Talk:Rachel Stevens/Archive 1

I've expanded a bit, putting in the discography. Further work: I don't know where to find highest-chart achievement information for the singles and album. If you do, please add it in. I know I should have a reference for the album's chart performance, but I can't find one. So if you know one... pomegranate 16:12, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)

Everyhit.com is your friend. Kinitawowi 16:36, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

Do we still call #1 singles "hits"? I thought the singles market was waning significantly, so to be a number 1 single wasn't all that difficult to orchestrate.

Maybe the use of the word 'singer' is dubious too. I've never actually seen her sing - only mime. Presumably it is her voice?. I remember that she once swapped voice-boxes with Jo O'Meara for a time; Jo's powerful voice still being audible whilst Jo herself was absent from the stage with back trouble.

cleanup

203.215.103.7's edits on 30 October, whilst I am sure was done with good intentions and does contain some new information, is horrendous and makes the article unreadable. There are many spelling & grammar mistakes and appears to have been badly translated from another language. Some selected extracts:

"On April 9, 1978 came in Rachel Lauren Stevens"

"At the age of 20, Simon Cowel was working"

"She has now had her solo carreer. She is unique in ways such as for always changing her style (hair and jewery and clothes) every performance and appearance."

"Stevens never stopped reaching for the stars"

"and shocked lots of other artists and fans for just starting yet gaining huge success already"

The article is in need of clean-up or the last edits reverted --PTSE 04:55, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Cleaned up article and added stuff here and there. Underneath-it-All 06:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

"born to a Jewish family" promotes a racial stereotype. If she is Jewish, just say it, if you really want to. ----Signed, me

Think I've got the formatting on the article sorted although it still needs lot of citation/reference stuff that I can't provide. Jasynnash2 (talk) 11:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

male cancer awareness advertisement

nothing about her starring this ad ? http://www.rachelgetsfruity.com/ // 83.24.42.180 19:21, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Acting

In the acting section is says that Stevens is likely to be seen in the upcoming James Bond film. Has ner name even been mentioned as one of the Bond girls? And if yes, what is the source for these rumours? Underneath-it-All 15:46, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Charts in countries other then the UK?

Does anyone know of Miss. Stevens' chart peaks in other countries? Sales and certifications (if any) would be wonderful too! Thanks! Underneath-it-All 01:03, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Featured Music Project evaluation

Rachel Stevens has been evaluated according to the Featured Music Project criteria, most recently affirmed as of this revision. The article's most important issues are listed below. Since this evaluation, the article may have been improved.

The following areas need work to meet the criteria: Lead - Comprehensiveness - Pictures - Audio - References - Format/Style

The space below is for limited discussion on this article's prospects as a featured article candidate. Please take conversations to the article talk page.

• Lead: 2-5 paragraphs, summarize everything in the article
• Comprehensiveness: more on musical style and influences, more on critical reception
• Pictures: lack of free pics is lamentable, need fair use rationales
• Audio: Needs sound samples
• References: need something more independent and authoritative, preferably print and scholarly, but at least a magazine article or two, or allmusic or something)
• Format and style: combine discography into one section, "Other Rachel Stevens related articles" should be "see also", and either or both of those links ought to be worked into the article, some stubby paragraphs, "Future In Music" is a major problem, needs copyedit overall
• Sales: looks good, though consider adding more countries

Advertising

Aren't the list of tour dates hear essentially just advertising

I believe so. If someone would like to re-add them they can do so in an article about the tour. -- Underneath-it-All 16:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Beautiful 2009

I have reverted a section that mentioned a film coming out in 2009, as it appeared to be a crystal ballism and not factual from what I could tell. If any sources can be brought feel free to revert me. Yanksox 16:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Personal life

I found this under the personal life, which may be true to some degree: "Much of this section is speculation and unfounded rumor. It has no factual foundation, such as official newspaper wedding announcements, marriage certificates, birth certificates, etc. It is doubtful that this belongs in an encyclopedia."

