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minor corrections

I'd like to make the following minor changes but the page is protected.

"the (forgotten) toaster ejects the bread" - Pop Tarts aren't bread. I recommend replacing "bread" with "Pop Tarts".

"but the actor nearly lost it after his first audition was overshadowed by Paul Calderón's" - This is ambiguous and potentially confusing. (I was confused.) "Lost it" can mean losing one's temper, especially in the construction "nearly lost it". I recommend replacing "lost it" with "lost the part".

"(One reviewer took it as a "tacit comic statement about the ghettoization of blacks in movies")." - Since the entire sentence is parenthetical, the period should also be inside the parentheses: ... about the ghettoization of blacks in movies".) 24.17.19.29 (talk) 11:13, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Dance sequence

Any interest in breaking down the dance sequeence into the components. It is described as the twist in the article, but contains elements of other 60's dance moves, including the batusi fingers over the face. See http://www.lefigaro.fr/cinema/2014/09/24/03002-20140924ARTFIG00187--pulp-fiction-la-scene-de-danse-mythique-decryptee.php --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:28, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Pulp Fiction/GA4

Harvey Keitel sais his car was an Acura, not a Honda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:301:77E5:49F0:954C:1117:DB78:8D3 (talk) 23:54, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2015

Under the heading "Amanda Plummer," correct the spelling of the word "agressive" to read "aggressive." Rmmrobinson (talk) 16:25, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 16:29, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2015

As his first act of redemption, he allows the two robbers to take $1500 of his own money, but leave the cash they have stolen and leave the briefcase behind for Jules and Vincent to return to Marsellus. Thus, Jules finishes his final job for his boss. MartineJanah (talk) 05:51, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 13:16, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

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The link in footnote 37 is broken

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Description of action in "The Bonnie Situation"

   In our coverage of "The Bonnie Situation", there is no mention of Bonnie to make some of the sense out of the "act's" title, for our reader, that it eventually makes to the viewer. (Nor for that matter, mention of Jimmie, who's played by an actor whom most viewers will recall seeing in it!) I can't recall the action clearly enuf to get straight which phone usages force calls to be carried on which historically plausible devices, but i'd add to the action the following conversations in whatever is their proper order:

  • Vince recalls Jimmie as a valuable and relatively close resource
  • Vince notifies Marsellus that Marvin's head is blown off in car and gets promised The Wolf
  • Jimmie explains Bonnie Situation (soon due home from work but must not know about gangster stuff)

--Jerzy•t 08:03, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Good point. I've added it. Popcornduff (talk) 13:47, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2016

Fix or label the broken links in citations 38, 41, 90, 101, 105, 106, 167, 207 and many more. I was only able to find suitable replacement link for 41, 90, 146, 147: 

<ref>Enhanced Trivia Track, ch. 6, ''Pulp Fiction'' DVD (Buena Vista Home Entertainment). See also {{cite web|author=Rabin, Nathan|title=Interviews: Pam Grier|url=http://www.avclub.com/content/node/22535|publisher=A.V. Club|work=Onion|date=2003-06-25|accessdate=2007-09-20}}</ref>

to 

<ref>Enhanced Trivia Track, ch. 6, ''Pulp Fiction'' DVD (Buena Vista Home Entertainment). See also {{cite web|author=Rabin, Nathan|title=Interviews: Pam Grier|url=http://www.avclub.com/article/pam-grier-13820|publisher=A.V. Club|work=Onion|date=2003-06-25|accessdate=2016-05-30}}</ref>

<ref>{{cite web|author=Rose, Andy|title=10 Years of MovieMaker, 10 Years of Indie Film Growth|url=http://www.moviemaker.com/articles/item/10_years_of_moviemaker_10_years_of_indie_film_2952/|work=MovieMaker|date=Winter 2004|accessdate=2007-09-21}}</ref>

to 

<ref>{{cite web|author=Rose, Andy|title=10 Years of MovieMaker, 10 Years of Indie Film Growth|url=http://www.moviemaker.com/archives/moviemaking/directing/articles-directing/10-years-of-moviemaker-10-years-of-indie-film-2952/|work=MovieMaker|date=Winter 2004|accessdate=2016-05-30}}</ref>

