of Christ.”

--Nbauman (talk) 21:27, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

The statement you would like to place in the lead is: "He believes that Jews, Muslims, Mormons, Catholics and Hindus have rejected Christ and will go to hell." However, this statement is taken out of context and not coming from a WP:NPOV. In the article, Jeffress never once said anything close to that. The closest statement he made to that is: “Islam is wrong. It is a heresy from the pit of hell,” Yet, that statement is referring to the Islamic religion, not Muslim individuals. Secondly, a statement about Jeffress's belief on a specific topic is way too narrow for the lead paragraph WP:LEAD, so even if the statement was in context and factually accurate, it would belong elsewhere.James Smith1967 (talk) 04:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

He's saying that individuals who belong to other religions are going to hell. "You can't be saved being a Jew" has no other plausible interpretations, even in context. He says that other religions "lead people to an eternity of separation from God in hell." This individual vs. religion waffle is not even a tiny bit persuasive. Grayfell (talk) 04:29, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

It still doesn't belong in the MOS:BLPLEAD. The statement isn't notable, only describes a singular view held by Jeffress, is too narrow, and not relevant or correlated to any other part of the summary. Please explain where else you can find someone's specific opinion on a singular issue in the lead paragraph? James Smith1967 (talk) 04:57, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

It is extremely common to find a person's noteworthy views in the lede of their article. Such views can be found wherever sources support that it is a defining trait. If you don't think it belongs at those articles, bring it up at those article's talk pages. This talk page is to discuss this article, and Nbauman has presented two very solid sources which discuss this as defining traits. At a glance it looks like there are more where that came from, also. This is a strong indicator that this should be explained in the article, and summarized in the lede, which seems like what's happening. Grayfell (talk) 05:46, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I reject that "interpretation" of the sources. In any event James is correct: cherry-picking items to jam into the lead is against policy MOS:READREL. Full disclosure: I am in one of the groups that are going to Hell. – Lionel^(talk) 06:08, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm sure the music and beer will be better there, anyway. The Washington Post article offers this quote: “God sends good people to Hell. Not only do religions like Mormonism, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism — not only do they lead people away from God, they lead people to an eternity of separation from God in Hell.” As I said, it strongly appears there are plenty more where that came from, such as the NYT links above and below, The Times of Israel, Haaretz, and his "pit of hell" comment was prominently discussed by CNN and others in 2017, after the inauguration.

There is a glut of primary sourced quotes in the article, which should probably be removed. This is different, however. As far as I can see, he has never refuted or backed-away from these claims at all, and if so, we'll have to go by those sources. If this is going to be a BLP thing, we need to clearly articulate why mentioning a pastor's religious beliefs is a problem. Grayfell (talk) 06:32, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Jewish reaction to Jeffress

This is the Jewish reaction to Jeffress' prayer at the opening of the American embassy in Jerusalem.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/world/middleeast/netanyahu-evangelicals-embassy.html
Israel and Evangelicals: New U.S. Embassy Signals a Growing Alliance
By David D. Kirkpatrick, Elizabeth Dias and David M. Halbfinger
New York Times
May 19, 2018

In his opening prayer on Monday, he alluded to biblical prophecies about a Second Coming, referring to the founding of the modern state of Israel 70 years ago as a “regathering” of God’s people. Then he closed his prayer “in the name and the spirit of the Prince of Peace, Jesus our Lord,” a Christian flourish that troubled even some of the most active Jewish organizers of the evangelical alliance.

“You have this evangelical who ends his prayer knowing full well that it’s inappropriate, that the Jews there are going to be upset that he did that, and not able to answer ‘amen’ to his prayer,” said Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein, founder of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. Such an explicitly Christian prayer, he warned, revived old fears of many Jews that evangelical support for Israel is “a way to sweeten us up and get us soft to get Jesus through the back door.”

Rabbi Sandmel of the Anti-Defamation League said Mr. Jeffress had often made statements the group deemed “unacceptable,” noting that throughout history assertions such as his admonitions that Jews were damned to hell had often contributed to anti-Semitic violence.