Should this section be given an overhaul? -- Greaser 10:52, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Do we even need this section? It seems stalky and gossipy. And the bullet about her eye colour is redundant, since you can see the color clearly on the pictures in the article. 145.97.225.227 18:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I thought the whole Filipino/Chinese heritage was just widely speculated on the internet and never said by Rachel herself or found at any official source?? 76.30.52.19 16:10, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

90% of this section seems to be unverifiable and unreferenced, i agree that it needs an overhaul. Also, I am removing the 'vandalism' which says she is the daughter of Shakin' Stevens and neice of Cat Stevens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.108.174.24 (talk) 00:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the whole section should be removed. It's not encyclopediac information who she's dating and who she's split up with etc. If she got married perhaps it might be briefly referred to in a summing up of what she's doing now. On a seperate note, I found an article from the Guardian: "1000 albums you must hear before you die". It includes "Come and Get It" and I've included it in the appropriate section with a link.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 03:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Acting Career

I have removed the following as there do not appear to be any citations for this:

"Since going solo, she has auditioned for a role in the Jude Law movie Alfie, but lost the role to Sienna Miller. She also secretly auditioned for a role as the leading lady in the re-make of the hit series Doctor Who, but lost the part to Billie Piper. Stevens appeared in a minor role in Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo. She has also been called numbers of times to star in the Dr. Who spin-off Torchwood, and has been called for a meeting to sit with the show's producers. She has recently stated to New! magazine that she would like to attend drama school to receive proper training. She has previously announced that she would love to act with Oscar nominees such as Clive Owen and Hollywood heartthrob Brad Pitt. "

Please feel free to put it back if this can be verified, with footnotes stating the exact sources.

I removed this note from the trivia section: "*Went to school with a Bristol Secondary School Teacher" ...as it didn't appear to make much sense.

Behaviour

Interesting that there is no mention of her legendary awkwardness - a fact which could explain her sporadic musical output, as she often has trouble finding producers that are prepared to work with her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.95.99.103 (talk) 14:26, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

"Legendary awkwardness" is a phrase I have never heard in relation to Rachel before reading your comment. She is a sweet, well-mannered lady, no awkwardness whatsoever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.115.11 (talk) 02:19, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

heya

heya i am just wondering why we havent heard of rachael stevens for ages i think it is kind of weird that a good singer like her would just disappear

Education and religion

The article mentions her having studied at the London School of Fashion- there's no such institution, but there is a London College of Fashion. Is that what's meant?

Also, why does the article not mention that she's Jewish- i think this is notable? 79.68.104.71 (talk) 20:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

She is categorized twice (English Jews & Jewish singers) as far as her religion as concerned. As for the London School of Fashion thing, that is the name the source provided. I had a hard time finding reliable sources regarding the subject, so if you have one, feel free to add it and refactor the article accordingly. Pinkadelica 05:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Main article picture

Shouldn't a more tasteful picture be used to depict this lovely woman? She is a respectable and tasteful performer, and should be revered by the Wikipedia community and its users. An image file titled "Rachel Stevens holding right boobie.jpg" acts as a degrading dismissal of an otherwise amazing person. I know from personal experience that if you start to give people an inch, they'll take a mile. This one time when I was at the park with some friends, chillin out maxin relaxin out cool. Shootin some b ball outside of the school when a couple of guys that were up to no good. Startin makin trouble in my neighborhood. I got in one little fight, and my mom got scared. She said you movin with your auntie and uncle in belair. 207.188.194.146 (talk) 13:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

British Vs. English

I have no problem with Stevens being listed as British instead of English, however, the categories like "English singers", etc should stay. Removing them without replacing them with an equivalent is tantamount to vandalism. I checked several other articles that pretty much jive with the categories that were originally placed here years ago and no one else had a problem with until a few days ago. Amy Winehouse was born in Southgate, London (same as Stevens) and she is listed as an "English singer". Same goes for Natasha Bedingfield (born in London), Kim Wilde (Chiswick, West London), etc, etc. Since there doesn't appear to be any "British singers" categories, English is gonna have to suffice unless someone wants to create a whole slew of new categories because they don't agree with the wording and don't agree with the assessment that if one is born in London or a suburb of London, one is not English. Unless a valid argument is presented as to why these categories are (no pun) categorically wrong, the categories should stay. If they're removed, I'll be glad to open an RfC to get some more eyes on what seems to be a big deal on this article only. Pinkadelica (talk) 04:10, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Longtime boyfriend