<ref>{{cite web | publisher = American Film Institute | title = AFI's 10 Top 10 | date = 2008-06-17 | url = http://www.afi.com/10top10/gangster.html | accessdate=2008-06-18}}</ref>

to 

<ref>{{cite web | publisher = American Film Institute | title = AFI's 10 Top 10 | date = 2008-06-17 | url = http://www.afi.com/10top10/category.aspx?cat=8 | accessdate=2016-05-30}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite web |url=http://connect.afi.com/site/PageServer?pagename=micro_100landing|title=AFI's 100 Years...100 Movies—10th Anniversary Edition|publisher=American Film Institute|accessdate=2007-09-20}}</ref>

to 

<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.afi.com/100Years/movies10.aspx|title=AFI's 100 Years...100 Movies—10th Anniversary Edition|publisher=American Film Institute|accessdate=2016-05-30}}</ref>
  • For reference 106, the archived URL is the homepage of Variety.com, as is the URL
  • For reference 207, the URL is 404 and I could not find a replacement, however a navigation page for the issues is available at [1]


Please note that I am unfamiliar with Template:Cite web and may have used it incorrectly.
2602:306:3BBE:2E60:45E1:2F7F:DC27:3EAD (talk) 07:24, 30 May 2016 (UTC)



 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The first link does not appear to support the corresponding text.    B E C K Y  S A Y L E S  22:34, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


Poorly Written under "Prelude" section


The end of the paragraph closes with "before killing Brett with Vincent."  Poorly written, because it is unclear.  This could be interpreted to mean that Jules kills both Vincent and Brett. Obviously, that's not the case, but if you hadn't seen the movie, this could be a stumble.  Suggest that someone change it to "before joining Vincent in killing Jules" or something like that.  Best wishes, Bill  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.241.170.154 (talk) 04:23, 9 July 2016 (UTC) 



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"written and directed by Quentin Tarantino" should be changed to "co-written and directed by Quentin Tarantino" since Roger Avary shares a story credit. 220.247.252.237 (talk) 11:08, 5 July 2017 (UTC)



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Proper writing credits


Is the sentence "written and directed by Quentin Tarantino" correct? Shouldn't it be "co-written and directed by Quentin Tarantino"  since Roger Avary has a "story by" credit?.  I'm fairly new to editing so, correct me if I'm wrong.



Proper writing credits


should "written and directed by Quentin Tarantino" be changed to "co-written and directed by Quentin Tarantino" since Roger Avary shares a story credit? Anyone agree?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.247.252.237 (talk) 05:08, 11 July 2017 (UTC) 



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"Its plot, as in many of Tarantino's other works, is presented out of chronological order."


Should be "some", it's not that many. ---- 91.10.49.205 (talk) 13:20, 9 December 2017 (UTC)



 Done Many thanks. I can only think of two; there may be others. But it's certainly not a common motif. ----->SerialNumber54129...speculates 13:28, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Erm, are you kidding? From memory: Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill 1 and 2, Hateful Eight... besides we should say what the sources say, not our own reckoning about how common something is. Popcornduff (talk) 13:31, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

"Many" and "some" are both interpretive. The lede per MOS:LEAD should summarise the body of the article; no where in the article does it state that "many of his films are presented etc etc out of chronological order." So the lead is giving undue weight to this so-called factoid. Many thanks, ----->SerialNumber54129...speculates 13:36, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Does it say anywhere in the article that any of his other films are non-linear at all? I can't find it, on first look. (PS: a "factoid" is a commonly-reported untrue thing, not a fact.) Popcornduff (talk) 14:16, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Popcornduff.  "Many" is accurate. ------The Old JacobiteThe '45 14:39, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

It clearly should not be in the lead at all. ----->SerialNumber54129...speculates 14:42, 9 December 2017 (UTC)


Erm, are you kidding? Because you appear to think that "three" equals "many".