It was a “gut punch for most American Jews,” the liberal Israeli newspaper Haaretz wrote in an editorial published Friday. The editorial charged that the evangelical alliance “erodes Israel’s standing in its traditional power centers — above all U.S. Jews, who view evangelicals as a concrete threat to their values” and risked alienating “supporters it may need as soon as November, in the event the Democrats win control of the U.S. Senate or the House of Representatives.”

--Nbauman (talk) 03:41, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Defective link

Ref 1 link does not lead to support for Jefress' DOB, but leads to an ad for a genealogical service. Accordingly, I have deleted it. If you can, supply a more appropriate link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.243.182.59 (talk) 16:59, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Taking back Christian America

A letter I wrote to Pastor Carl Gallops wwith reference to Dr. Robert Jeffress. Pastor Carl. They Body of Christ is fragmented across America. There are sheep scatter everywhere, without a Shepherd to lead them. To many churches, church leaders and pastors have become silent, in hiding, refusing to address the times we're in and worst of all, some have even turned to the darkside. Changing the Word of God, becoming compliant and aligning themselves with cultural and societal demands of a godless people.

There are many reasons for this but one in particular stands out, at least to me.

We have no Pastoral National Leader. We have Pastors who are speaking out like...yourself, Dr. David Jeremiah, Dr. Robert Jeffress, Dr. David Reagan before her retired, Hal Lindsey, John Hagee and even Perry Stone, but none have have risen to lead Christian America. You are all individuals, saying the same kind of things on videos, fb, YouTube but have not joined forces to work together for Christian America. If you all would join forces and work together as one in the name of Jesus, what a difference that could make. Let's face it a 28 minute video or a guest speaker with Gary Stearman or at one church here and there isn't working. What we need is a man or men of God leading America during this attack from the spirit of the antichrist. You and I both know it is only going to get worse. In the past, we have had men of God rise up in evil times to take hold and lead Christians. We had tent revivals with Billy Graham and Jack Van Impe bringing millions to Christ. Today, we have no one.

Why not get together with fellow true and faithful med of God and have a pow wow or two to discuss the lack of Christian Leadership in America. We can't stop what is Prophesied to come but we can fulfill our Lord's command to spread His Kingdom and Save Souls for Christ. What better reward than to snatch a soul out from under satan and have them accept Jesus. So many are lost, scared, confused, some have left the church...all because pastors everywhere are hiding behind the pulpits preaching happy and sappy sermons...telling their sheep to comply or have pushed them out into the wilderness, falling prey to so many wolves.

America needs a Pastor to gather and lead God's sheep. Where we can be one in the Body of Christ. At least have a conference with these men of God and others you know and acting together bring an end to the spiritual desert we are in. So many Christian's are Spiritually Hungry. Others have fallen away because of Spiritual Hunger. When only satan is talking, is it any wonder that Christians are dry, withered and afraid. We need a Pastor America. So many people I have seen on fb making reference to our world leaders acting like Thanos. And they are succeeding. Only Jesus can raise this man or men up. If you all would pray and discern the Holy Spirits anointing, what a difference this would make in the hearts, minds and souls of so many. All we have right now is satan's fear mongering, hate and race division, DC Poison control, immorality and the corruption of our children. When our children are being conditioned to accept sexual abuse and are being taught to be little Nazi's...it's is Time to stand up and speak out and take back our faith and belief in Jesus, our Savior, Lord and King. To God be the Glory. 2601:402:C201:2D10:5D24:C5B4:DC6D:EAA8 (talk) 19:40, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Wichita Falls Library Books Controversy

I'm surprised there isn't any mention of his spat with the city library in 1998, when he got hold of two books from the children's section that included homosexual parents and refused to return them. It was all over the local news for months, and in the process made him a household name. I'm not too savvy with Wiki editing, but this really does seem like a notable incident in his career, certainly more so than winning on Card Sharks. Here's a NYT article about it.

Thoughts?

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/24/us/after-protest-by-pastor-interest-in-gay-books-at-library-grows.html 2600:6C50:427F:EAE5:5921:A8CD:78E4:7202 (talk) 05:14, 15 April 2023 (UTC)