Something doesn't add up in the Personal life section of the article. The first sentence says that she became engaged to "longtime boyfriend" Jeremy Edwards on February 14, 2002. The second sentence says that they split up in early 2004 after "over three years" of dating. That would mean that they started dating in late 2000 or early 2001. This in turn means that Edwards was Stevens' boyfriend for about a year to a year and a half when they became engaged. I don't think this is long enough to call him a "longtime boyfriend". Aecis·(away) ^talk 23:05, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Ethnic Background

Is she completely English? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.124.164 (talk) 19:03, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Should she be listed as Eurasian? --Pertuk (talk) 17:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Never has it been officially confirmed that she is of Asian origin. This is pure fan speculation just because she apparently looks "a bit asian". Both of her birth parents look Caucasian.

Real name

Her real name is not Rachel Steinetski. I would change the article but it would just get changed back again. My reasons for believing this:

This was made up by satirical site www.theboard.org.uk (http://www.theboard.org.uk/index.php?m=200509) in an article which also mentions that she was gunged on the Dick and Dom show with un-kosher emu fat. Some clever person comes along and puts this on Wikipedia and, ever since, other sites have been mirroring and quoting the article. Now just because it has many Google hits does not mean that it is factually correct. Also, most of the articles are dated within the past few weeks.

Rachel's parents have featured occasionally in the media with the names Linda Stevens and Michael Stevens. Her brothers also have the surname 'Stevens'.

A quick search on Google shows that 'Steinetski' does not exist as a surname for any other person. In fact there are more results for "Rachel Steinetski" then there is for "Steinetski -Rachel"

Another search on 192.com shows that no person exists with the surname "Steinetski" in the UK according to the electoral roll or directory enquiries. A similar search on whitepages.com shows that this surname also does not exist in the USA.

Please feel free to prove otherwise but I think its unlikely this is her real name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.49.163 (talk) 21:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I am the user that reverted your edits last week and now I agree that it is possible that that decision was mistaken. I missed the fact that theboard.org.uk was a satire site. The "evidence" above does nothing for your case though since it is inherently OR and there are some flaws in your arguments. However there does seem to be a lack of truly authoritative evidence for the surname. On the basis that it is better to say nothing at all than something that is possibly wrong I agree that the Steinetski assertion should be left out for now, but it should not be definitively ruled out in future if new information comes to light. CrispMuncher (talk) 19:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll err on the side of caution and leave it out for now as well. However, this info was sourced from ancestry.co.uk which is, as far as I know, a reliable source. I suppose it is possible that they too picked up the alleged joke and ran with it. I'm fairly certain I also read about her name being Steinetski in another publication, but I can't find it right now. If there are two reliable sources for it, I think it should be included. Pinkadelica ^{Say it...} 07:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Least Outstanding Female Singer?

In the "Awards" section, it's written that she won the "Least Outstanding Female Singer" award. I'm not familiar with Jammy Awards, but I'm not sure if "Least Outstanding" can be categorized as an award. Or is it "Most Outstanding"?

Ref. 2

Reference 2 mostly refers to Winehouse and says very little about Stevens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.170.8 (talk) 08:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

References are not there to provide further reading on the subject of the article. Rather, they are there to verify a point made in the article. This reference shows what school she went to, and the reference is placed by the statement of what school she attended. The reference serves its point even though Stevens is not the subject of the referenced article. CrispMuncher (talk) 18:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Rolex

The "Daily Mail" of 10/6/2009 says that the watch was a Rolex. It also implies that the robbery was on the 9/6/2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.170.8 (talk) 09:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC) The "Sun" of the same day says that the make was Rolex. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.170.8 (talk) 09:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Biased much?

The tone of this article - or more pertinently, the tone of Stevens' solo career - smacks of bias. If I recall, all her releases were panned by a majority of critics (and judging by their chart placings, were panned by the public too). Yet all we have on here are favourable reviews from minor sources. Yahoo? WTF?

I'm gonna source the dire reviews Stevens received and include them in the article, purely in the name of objectivity of course. If you object, bite me. 82.37.241.251 (talk) 06:37, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I have struck through the very classy "bite me" remark because personal attacks are not needed here. Instead of bitching about the article and bizarrely attacking no one in particular, just fix what you find to be wrong and move the hell on. 69.154.178.93 (talk) 13:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)