In other words, please avoid phrases like "are you kidding", they are not terribly constructive.


Resorvoir Dogs and Kill Bill are two, but I think Hateful Eight is largely consecutive with one flashback. That makes two. ---- 91.10.49.205 (talk) 17:01, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

You're mega-kidding, right? An entire chapter of The Hateful Eight is set before the rest of the film, and there are two Kill Bill films. That makes at least five. Tarantino's other films might use the technique too, but I don't remember. Regardless, this is pointless as it was an unsourced claim in the first place, so I'll remove it. Popcornduff (talk) 17:09, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

You must be hyper-kidding. One chapter does not make comparable to PF or KB, and three would still be far from "many". ---- 91.10.49.205 (talk) 17:30, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

I also agree "Many" is correct and not kidding at all.  - FlightTime (open channel) 17:32, 9 December 2017 (UTC)


I should be smarter than prolonging this, but I can't resist. We can put aside our disagreements about The Hateful Eight, or the definition of "many" in the context of a canon of work, but at least be honest enough to concede that there are two Kill Bill films. Popcornduff (talk) 17:37, 9 December 2017 (UTC)


Cast section


I think the cast section is entirely too long, and this can be addressed by doing two things.  First, moving the casting information, where it's sourced, to a casting subsection in the production section.  Second, remove the celebrity impersonators altogether, as these aren't really characters at all, just background players in the restaurant scene.  Why did they rate inclusion in the first place? ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 13:01, 21 March 2018 (UTC)




The only reason I might be persuaded to include the Buddy Holly waiter is that he's played by Steve Buscemi.  Otherwise, these parts are trivial. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 14:05, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Mmmm—well, I think they're all blue-linked. Who the hell was "Long Hair Yuppie-Scum" btw? (That's probably a better example than Buddy Holly!)


  • @Ducktech89: Could you plase stop reverting and join this discussin? As it happens, I agree with TheOldJacobite that such a level of detail is unencyclopaedic and can be removed. Can I also advise against edit-summaries such as "Please don't remove otherwise you will get dysentery" as they do not improve your standing on Wikipedia or the reception of your edits overall. —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap shit room 11:31, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
    • 

  • I do agree that some cast members should be neglected such as "Shot Woman" and "Long Haired Yuppie-Scum" who appear on screen for less than a minute. But for a more complete cast section, some other previously unmentioned cast members should be included. But hey, I'm still relatively new here, so any suggestions would be appreciated.User:Ducktech89  —Preceding undated comment added 11:48, 23 March 2018 (UTC)


@TheOldJacobite: did make a good suggestion, delete all celebrity impersonators, the only reason I added Dean Martin in the first place because all the other impersonators were featured so prominently. They are really only notable because of some well known actors like Steve Buscemi and Joseph Pilato were playing them.User:Ducktech89 7:54, 23 March 2018 (WAST)

Can we all agree that the celebrity impersonators can go, along with the above-named characters who don't have real names? ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 12:17, 23 March 2018 (UTC)


I just looked at the article history, and all those extra roles were added in one edit, with no discussion, just a little over a year ago.  So, removing them seems completely justified.  If someone wants them restored, it can be discussed here. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 12:22, 23 March 2018 (UTC)


  • Glad we could reach an agreement here, no minor roles in the cast section from here on out.---User:Ducktech89 8:40, 23 March 2018 (WAST)


Yes, and no-one caught dysentary... :p  —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap shit room 12:59, 23 March 2018 (UTC)


Genre discussion


The film is a black comedy by nature, as many of the characters are exaggerated, the dialogue is intentionally comedic and many of the scenes are deliberately cheesy. So the film should be classed as a "black comedy crime film". ---Ducktech89talk, 4:30, 15 April 2018, (WAST)



This has been discussed in the past.  Only the primary genre belongs in the lede.  Black comedy, and other genres, are discussed in the influence section.  That is sufficient. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 12:25, 15 April 2018 (UTC)


There's no evidence it belongs in the lede, as sources like Allmovie & AFI don't even mention it. Or else we should just add black comedy to all of Tarantino's films. Donkey Hot-day (talk) 11:42, 15 September 2020 (UTC)


