Talk:Randolph Stone/Archive 1

Archive 1

Contested deletion

Please do not delete this important entry about Dr. Randolph Stone. I am Raphael Schenker, actual president of the Polarity Association Switzerland, www.polarityverband.ch (more than 200 members). Together with the board of Directors of the German and Austrian Associations of Polarity we support this newly added infomation about Dr. Randolph Stone. Since Dec 2015 Polarity is in Switzerland officially, federally acknowledged as a method of complementary medicine. It is the job and duty of the association to provide adaequate information about this therapy method and its founder. So, again, we strongly recommend to support this information, since the actual page is only a (empty) reference to another page with doubtful content. I am available for discussion, here or via Homepage of the Association. Thank you. Raphaelji (talk) 15:22, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because Dr. Stones's method Polarity Therapy is a method of complementary medicine comparable to Craniosacral therapy, Shiatsu etc. which do have their pages. Countless Polarity Practitioners are working with this method all over the world. Links to their assossiations can be given easily. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polaritytherapie (talk • contribs) 12:53, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

If you want to justify inclusion you probably shouldn't use a handle that has only contributed to this page. Makes your argument weak and comes across as a shill.--WatchingContent (talk) 21:35, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because there is more than one link:

   http://www.polaritynetwork.com/museum/dr-randolph-stone/
   http://www.digitaldrstone.org//
   http://www.polaritytherapy.org/

count as well. The links to a few Polarity Associations have been filled in in the mean time. If more is needed, it can be provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polaritytherapie (talk • contribs) 13:04, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because Polarity Therapy is in need of a proper Wikipedia page in addition to this biography of its founder. The existent link to "energy medicine" is insufficient in its current state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polaritytherapie (talk • contribs) 13:08, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted. Now of course the links to all the Polarity Associations would belong on a proper Polarity page. Since this does not yet exist and since I have to convince people that Dr. Stone has enough practitioners following his teachings throughout the world so his biography should not be deleted, I put them here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polaritytherapie (talk • contribs) 13:35, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Additional References

More references and as required secondary sources have been given. Again, the latter would belong on a not yet existing Polarity Therapy page. Here they serve to illustrate Stones influence. More can be provided if needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polaritytherapie (talk • contribs) 14:52, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Conflict of interest tag

I've added a conflict of interest tag to this article. This signifies to readers that the article has been extensively edited by someone with a conflict of interest, and is likely to have bias, in the form of missing negative content, overemphasis on "positives", non-neutral language (all of which are violations of the WP:NPOV content policy), and is likely to have unsourced or poorly sourced content, in violation of the WP:VERIFY content policy. It is likely that the content promotes the subject of the article, in violation of the WP:PROMO policy. Independent editors need to review the article and correct it, and then may remove the tag. If you do so, please leave a note here. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 16:27, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

You've given no explanation for the COI or what it may be and I find your explanation above dubious. I don't see anything particularly promotional about this article. Kindzmarauli (talk) 17:12, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes I know that you don't, and that is somewhat troubling to me. I left a note on your Talk page and look forward to a response there. I replied to the note you left for me, on my talk page btw) OK, to depersonalize this I am going to open a discussion at COIN to get further eyes on this. I will provide a link there when that is done. Jytdog (talk) 17:28, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Done, Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Randolph_Stone. Jytdog (talk) 17:44, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

The COI tag has already been removed and I withdraw my premature claim of COI. The user has disclosed that they are an advocate for polarity therapy, here. My apologies, again. Jytdog (talk) 20:46, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Removed

I have removed this from my watchlist. Do as you will. Kindzmarauli (talk) 21:10, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Final Statement by Polaritytherapie (Instigator of the article on Randolph Stone)

I am taking the opportunity of recapping my perception of what happened so far around the article on Randolph Stone and of making my final statement. I am a learning by doing person and there certainly are many others on Wikipedia as well. I have studied existing Wikipedia articles and read in the suggestions for new Authors/Editors (but not memorized it to the last letter) before less than a week ago I posted my first article. I have not read and studied the complete system of rules previously. How many of you have done so? Having a basic understanding on what was required I had a go trusting on the support and help of more experienced users (and have experienced some of it) - just as I’m used to grant when I can. In good faith I chose my nickname Polaritytherapie, believing this was revealing enough about my knowledge about Polarity / Stone in combination with my obvious activities on here. I have learnt otherwise in the meantime. But before anyone started inquiring about my person there was a Speedy deletion nomination of Randolph Stone in no time because in 2012 apparently an article on Stone by a different editor had been deleted. That I learned by the Speedy deletion nomination (McGeddon) itself. It was averted just to be renewed by McGeddon. I found his remarks very helpful however in improving the article while my editing apparently soon became suspicious in itself. Now I had to read more thoroughly these regulations, which took some time. While this kind of thinking is not very familiar to me, it does make sense. I learned how Wikipedia sees bias and COI [Conflict of Interest] and restrain myself to one citation from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Declaring_an_interest “A COI can exist in the absence of bias, and bias regularly exists in the absence of a COI.” Jytdog wants connections, connections, connections. For this you have been looking forward, then: I am a scientist and had no special inclination towards Energy medicine for most of my life. But at a time I had serious health issues and academic medicine had little help to offer. I was open and desperate enough to give Energy medicine a try and experienced healing. At this point no one is in need of scientific evidence. As a scientist I know that science including scientific medicine are subject to paradigms that change over time. They are as little eternal as are the Wikipedia rules. I am still a supporter of academic medicine and science, I just know merits and limitations of them and of Energy medicine as well. I am in favor of combining their respective assets when it makes sense. No one in the discussion has given the possibility a single thought, that persons who have nothing to lose (and those who do for that matter) may profit from Energy medicine by means of pain relief, consolation and/or improved health including healing. When I put on the article on Randolph Stone I intended not to bias anyone with such statements; whatever that means or doesn’t mean in terms of the local policy here. That’s the last bit of information you get from me as your further proceedings or what you make of it are meaningless to me. Now is the last time I’m logged on Wikipedia, then I will destroy the password (I don’t remember it). Soon my informative though short stay here will be nothing more than a memory of one of the most Kafkaesque episodes in my life. Your hunches, Jytdog, of my taking money for Wikipedia work, of a connection to the American Polarity Association - what else did you bring up - are wrong. The money-accusation was even objectively insulting. I hope your personality structure allows you not to answer me on my final statement; apart from that act as you need to act, as long as it complies to your local set of rules. I would find it nice to see an article on Stone to survive on Wikipedia in any more or less meaningful way, it needn’t be mine, Voceditenore and The Master have made suggestions acceptable to me, Kindzmarauli anyway. If the article dies or is reverted into its opposite, nothing is lost. You are in control of your own little world here, but not of the future. I thank for every single constructive contribution to the article about Randolph Stone and there have been quite a few. Best wishes, good health to everyone with and without Energy medicine and I hope the atmosphere on Wikipedia will improve again in the future. Polaritytherapie (talk) 17:53, 14 March 2016 (UTC)