Talk:Roar-ee the Lion

A fact from Roar-ee the Lion appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 27 August 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Columbia University mascot, Roar-ee the Lion (pictured), inspired the creation of the MGM Lion?

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 02:31, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Roar-ee the Lion at a game against Cornell, 2018

... that the Columbia University mascot, Roar-ee the Lion (pictured), was almost a goat named Matilda? Source: [1], [2]
- ALT1:... that the Columbia University mascot, Roar-ee the Lion (pictured), inspired the creation of the MGM Lion? Source: [3]

Created by Alphalfalfa (talk). Self-nominated at 05:20, 13 July 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - n
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: Needs QPQ as this would be your 6th DYK. The second hook is more interesting. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 15:22, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Gaia Octavia Agrippa: The nominator hasn't edited since July 20th. Would you be okay with me donating a QPQ in their place? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:25, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for coming back to you so late, User:Narutolovehinata5. Yes I would accept a donated QPQ. An anon has fixed the uncited bits, so once a QPQ has been attatched to this, it should be good to go. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 18:40, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I will be donating Template:Did you know nominations/Theatre of the World. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:03, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Alphalfalfa and Gaia Octavia Agrippa: Reviewer has been absent for seven days, so I'll finish this review up. With the QPQ and citations, I'm comfortable passing the nomination. Review credit for the purposes of a QPQ and Bragging Rights is reserved to Gaia Octavia Agrippa. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:48, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for finishing up Theleekycauldron! Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 12:05, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Gaia Octavia Agrippa: of course :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 16:48, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion[edit]

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 23:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Famously inspired"[edit]

I went looking at the source for the "In popular culture" section to verify that the phrase "famously inspired" was used, and unfortunately it does not appear like it was. However, there is a more important issue - the article says "Designer Howard Dietz chose the lion as a mascot as a tribute to his alma mater Columbia University and its athletic team, The Lions", and makes no mention of the mascot. It's possible that the mascot was the inspiration, but we cannot assert this on the basis of the source - to do so would be WP:SYNTH at best and WP:OR at worst.

I'll leave it in place for now, pending further discussion, as the content is on the front page. BilledMammal (talk) 22:42, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging User:Alphalfalfa, User:SL93, User:Gaia Octavia Agrippa, User:Narutolovehinata5, and User:theleekycauldron as involved editors, so we can quickly resolve this and if needed get it off the front page. BilledMammal (talk) 23:03, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would just pull it. Leo the Lion (MGM) makes no mention of the mascot. SL93 (talk) 23:59, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The hook ran its 12-hour course. SL93 (talk) 00:12, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Huh, I thought they ran for 24-hours. Removed, thank you. BilledMammal (talk) 02:18, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User:Normsupon; I thought I'd just ask you to come here for further discussion. Looking at the two sources, I don't believe either supports the notion that the lion came from the mascot; the first states "Designer Howard Dietz chose the lion as a mascot as a tribute to his alma mater Columbia University and its athletic team, The Lions," while the second states "I got the idea from the laughing lion decoration in the college comic, The Jester. The lion used in the magazine was a symbol of Columbia … which in turn was taken from the lion on the crest of King’s College." The first suggests it comes from the sports team, the second suggests it comes from the college comic, origionally the university symbol; neither of these suggest it comes from the teams mascot, and they come with the additional issue of contradicting each other.

If someone could dig up "Dancing in the Dark", it would probably be sufficient to establish the veracity of this matter so that we could include it in the article about the MGM lion (though a discussion would still be needed), but either way it doesn't seem appropriate to include it here. BilledMammal (talk) 11:26, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Removed section again; in the absense of a response, I am assuming that there is no objection to renewed removal on the basis of arguments and evidence presented above. BilledMammal (talk) 06:07, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]