Celebrity impersonators


The celebrity impersonators are not worthy of being included in the cast section as they aren't really characters, but I still think they deserve a mention in a seperate section. What section would any of you think would be most appropriate for these impersonators since they aren't notable enough to be in the cast, but since they're played by some relatively well known actors like Joe Pilato and Steve Buscemi, I still think they deserve a mention.----Ducktech89 (talk)  11:24, May 25 2018 (UTC)



Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2019




Change Rotten Tomatoes critic review count to 88 and average rating to 9.2/10. TheVideoGameGuru (talk) 00:00, 24 April 2019 (UTC)



 Already done by another editor. – Broccoli & Coffee (Oh hai) 04:14, 24 April 2019 (UTC)


Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2019




In the Summary, the last paragraph it's written: "At a diner, Jules tells Vincent that he plans to retire from his life of crime,..."
It's not at a diner but at a breakfast.

at 2:13:12 in the movie, Vincent said: - I'd go for some breakfast. Feel like havin' breakfast with me?
You can also check it in the subtitle as well (I use Aegisub a FLOSS subtitle software).
Other that are confirming the breakfast are that they killed the 3 young guys at 8:00 Am, the Wolf was called at 8:40 AM (you can see its watch at 2:02:08 on the movie and it indicate 8:40)
They have a very short time to clean the car as the wife Bonnie should be back at 9:30 AM (at 2:02:50 in the movie)

Screenshot of the movie
[[File:Screenshot at 2019-06-09 17-30-02.png|thumb]]

--Nudibranch (talk) 09:35, 9 June 2019 (UTC) Nudibranch (talk) 09:35, 9 June 2019 (UTC)



 Not done: They are having breakfast at a diner. A diner is a type of restaurant. It is not dinner, which is a meal. NiciVampireHeart 15:11, 9 June 2019 (UTC)


My bad, sorry about that, Thank you for opening my eyes. Nudibranch (talk) 11:00, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

No problem, it's an easy mistake to make. NiciVampireHeart 02:27, 14 June 2019 (UTC)


Semi-protected edit request on 4 July 2019




The name of the character "Esmarelda Villalobos" is given as "Esmeralda" which is the usual spelling of the name but not the one given in the film's credits, on imdb.com and in the film script http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/pulp_fiction.html . Notypps (talk) 21:59, 4 July 2019 (UTC)



 Done – Broccoli & Coffee (Oh hai) 23:19, 4 July 2019 (UTC)


Now it's "Esmaralda" instead of "Esmarelda". The problem was just switching the 'e' and the 'a', from esmErAlda to esmArElda.



Oops, my mistake. Fixed now. – Broccoli & Coffee (Oh hai) 01:17, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


Error in scene chronology in section "Narrative Structure"


QUOTE:


1. "Prologue – The Diner" (i)

2. Prelude to "Vincent Vega and Marsellus Wallace's Wife"

3. "Vincent Vega and Marsellus Wallace's Wife"

4. Prelude to "The Gold Watch" (a – flashback, b – present)

5. "The Gold Watch"

6. "The Bonnie Situation"

7. "Epilogue – The Diner" (ii)


If the seven sequences were ordered chronologically, they would run: 4a, 2, 6, 1, 7, 4b, 3, 5.


CORRECTION:


If the seven sequences were ordered chronologically, they would run: 4a, 2, 6, 1, 7, 3, 4b, 5.


DISCUSSION:


3 must come before 4b because after Butch escapes the boxing arena and departs in the taxi, Vincent, accompanied by Paul, walks down the corridor to the door leading into the room where the dead boxer lies. Mia opens the door, and after Vincent asks her how she is doing, she replies, "Great. I never thanked you for dinner." This occurs at 1:08:40 on the original DVD release and clearly establishes that 3 precedes 4b. As far as I know, this is the only detail that serves to establish that the boxing match occurs after Vincent's evening out with Mia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.36.235.131 (talk) 22:25, 10 December 2019 (UTC) 



kurt cobain was almost Lance?


Kurt Cobain (The lead singer of nirvana) was offered the role of Lance. he was offered in 1993 by Quentin Tarantino himself, but turned it down. The role ended up going to Eric Stoltz. Kurt ended up committing suicide in 1994  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.25.141.177 (talk) 03:24, 4 April 2020 (UTC) 



Narrative Structure


Surely chronologically 5 should be first? I've changed it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil6875 (talk • contribs) 09:01, 31 July 2020 (UTC) 

'The Gold Watch' is a flashback to when Butch was a child so it must be the earliest scene chronologically in the film, right?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil6875 (talk • contribs) 07:25, 15 August 2020 (UTC) 



Fish


Please add this as a reference [2] in the Cast section right after "Laurence Fishburne who turned it down." Fishburne explains his reasoning for turning down the role (a different reason than Tarantino gave). 

(If this article hadn't been locked I'd have added it myself. I might also have improved the reference to TheRinger.com interview with Tarantino and marked it as a video and at least included either the website or work field in the citation.)

On a separate matter the Cast section is incorrectly formatted. Please read Help:List but I'll try to summarize: by switching between * (asterisk) type list and the : (colon) type list you are in effect creating a two whole new lists for every item. The fix for this is to use <br /> to create new lines within the list template. (Captain America: The First Avenger is one of many examples I could point to.)

So please improve the article, or unlock it. -- 109.77.205.42 (talk) 04:38, 21 August 2020 (UTC)



I've updated the article with this information.




However, I also notice that the article contradicts itself. It claims that Tarantino wrote the role for Jackson, then later claims that he wrote it for Fishburne. Can someone check the source for the Jackson claim? Popcornfud (talk) 18:38, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


Clearly more sources are needed. I wouldn't put it past Tarantino to have said both things, and it also is possible that it was originally written for Fishburne but then also rewritten to better fit Jackson after he was cast. In Hollywood both lies can be true. -- 109.77.207.155 (talk) 23:26, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


"Shit negro, that's all you had to say" listed at Redirects for discussion



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Béatrice Dalle


Hey fellas! I have read this article which states that Béatrice Dalle was originally going to be cast as Fabienne in the film before Maria de Medeiros got the part (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jun/06/betty-blue-beatrice-dalle-i-love-christ-because-he-invented-bondage). ---- 2001:1388:111:6E59:11E9:D40B:64EE:1916 (talk) 17:21, 1 July 2021 (UTC)



Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2021




Noticed two mistakes in quotes of the Ezekial 25:17 both the cite from the film and it's source the film The Bodyguard.  

First instance: "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities..."
Should be: "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities..."

This is backed up by both listening and referring to the film script. 

http://avary.com/content/PulpFictionScreenplay.pdf

Second instance: The path of the righteous man and defender is beset on all sides by the iniquity..."
Should be: "The path of the righteous man and defender is beset on all sides by the inequities..." 

This is backed up by the scrolling text in the film The Bodyguard shown in this video clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LYT4JC2dd4 Russ McClay (talk) 03:34, 11 July 2021 (UTC)





 Done ––FORMALDUDE(talk) 03:53, 12 July 2021 (UTC)


Bruce Willis performance


Hi,

Considering the number of reviews like Bruce willis performance I was wondering if he could be put along with Jackson, Thurman and Travolta. 193.114.122.175 (talk) 05:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC)



Can you be a bit more specific?  Where are you referring to?  He's already listed in the lede, infobox, and Cast section.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 06:35, 10 June 2022 (UTC)


I meant the part where it says the cast was also widely praised, with Travolta Jackson and Thurman receiving particular praise. Considering he was also mentioned in miraheze and is one of the reason why pulp fiction succeeded, I feel like he deserves to be mentioned alongside Travolta, Jackson and Thurman.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.114.122.175 (talk) 21:27, 10 June 2022 (UTC) 



The summary is neither in the film order nor chronological order


It should probably be one or the other. Immigrant laborer (talk) 20:31, 14 March 2023 (UTC)









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